New Mexico officially replaces Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day - Polidicks

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/437176-new-mexico-officially-replaces-columbus-day-with-indigenous-peoples-day New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) on Tuesday signed legislation into law that abolishes Columbus Day and replaces the national holiday with Indigenous Peoples Day.

Sounds good.

I'm sure some people will somehow take offense at the replacement of a holiday that was celebrating a literal mass murderer.

i cant believe they're erasing history like this already my brain begins to forget colobamba, or whatever his name was

i think it was kawabunga

i want bazinga day back

It's worse than we ever thought! Since we no longer remember Cahouna, his achievements are also slipping out of memory! I can't even remember the ocean-way to India, and some cunt claimed the earth was round the other day, what a fuckwit!

People actually knew the Earth was round back then, and Erastosthene had calculated its circumference to a relative precision millennia before. What Columbus actually (and mistakenly) believed was that Earth's circumference was much smaller than predicted and than it is in reality, and that thus going straight for India across the ocean was possible. If there were no American continent, they would've all died at sea without even reaching their destination. Columbus owes his fame to sheer luck, not wits.

See what I mean? You guys are seeing this, right? Fuckin' globeheads are taking over after Christine Caluha got forgotten!

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Its not as if Amerindians were wholly peaceful throughout the Americas. The Aztecs embraced human sacrifice on an industrial scale, there were cannibals in the Caribbean, Plains Amerindians participated in full genocide of tribes they hated. Humans civilizations sucked across the whole globe back then.

"Oh, get over yourself! If it wasn't for him, you wouldn't be here right now. It was hundreds of years ago, get over it. Leave the country, then, if it bothers you so much!" Like I can hear the arguments already, people clinging to literally whatever reason they can to avoid having to do some rethinking.

we should have both be federal holidays

Columbus doesn't deserve a federal holiday.

i don't care about him i just want more days off

Get rid of Columbus day and make election day a holiday.

I assume his argument is that we shouldn't be celebrating either

Not to be a Devil's Advocate, but I wouldn't downplay it to "occasionally happened." Some non-European cultures genuinely had some atrocious acts as part of their civilization. See: Sati, in India. When a man died and was burned in a funeral pyre, his widow must join him.

This is not "Montezuma Day" or "Pachacuti Inca Yupanqui" day, it's a celebration of many different cultures who have been historically oppressed and have had genocide attempted on them up until at least the 1970s. Not everyone was a fucking monster in said tribes, but Columbus was. He's not like a lot of figures where you can go "weeeeell he was kinda racist but it was a different time and he did so much", the dude was a blood psychopath who nearly wiped out the Arawak by enslaving them or burning them at the stake, cut off ears to inspire fear, and allowed the selling of children as sex slaves. Not to mention the fact that he wasn't particularly nice to his spanish citizens either once he became governor, whippings were common and one person had their tongue cut out for speaking ill of him. He was a brutal bastard even for the time. He was not brilliant, he was lucky (as discussed above) and the only reason we remember him today is because he fucked up into a major discovery.

By that line of thought, an "Explorer's Day" would be more appropriate then.

It's a very token gesture to acknowledge native peoples after our civilization kinda sorta (definitely) wiped out most of them, what's so bad about that that is needs so much pushback? Yes it's not the same but so what? It's one holiday to replace another.

Are you genuinely advocating for holidays that celebrate imperialism

First post I replied to implied that Columbus Day ought to be changed because he was violent, savage man. I pointed out that many indigenous peoples of the Americas were not very peaceful as well. You point out that it's different as this isn't celebrating any one culture. But if the worry is about an individual man being celebrated, why not expand it to all explorers then?

In general; outside of some innocent civilizations that were are lesser without because of how peaceful they were: See the first Native people's to meet Columbus getting fucking wiped out. Civilizations have had their own issues; European Culture is no more evil nor good than others. Its just that Europe reached industrial power to colonize first.

My second point is why should we? People want to celebrate something else which is important. What constrains us to celebrating something that's the same? Nothing. People want to tell the ideal of christopher columbus to fuck off (due to the aforementioned monstrosity) and want to replace it with something else because frankly we kept fucking with indigenous people for centuries.

I guess my point is, why does an Indigenous People's Day have to replace Columbus Day when it could given its own day entirely?

Why the fuck do we need a Columbus day or "Explorer's day" in the first place?

Because Christopher Columbus is a symbol of genocide against native peoples. His holiday needed to go, people also thought it might be good to then replace it with something that acknowledges or celebrates native peoples to counteract the previous holiday. It's a symbolic thumbing of the nose to colonialism, genocide and whitewashing of history that pervades the general consciousness. Theres no reason that it "has" to be on that day, but people decided it should be on that day because to them it felt thematically appropriate. Alternatively Columbus needed his holiday fucking gone (cuz the systematic murder) and this was just as good as any other holiday to replace it. Do you even celebrate Christopher Columbus day? Does anyone? Why does this matter so much to people? I've never even gotten it as a school holiday!

Do you genuinely believe that imperialism is worth celebrating?

Just wow, that I was going to write if your first post on this thread, that was okay but flawed whataboutism. But since you admitted since that was very deliberated one, I now give me the impression you obliviously and lazily defending to keep a Holiday that should better stay as a cultural than continental one.