Hack, er, Zack Snyder explains the "Martha" scene in Batman vs. Superman
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https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-batman-v-superman-martha-scene-explained/
During the Batman v Superman panel at the Zack: Snyder: The Director's Cuts event at ArtCenter College of Design in Pasadena over the weekend (via SR's Stephen Colbert ), the director went in-depth into how he and screenwriter Chris Terrio came up with the Martha sequence. As it turns out, it was Terrio who pointed out that Batman's and Superman's mothers have the same names, and from there they developed it into what viewers saw in theaters. Snyder also joked “maybe Martha [Wayne] didn’t die, and that she got put into Witness Protection in Kansas.”
“It’s funny, because we, [screenwriter] Chris Terrio and I, we did reach that point in the movie, in our discussions... we knew how to get them to fight, right? But how do you get them to stop fighting? That’s a tough one. And we sort of were just throwing down on their humanity and Batman realizes Superman has humanity, he’s not just a creature, he’s a man — he’s an alien, but he is as human as, in a lot of ways, he’s more human than him, right? He’s sort of embraced all the good parts of the human race, and so Batman’s able to sort of see, in a lot of ways, a thing that he is not. And I think that that was how we started to talk about it... Then we started to talk about how it could work, and if it was Lois (Amy Adams) that said it, maybe it’s better, it’s that kind of thing. Look, it’s a mythological construct, I have no problem with that part of it.”
While i can see where they were going with the idea, the execution was terrible.
It doesn't matter how good the idea was. The execution was so buttfuckingly stupid and so INCREDIBLY poorly done that it turned it into a joke instead.
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME??!! UGGHGHH ;O;
you know this scene would have been fine if batman yknow
didnt kill people
and was about to break has moral code and the name martha reminded him of that code in the first place
So, wait, Superman embezzles money in the Snyderverse too?
You know, I went in to the theater excited for BvS and I walked the most frustrated I have ever been with a movie.
It was so bad I had a group of friends watch it as a movie night and even they couldn't believe how absolute terrible it was.
BvS is one of the most disastrous movies I have ever seen
It's easily the biggest cinematic disappointment I've had this past decade. How could you fuck up one of the coolest concepts for a superhero movie, fucking Batman vs Superman???
I liked Luthor in that movie, he was a pretty funny guy.
See I know that Batman's lens is supposed to be reminiscent of Dark Knight Returns (it's actually why I personally didn't hate the movie) but even with Frank Miller writing him, Batman didn't outright kill goons. Yeah, he killed the Joker* but that's a far stretch from loading his batmobile up with live ammunition - which he did in DKR too, except he made it clear both to himself and the audience that he was using less-than-lethal ammo. Plus there's the whole thing about Batman being a pissed off old man too that really sells it.
Fucks sake, you could have used the "Rubber bullets - honest" line in the fucking movie and you didn't YOU DIDNT WHAT THE HELL
*It's actually up for interpretation - he either killed the Joker or the Joker killed himself
Never quite got the big grievance with this, the movie had much more staggering problems. The basic gist is that because of the confusion generated by coincidental same names of their mothers, batman is forced to stop and think and empathize about superman's family, before ending him rightly with his krypton spear.
I don't really think the scene was too dumb... maybe just "strange." It was an awkward dialogue choice, but I think this scene really pales in comparison to a lot of the nonsensical plot-holes, and awful and confusing editing in the film.
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