Shocking news: Establishment Dems are also afraid of Bernie and want to stop him - Polidicks

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app The article is long, but here's the important bit: The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores rom the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California; Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden. The only legitimately surprising thing is that, sadly, Buttigieg is involved. his news story is going to seriously harm his chances going forward. It certainly has made me look at him in a completely different light.

Yep, Bernie and Liz are the only good ones in this race.

The Oprah lady seems like she has her heart in the right place. She's hardly advocating for reparations for slavery because she's beholden to corporate interests. But she doesn't have a chance in hell. And Yang's version of basic minimum income has been accused of being designed specifically around preserving the existing capitalist status quo - and he also doesn't have a chance in hell. So yeah, it's basically just Bernie and Liz. And Bernie is honestly the only one I trust to win it for sure. With the way Liz handled the minor controversy around her Native American heritage, I fear she doesn't have what it takes to destroy Trump in the debates. I'll still be happy to vote for her, though.

These corporate shills would rather have 4 more years of Trump than 4 years of Bernie and they’re not even hiding it.

I will not be unsurprised, if they still pulled this again. This give more reasons to stay on voting third party (Mostly Green with maybe Libertarian) or Independent (in the future, if my current party qualification is expired), as they keep thinking is this a "good idea", despite screw the America's future like this over still wouldn't allow outsiders to win.

You spineless fucks. You absolute fucking slime. This is why we're in the shitshow we're in right now. I know you don't care because you're corporate fuck buddies aren't affected but the people you're supposed to care about are at each other's throats and no one is happy. Fuck you, fuck this, and fuck off.

Of course they would. Four more years of Trump is four more years that they can milk for all their political worth without having to actually change the status quo. The "ebb and flow" of american politics is just an illusion of choice. One party is less morally reprehensible than the other, but they're both ultimately in it only for themselves and their corporate donors. The only real difference is their political strategy: the Republicans court racists and fundamentalists, while the Dems throw a few bones to minorities and poor people while railing about how evil Republicans are. That's why Republican voter turnout is always consistent, and why Democratic voter turnout waxes and wanes depending on how awful the latest Republican administration is, and whether the bones the candidates threw at them were effective enough. In Hilary's case, it was so blatantly obvious that she didn't give a shit about her voting base, that it was no wonder people weren't enthused to vote for her.

considering the amount of liberals i see online who fly into a frothing rage whenever bernie's name is mentioned this will probably help buttigieg's campaign if anything

Corporate democrats don't really mind trump. Someone like Bernie could potentially put an end on how these piece of shits make their money. I really hope Bernie makes it through and gets the nomination.

Anyone working on a new 'You done FUCKED IT UP' AngryJoe compilation for 2020? 'Cause we might just need it.

Most neoliberal democrats aren't taking bribes or kickbacks, they actually believe the free market and corporations getting bigger helps poor people. They think they are fucking genius technocrats playing 4D-politics when the whole foundation of neoliberal economics is based on fucking bullshit and no evidence that the 20th century trade agreements and other free market policies have helped any poor people in America.

The new deal and great society programs kinda disagree, and they're literally the entire reason the Democrat party stopped being the party of wealthy conservatives. Democrat neoliberalism is what brought about the US's golden age in the 20th century, and it's only over the past 50 years or so that neoconservative republicans have dismantled that (I do not think it is possible to overstate the amount of damage Barry Goldwater did to this country). Whether or not you like what neoliberal democrats are doing and saying about progressive democrats is one thing, but they have a very clear reason for their own beliefs: they tried it, and it worked.

Neoliberalism policies as in outsourcing to slave labor countries (to support free market ideologies), invading countries to force them to become free market countries, NAFTA, and any other trade agreement where we scarified jobs for slightly cheaper products and huge profit margins have not worked for anyone not upper class and is in part why we have Trump and the worst wealth inequality in history. Runaway corporate greed and power is the end-game of a completely free market. What neoliberal policies of deregulation and unrestrained global market have helped the poor?

The article literally describes their motivations and it's the opposite of this The reason that they're afraid of Bernie is that they think his brand of socialism will turn off moderates and risk a third party spoiler candidate resulting in 4 more years of trump I'm a Bernie 2016 / 2020 supporter, and I don't think their concerns are unfounded considering a billionaire literally threatened to do that. I think y'all are reading more agression and bad faith into this than there actually is, if you read the full article. They're in a bind because they know that any efforts they make against Sanders will just fuel him (and his supporters). Which, hey. Maybe that's the path to Bernie 2020. Let them take their actions against him, give Bernie the ammo to say "yeah the DNC doesn't like me" and boom you've got another trumpian anti establishment vibe going which might make some voters more likely to vote Bernie.

Then they’re either incredibly stupid or disingenuous. Bernie won the independent vote in 2016. These “moderates” the Dems constantly concern troll over are not a significant voting bloc. Just because Schultz is a narcissistic prick who’s threatening to blackmail the entire country doesn’t make Sanders the bad guy. This closed door scheming by party elites should remove any doubts that the “unity” crying is just gaslighting.

It's interesting that the article states his disapproval ratings are higher than they were in 2016, but I think that's probably just because of the right-wing (and Democrat) machine who have been attacking him for years. I imagine his disapproval will decrease when the primary debates start.

I get it's their strategy, but Democrats have spent too long trying to appeal to everyone. Bernie absolutely crushed it on Fox News of all places, he can win not just moderates, but the opposition itself. Democrats realize this and are pissing themselves over the possibility of not having a status-quo diet Obama as president, and are willing to give it to Trump again. There's no way they don't realize this. I genuinely think 2016 was arrogance, but 2020 will be malice. There's already a ridiculous amount of anti Bernie propaganda in the news.

I don't disagree that closed door conversations don't look good, but what would you say were these conversations fully played out in public? because then it's a public decrying of sanders. which directly contradicts the unity angle. can anyone have this conversation? or is just talking about this forbidden?

So some no-name rich dickweed threatens to run if the DNC elects a progressive, proceeds to poll abysmally in a manner that basically makes him irrelevant as a spoiler candidate, and establishment democrats scramble to give him what he wants. Yet Bernie could easily guarantee a democratic loss in 2020 if he's not picked by simply running, but they don't seem concerned about that at all. They're confident in Sanders not being a selfish asshole so they'd rather satisfy this billionaire cunt? This is just an excuse, they simply don't want their hegemony threatened. They couldn't give two fucks about Schultz.

If you want to use the academic definition then sure, but the problem is none of the so-called "establishment" democrats actually adhere to the academic definition of neoliberalism at all. Their primary philosophy is called "modern liberalism" (boy these terms get annoyingly similar) which holds to the Keynesian economic principles that the only way to ensure a competitive market is through proper regulation, as an unregulated market will naturally trend away from competition due to greed. But by ensuring that the market remains competitive through regulations against trusts, deceptive marketing, monopolies and cartels; limiting class disparity through progressive taxation and social welfare; and organizing monetary policy and banking regulation around long term stability, an economy can maintain the benefits of market competition while mitigating the drawbacks of social inequality and the boom/bust cycle. As I said before, this has been the Democrat agenda since the early 1930s and it worked remarkably well prior to its, again relatively recent and still within living memory, dismantling at the hands of neoconservatives. A return to Keynesianism was a part of the platform that got president Obama elected against the alternative continuation of the almost 30 year trend of trickle down.

Ok, so we can either have a progressive new Dem pres, or Trump’s second term. Your pick, you established, corporate hacks.

I think they're less worried about Schultz given his abysmal polling, as you've pointed out; but I think the concern, even if misplaced, is probably genuine. don't get me wrong - I'm sure there's monied interests in this whole thing as well. But I think that throwing a scarlet letter on people just for having this conversation is dangerous. But no democrats should be doing that to any other democrats (or, frankly, republicans - which they do at their own peril). Some have already started throwing out anti-bernie rhetoric that's disingenuous to say the least (the whole "bernie's a millionaire now!!" angle is fucking stupid), but I don't think conversations about whether there's a risk of a third party spoiler a la Ralph Nader in 2000 is all that absurd.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-fundraising/ gonna leave this here, Trump's 'impressive' haul of 30M$ is only 10M$ ahead of sanders and 1/4th of the entire democratic haul so far with Sanders and Warren accounting for about 1/3rd of all the money raised. If progressives are a fringe the numbers don't show it.

Schultz is the only person so far who has threatened to run as a spoiler if a progressive wins the DNC. The only other candidates who might run and spoil the general by siphoning moderates are the establishment democrat candidates that are already running in the primary. So... The very persons who attend this private meeting? If the point really was to avoid spoiler candidates and another Trump victory in 2020, then why would the focus be on making Bernie lose? Wouldn't it make more sense to have Bernie attend those meetings, so that they can discuss strategy in case he wins the primary, and share pointers so as to know how to retain either progressive or moderate democrats depending on the primary result? No matter how you stretch it, this doesn't look like it's being done in good faith at all. They're genuinely concerned alright, but only about the threat that the progressive wave represents to the status quo of the party.

Hey Democrats just a reminder that your flat soda policies are what led to the 2008 crash, Trump, and the rise of Progressivness that you are not trying desperately to stomp out in a manner that makes you little better than the GOP and their voter suppression and gerrymandering. How about we stop pretending that nothing has changed since the 1980s and start doing something about all the problems left to fester for the past 4 decades because the solutions might be inconvenient for the free market.

If Democrats are afraid Bernie might lose then maybe they should actually help him and his campaign instead of trying to knife him behind closed doors. You know, unity.

Wow that's totally not cool anyways guys thats all the time weve got for today remember lik coment subscribe

Gee, and y'all called me a fucking idiot for hating this hag. Now you see why. She's a stooge and a bootlicker, nothing more. She would rather dripfeed people solutions in a torrent of suffering than enact any sort of useful change.

Because Corporation money would rather have Republicans win over Bernie so their profits can continue to flourish.

Well, despite what Cuba and Vietnam did to their reputations, Kennedy and Linden Johnson were quite progressive. Good men tainted by the wars that they were handed. Since then, I don't think anybody particularly stands out as progressive.