• Florida bill would require ex-felons to pay court fees before being able to vote
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https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/2019/03/19/house-committee-passes-amendment-4-bill-along-party-lines/ A Florida House committee approved a bill addressing the rollout of Amendment 4 despite concerns that it would limit the number of former felons who could have their voting rights restored. Voting along party lines, Republicans advanced the measure, which would require felons pay back all court fees and costs before being eligible to vote, even if those costs are not handed down by a judge as part of the person’s sentence. That standard goes beyond the old system, which only required someone pay back restitution to a victim before applying to have their civil rights restored. “It’s blatantly unconstitutional as a poll tax,” said Rep. Adam Hattersley, D-Riverview. Committee chair Jamie Grant, R-Tampa, said he took the language explicitly at its word, and he pointed to testimony Amendment 4 lawyers gave to the Supreme Court. “To suggest that this is a poll tax inherently diminishes the atrocity of what a poll tax actually was,” Grant said. “All we’re doing is following statute. All we’re doing is following the testimony of what was presented before the Florida Supreme Court explicitly acknowledging that fines and court costs are part of a sentence.”
How transparent can you be about suppressing the black vote? I kinda thought they tried harder than this to hide it.
"Oh no problem, just let use the money I don't have from the job I can't get because of the felony label I can't remove."
Maybe don't commit felonies
The Republicans are fucked in Florida if they can't get this through, both the Senate and Gov votes were incredibly close, re-franchising over a million people (who aren't big GOP fans) will fundamentally alter the state.
If felons could vote Gore would have won.
Since when is it okay to strip your rights near indefinitely just because you did a crime?
Non-violent recreational drug offenses are often felonies and the arrest rates for these offenses are very strongly weighted towards racial minorities racial minorities also get arrested and charged for shit they didn't even do all the fuckin time "don't commit felonies" is a really stupid way to approach this so don't
Just don't sell drugs, it's not that complicated. If someone is found to be innocent later then by all means restore their rights I really don't think civil society needs to accommodate rapists and murderers and the like
People get felonies for a gram of medical marijuana in their car, dude. Not even sale. The vast majority of felonies aren't intent to distribute, they're simple possession.
Yeah sure let's remove basic rights of citizens for owning some tiny bit of weed. Makes total sense to enforce such an extreme punishment for a victimless crime.
I think you need to take a step back before you delve into that can of worms dude. The goal of a law and crime system should be reintegration into society after a sentence is served. This runs counter to that because youre basically telling them they arent part of society anymore.
Since bout' forever. You also lose a variety of other rights from felonies, including but not limited too: Owning of Weapons, Right to No Unjust Punishment[you really think the government is gonna give a flying fuck if your an ex-con?], rights to visitation with children, being possibly entraped via the parole system, losing social standing to the point of no return. The list goes on and on. You break the social contract, society will throw you into a ditch and piss on you.
Unless you have lots of money, that is.
That doesn't make it okay.
I don't think he's saying that it's okay. Sounds like he's pretty critical of it.
Well aware of that. Trust me, I have seen people off themselves after leaving prison from minor offenses, because the alternative of trying to live is like walking through barbed wire and used needles.
July 4th, 1776
Yes i obviously didn't know that your rights are stripped if you break the law. I obviously mean why is it okay now when the point of jail is rehabilitation and not draconian punishment.
Because American society has always treated prisons as a place to dump its undesirables and forget they ever existed just to avoid addressing deep rooted problems at all costs. “Out of sight, out of mind” so to speak. Have you ever looked at our prison system? I don’t think things should this way either but you’re being way too naive here. Rehabilitation is quite possibly the absolute last thing on the list of what our prison systems are currently designed for.
Look at the big brain on this guy. “Just don’t commit crimes lol.” They should hire you at the DOJ.
The 11th circuit might kill this, they already blasted Rick Scott for similar antics
pretty sure this originally EXCLUDED rapists/murderers anyway. but now i see even thats being flipflopped on because there were no 'specifications' on the bill. this was originally a petitioned amendment too, so you know damn good and well they KNEW it was for restoring the rights of those who are victims of unjust sentences, people were ALL for that. but of course that would give the people too much power, soooo...
this is tyranny. the state took their rights, the state made sure to set up a court system that would not give them their rights back in a timely manner, and the people chose to force the state to restore those rights. I have absolutely no fucking idea why this is so hard other than partisan politics, if the democrats had won florida this would have been a simple straight forward system of taking the rolls of people who have served their sentences and removing them from the list of people who can't vote.
This argument justifies any and all actions as a result of the thing you "maybe don't do" In short, this argument is garbage and proves nothing ever, whatsoever. "I don't think people who steal for necessity should be tortured to death" "Maybe don't steal lmao gottem"
I hope the payment part is struck down and the people are left with just restored rights.
florida's law extended to everything down to shoplifting.
Because all felons are just drug dealers, rapists, and murderers lmao fuckin nice 👏👏
So, rights are all good and nice until the "undesirables" have them?
In what state is possession a gram of medical marijuana for personal use a felony, rather than a misdemeanor?
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