Mormon church drops anti-LGBT policy from 2015, saying children of same-sex... - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/04/us/mormon-lgbt-policy/index.html The Mormon church will no longer consider same-sex couples "apostates" and will allow their children to be baptized into the church without special approval from church leaders, the church said in a surprise announcement Thursday. Please one group, while “alienating” the potential Mormon schismatics anyway...

Time to watch my Facebook feed from home.

I think this may actually be the Mormon Church taking matters into their own hands after the state failed to pass a bill banning LGBT conversion therapy on minors a month ago. https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2019/03/06/push-ban-lgbt-conversion-therapy-stalls-out-utah/3087319002/ And that bill may in fact come back. from the dead https://fox13now.com/2019/04/03/bill-banning-conversion-therapy-on-lgbtq-children-may-be-revived-and-run-in-a-special-session/ As Fox 13 Now points out, the bill contained a religious exemption -- but here we see the Mormon Church throwing out its anti-LGBT policy and welcoming queers into the fold, so unless this is some kind of ruse cruise or PR lip service I guess they're not going to be encouraging use of that exemption? More(mon) of this, please. Love and harmony, not division and spite. This is how you heal a community and a people.

Mormons always were the weird cousin of the Christian church, but I'm still happy for them. My only concern about this is that they don't go the way of the current Catholic church and drop many of the principals that they are founded on. (whatever those may be I mean - I'm more caught up with the Catholic church and I'm not even catholic, I have no clue what the principals holding up Mormonism even are)

This is nice to hear, but coming from the Mormon church makes it hard for me to enjoy the news. From what I've read and the people I've mingled with, Mormonism is a stones-throw away from Scientology in terms of similar tactics and cult-like structure. I mean, it's good news. It's worth celebrating. It just doesn't really improve or change my outlook of the church.

As someone outside the loop on religion since I'm an apatheist, what exactly has the Catholic Church done to drop the principals their founded on?

I hate to be rude but you have the breadth and width of human knowledge contained in a small device the size of the sole of your shoe in your possession. Use it. That said I'll spare you the effort but please google something before making an opinion of it: Like many churches in the U.S., the Mormon church's doctrine was molded by the times and comes with all the baggage of being a 190 year old institution. Personally I'd like to think that anyone claiming to be hearing words from God is a bit off in the head but many people bought into it and Followed Joseph Smith into a godforsaken desert. Like Islam's Muhammad, and Christianity's Christ Mormonism is a schism of Christianity (technically Christianity is a schism from Zoroastrianism but that's another post entirely) that rather than believing in one prophet of their doctrine, they believe the head of the Mormon church is a prophet whoever it might be and they're very careful to not criticize their sermons which is... fairly awkward for the black and Hispanic members of the Mormon community. Now because the Mormon church & community was founded by distinctly not historians, theologians, or really anyone all that educated they believe in some downright wonky theories such as when the Israelites left Jerusalem around 600 BC they traveled to North America after a calling from God. They set up civilizations, and centuries later witnessed an appearance by Jesus Christ after his crucifixion and resurrection. [source] Meanwhile though it has a kiddy diddling problem the Catholic church continues to be one of the most scientifically accepting, open minded and generous of the abrahamic schisms in recent memory.

Well, also mainly from Protestantism and its intended Restorationism religious movement as well, with weirdly but nobly couple proto-UFO religious elements (Is that they thought and maybe still, God was a alien human who live in a made up plant name Kolob as historically example, before abandoning it to be more Christian since the late 1960s or something like that). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

Magic Mormon underwear Holy shit

Pope Francis come off as a grandpa trying to be hip with the kids. Mass attendance is actually going down. The Catholic church is not in a good place right now, which is terrible because it means that any traditionalist teachings and the merits within are falling on deaf ears. Pretty sure the same things happening to protestants, too, and as such it's fair to assume that it's also happening to Mormonism. I'll go into more detail why an areligious society is actually a bad thing later although I'd like to point out that this is coming from an agnostic. A pro-religion agnostic, but an agnostic nonetheless.

The children of same-sex parents can be baptized, but what of the parents themselves?

Religions persecuting people for generations, then "changing their minds" about it later by "re-interpreting scripture" is the biggest having your cake and eating it too bullshit. I'm all about the inclusion, and it makes me feel good that - as a whole - we are kind of continuing forward progressively to a world that will accept people like me unequivocally. I just wish that it wasn't for the wrong reasons. This screams of religious denominations attempting to remain culturally relevant, modern, and inviting to new members rather than a true and honest growth. They did the same thing with people of color (https://religionnews.com/2018/06/11/40-years-later-most-mormons-still-believe-the-racist-priesthood-temple-ban-was-gods-will/) Though I think I'm really biased, having grown up a gay man in several conservative churches; Catholic, Lutheran, and Presbyterian. I would never want to ask for retribution in blood, but I would much rather modern culture eventually completely reject these churches for what they are than have them slowly homogenize into the future.

A someone who grew up in the church; it all ways makes me laugh to see someone finding out about the magic bullet proof underwear. Boy if you think thats weird then wait until you find out about "baptism for the dead" and "what ever the fuck we do in the temples".

Maybe all the sexual abuses have something to do with mass attendance

Or a pope who believes such nonsense like how atheists can go to heaven too, or, my favorite, talking about the wealthy need to pair their fair share while the catholic church is one of the wealthiest organizations on earth He's a fucking nutter, and comes across as my grandpa trying to be hip.

or, alternatively, he's a poor person now in charge of one of the largest accruements of wealth in the world and sees the inherit idiocy of that? For someone who's whining about the church losing it's way, you've already openly admitted your ignorance in what it's changed. Sticking to traditionalist values for the sake of doing so doens't hold any inherit value.

"Rich person whines about how the other rich people need to give up their wealth" - but not him though, I mean he can spare some of it to charity but all the tacky adornments? Those are staying. I really don't know what else to say about that. There's other stuff he's suggested but I know people like yourself would end up agreeing with these breaks in norms because like, traditions are old and should be mutilated to support the modern era. And to a small extent I agree as I find some of their norms a bit odd, things like their Mary worship, yet when you abandon tradition you embrace pure agnosticism. Good, right? No. Because now you have a bunch of hipster youths trying to find purpose and they do so in weird ways. The one that should be relevant to you is the alt-right. "Oh but the alt right love Christianity - " Now imma let you finish but no, their big talking point is the white race, and a large bulk of Catholics are Hispanic. If you know your history, then you'd know that Catholics and protestants don't always get along, and when white supremacy comes to the front then you can imagine the white-sups hating the Catholics, who they think are dirty.

their lyric swapped scifi hymns are pretty dope though. knew a lot of (now ex) mormons and many of them say the good part of going through it was the stellar music the LDS puts out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMlbwYVb8kk

He doesn't have any adornments. Good job being uninformed. No where did I say anything resembling this. You are, once again, being dishonest. Tradition, for the sake of tradition has no value. Traditions with a purpose, can have value. You don't read the things I say, and then you invent an argument to flail against. Why? In what world does this false dichotomy ring true to you, or to anyone? How does abandoning Tradition in any way, shape, or form mean "Embracing pure agnosticism"? And what is the problem with people trying to "find their value"? I don't want to dictate to anyone what their value is, I want them to figure it out. Again, you just can't resist inventing bullshit whole cloth, can you? In your rush to assume what positions I hold on a given topic you know nothing about, all you've done is made yourself look like an assumptive ass. I didn't bring them up, because to me, they're not relevant in this discussion. Most of the people who claim to be christian, you should have a bigger problem with than the Pope, as they are fundamentally wrong about the teachings that are in the book. I don't even know where to begin with this. So I won't. Because it's irrelevant nonsense.

what exactly is terrible about this

I just explained it, but here , yet when you abandon tradition you embrace pure agnosticism. Good, right? No. Because now you have a bunch of hipster youths trying to find purpose and they do so in weird ways. The one that should be relevant to you is the alt-right. Doesn't matter what the religion is, Buddhism and Shintoism tend to work really well in the east, but you certainly need something as a grounding box. It's funny - while CS Lewis was writing primarily about the upcoming wave of Nazism in Germany, he also eerily predicted the Alt-Right decades later in his book The Abolition of Man.

God you're like pseudo intellectual 101 every post lol You said your statement. You did not back it up. You did not give examples, reasoning, or logical states which would lead one to agree with your position. You simply stated it, and left it at that. Many societies have rejected pointless traditions, and flourished. Ours is an example of that, unless you think that the suffragate movement as well as all the other liberalizing and equalizing forces that have demanded to have some traditions stripped away for how they harm others, are bad? No one is suggesting for the whole sale destruction of all religions. And you haven't or can't, define how a change in tradition weakens the society around it. Again, a statement does not a convincing argument make.

But modern liberalized versions of eastern religions has become absurdly popular and a fantastic way to find a sense of direction. Without modern day interpretations that strip away a lot of the traditional ceremony, many of us have found spiritual confidence through meditation and self awareness

He's biohazard99. Come to your own conclusions.

The fuck is this post. Reject tradition --> Agnosticism --> Trying to find purpose --> Becoming alt-right. I'm amazed at how well you've managed to confuse me, because this makes absolutely no sense. You talk like a grandpa that doesn't understand the current generation; as someone that would categorised in the newest generation, I know of zero 'hipster youths trying to find purpose'. It sounds like you met one pretentious kid in Walmart and have based your entire opinion off this one encounter. Throwing words like 'eerily' into your cesspit of a post doesn't make it any less of a cesspit. You have no idea what you're talking about either way, but at least find sources that support your claim that rejection of traditionalism could lead to the rise of the alt-right. I personally reject tradition because the past is called that for a reason; that's where it belongs. I do not believe religion is necessary anymore in the modern world; believe in it if you want, but, at least in England, the Church once served the purpose of providing teachings about the value of community, loyalty etc. (and, side note, was being exploited as early as as the 1500's to encourage strict loyalty to the crown). I do not believe this is necessary any more because state schools can do that. If you're really insistent about teachings of religion still being prominent in society, you can teach about it in Religious Studies. But at the end of the day, regardless of your stance on religion itself, I think most of us could agree that your paper-thin argument connecting rejection of tradition to alt-right is borderline shitposting.

The hipster youths trying to find purpose is understandable tbh, I'd consider myself one many trying to find some sort of 'enlightenment' or way, and that can easily lend itself to people who grew up on the web associating with the new wave of right leaning thinkers. That being said his entire argument is bullshit and has no basis in the reality of why people are moving to that mindset. It has nothing to do with the erosion of tradition and everything to do with echo chamber based discourse imo

Wolf in sheep's clothing Moron with a fresh coat of paint

The alt-right has four major religious demographics: Catholics, Protestants, Atheists (I'm using this as a catch-all for irreligious people here), and Neopagans. The first three groups have a disproportionately strong hatred of Islam and favor for Christianity in general. You might not expect this from the Atheists, but as much as they love to talk about how Islam is responsible for so many terrible things, when people do the same terrible things in the name of some other religion (especially Christianity) they only pay attention if it affects them, and even then they usually don't condemn the whole religion. What this tells me is that although these alt-right Atheists don't worship god or go to any church, most of them have always believed in Christian morals and are generally willing to trust Christians more than Muslims and perhaps Jews. In a sense they never fully abandoned religion, even if they think they did.

We don't worship Mary. We give her adoration as the mother of God incarnate. For someone "caught up with the Catholic Church even though I'm not Catholic", you sure are ignorant on Catholicism.

Nevermind the church, how will this affect the musical? Because I'm pretty sure the previous rule was an integral part of the piece