Still amazed that some people here on FP genuinely believe(d) that Pewdiepie is a white supremacist.
well there is good reasons to believe he is
First, I've never heard a good reason and I've read plenty of far-fetched ones.
Second, "there IS"? Not even "was"?
I've not seen anybody claim he's an out and out white supremacist. The arguments put forward are usually based around the alt-right Youtube pipeline. Which Pewdiepie did manage to get smushed into against his own desires. A lot of gaming channels could fall into this trap due to how the algorithm works out the relevant videos. The overlap of the alt-right and video game obsessives is somewhat annoying. A lot of gaming communities happen to home a lot of alt-right shitheads, the Chans, anyone who fell for Milo Yiannopoulos' bullshit and got pulled in to reading Brietbart, etc.
Pewds then having the whole drama with the bridge and the Fiverr videos just cemented the idea that he's "one of us" amongst fucking idiots. His whole history of edgy "humour" in his much earlier videos didn't help with that image either, and it took him a while to tell them to fuck right off.
There was a guy who claimed that Pewdiepie had given a shout-out to Ben Shapiro in a video and that was proof he was a white supremacist, but if I remember correctly all he had done was mention his name because he was in a meme video. There were many others like these, and quite a few many people who also saw the "nigger" thing and the "kill all jews" thing as actual proof.
He's not necessarily a white supremacist, but he does a shit job of not seeming like one when considering his position. One can't have a podium and act like they actually don't have a podium. That's how it comes off in how he uses his position. He could easily use his position in a positive and productive way instead of trying to segment himself from reality. I don't hate Felix, I just think he needs to clean off the shit that attracts flies instead of pretending the feces isn't there. This video is a bit of a start, but he still has much he can do if he wants to be a better public person.
I'm not sure how much more you want him to do than this video without him becoming a political activist.
Why are peoples putting an edgy Swedish boy and a group who actively defend theory like the "great replacement" and general all-round racism in the same bag again?
I know this dude said and done some stupid shit, but come on
Even in an heartfelt video saying once again basically "i'm not racist nor a white supremacist, and i don't condone those action at all" and telling people to stop doing something that was used in a deadly shooting, peoples are still saying the same shit based on a bunch of bad shit that happened
Should he be held accountable for what he said/done in the past?
Yes. But i'm pretty sure he already paid the price more time than enough for those things.
Has he done anything lately that could offend anyone?
Nah. Unless you count when he read that Pulp Fiction meme with Samuel L. Jackson, and read the n-word in French, but if so, well you're dumb for thinking thatand the fact that someone used his name in the aforementioned attack, which is out of his control.
However
I have to agree that getting Ben Shart on his channel was not a good thing to do
But even then, it doesn't mean that he agree with his world view or anything
Time to the churn out the old conspiracy that genuinely makes you look like this:
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No, there never was unless you fell for the clickbait articles written about him that continuously take his videos out of context.
Why?
Call the fuck out on the supremacists who see him as one of him. Flip the table on people who have seen him as a gateway. You either do or do not in the face of people who seek to make violence, there isn't a middle ground. If taking a hard stance against those who desire harm against vulnerable people is activism, then I think more activism is needed. Felix isn't in some vacuum world, he's a person who has captured an audience. I find much of the defense for him to cover the reality of what he holds and it comes off as patronizing in the times we live in. He has to either clean the shit he's found on him, or let it stink.
To me he always came off as someone who wasn't politically savvy, and generally blind to a lot of red flags. Like how the alt-right knows its own taboo status, and looks for signs of implicit support, rather than explicit endorsements. "Redpilling" might've gained buzzword status by now, but it's very much held as a true belief by some people. Namely, /pol/itical ideologues who think Pewdiepie is subtly trying to introduce his audience to white supremacy. It doesn't matter if he followed PJW and Molyneux offhandedly, because they offered support at some point during the media shitstorms, the alt-right will either take that as a hint that he's /ourguy/, or use it to whip up mainstream credibility for those two (he stopped following everyone recently).
Although I do think Pewdiepie has managed things very poorly at times, and I'm glad to see this video, what I'd like to see come out of it is less of a blame game, and more of a study in how extreme politics try to make their way into the mainstream
This thread's already off to a great start I see.
Well how about you list them then, should be easy since you're obviously so confident.
Please don't make them do that, it hurts my brain every time.
There aren't any reasons to believe that he's a white supremacist. He's extremely irresponsible, though
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Bluntly though, I think this video should be a start instead of an end. One should not so much as move from a conflict as much as build from there. It's hard to get away from a toxic crowd, as it's more complicated than simply leaving. Loose ends fester, and need work done to prevent festering. He's not to blame, but he's not excused. He needs to keep at it and do introspection to do build the replacement of what was infamous.
Reminder that the alt-right thought Taylor Swift was with them at some point.
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The fact that this video even has to exist says a lot about outrage culture. I would never say thing like "today's society is so sensitive" or anything like thst because it's a cop-out drom people thst got lambasted for saying something stupid, but... Pewdiepie is just a dumb swedish dude who got famous and became rich solely for playing video games while making funny noises. There are people on youtube that have genuinely done awful things that go beyond saying something (really fucking stupid that he deserved to get punished for) racist on a stream. These people, like the Paul brothers or any number of genuine alt-right content creators, are also steadily gaining popularity and aren't getting in trouble for doing stupidbshit like Pewdiepie is.
I guess it's because he's an easy target. The thing that makes me annoyed is that people i know personally or whose content i enjoy actually engage with the outrage culture. People died during the awful church shooting, and the first thing they did was jump to "Pewdiepie js a nationalist fuck that guy" agenda. It's.... Aggravating. It's one thing for people clearly on the right to be part of the outrage culture, the right has historically been the sort of group to fall for such manipulation, but... I don't know. I'm not gonna say "thank you pewds", or try and champion him for something he shoud've done weeks ago, but at least he's trying to avoid the outrage culture.
The guy just wants to make funny videos, he clearly doesn't want to be involved in any political bullshit but dumb fuck groups like the alt-right just try to force political meaning into him and his videos in an attempt to make others think that he's on their side, he was basically forced to make this video because what started as a joke got way out of hand to the point the joke ended up being used in a alt-right terrorist attack.
Jesus fucking christ dude. I'm sorry, but there are way too many mental gymnastics helping you come up with this and somehow believe it's any way rooted in reality.
Unfortunately, I feel the same about people defending him. I try to keep an open mind to it. But people keep doing such coddling defenses. It's so frustrating to see people do that with people who hold prominent platforms.
People act like he's some indie comedian instead of person with a platform. It feels like we're talking about some kid instead of an adult. It's patronizing.
What you find is a world where people believe that you shouldn't live in constant anxiety about who you speak to or what you said 30 years ago. It's pretty simple, really. There are too many surveillance culture proponents and apologists out there with "good intentions" like yourself and unfortunately too few of them recognise that their "enlightened position" is as full of problems if not more so than their opposition.
What if I told you that your take is as underveloped as anyone else's?
I guess everything in the world is still developing.
Still I have a lot of feeling of this because of seeing my former teenage self, where I felt aligned with stuff I see as what propagated into current conflicts(Gamergate, Anti-SJW stuff, etc), in a lot of the current spectrum that seems very defensive about what is termed "edgy" humor. I feel there is a problem of people viewing comedy and media in general in a vacuum that doesn't have anything to do with beyond such a vacuum. I feel it leads down a really shitty road that is hard to climb out of. I believe much is forgivable, but it takes a lot to forgive enabling malice against vulnerable peoples. It comes from my personal realization of just how malicious and undercoated a lot of "edgy" humor is. I think comedy can be a tool for a lot of good, but it can very much be a tool for enabling further malice. It's a spectrum that I feel people could find some useful introspection if they want to grow beyond their current position. Humor isn't just humor, it's another aspect of speech and it can tell a lot.
I mean this in the least offensive way possible. But you sound so absolutely full of yourself that I can only suspect drugs are involved or long-term social isolation. Your view of other people seems very pretentious and it's painfully obvious that you spend a lot of time overthinking shit and measuring people by minute indiscretions. That's not how you decipher a person's character. at all.
This 3 minute video he posted says more about him as a person than any of his jokes. It says more about him as a person than that one time he exclaimed "nigger" on stream and if it's not obvious to you WHY this is, then I think you need to tone down the armchair psycho-sociology and learn to live with the idea that people can tell well enough for themselves which wizarding families are the good sort and which aren't...
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