• Not a single Australian political party leader has >50% average approval
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Australia's most prominent political leaders have been on the road for weeks now, trying to convince voters they're trustworthy and competent. Those efforts don't seem to be going all that well, according to the views of 300,000 respondents to the ABC's Vote Compass survey. Vote Compass asks voters to rate our leaders out of 10 how competent and trustworthy they are. And on average, none of our leaders are getting a passing grade. While these grades might seem low, La Trobe University associate professor Andrea Carson, a member of the Vote Compass advisory panel, said they were not unusual. https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/V89fV/4?abcnewsembedheight=370 https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/65UOX/1/?abcnewsembedheight=370 https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/IJKD2/1?abcnewsembedheight=370 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-29/vote-compass-election-scott-morrison-bill-shorten-grades/11046948
the fact that greens and labor voters have any trust and confidence in morrison and hanson is ridiculous. and the same can be said about the opposite. just goes to show how little people pay attention to policy and put their trust in the mainstream media and newspapers.
That’s quite a stretch of a conclusion there. For all we know, Hanson’s trustworthiness by Labor and Green supporters, of 0.5 out of 10 (I don’t see why you’d make a big deal out of that, or even the 2.5 out of 10 for Morrison), could be because some survey respondents might have been unaware that the lowest they could vote was 0 out of 10, rather than 1 out of 10. More importantly, you glossed over the fact that Liberal voters find Shorten and Di Natale to be more-competent than Hanson. That’s pretty substantial.
They've all got the personality of a fucken wet cardboard box
its pretty hard for your average aussie to give a shit about politics when all they hear from the major parties is slander towards the opposite rather than exciting people with what they want to achieve. it shits me off so much that every political ad is "liberals bad, vote me labor", "labor bad, vote me liberal". even the greens are guilty of this.
[Laughs in USA] Thta's been the norm in American politics for so long that you'd be hard pressed to find a living person in this country who remembers a time where our political ads weren't simply attack ads.
Yo those OP embeds are fucking next level
Why should it be concerning? I'd personally find it more concerning if more people were undecided a week before the election.
mostly because a lot of them are voting based on tradition rather than policy. some people will vote for a party because their parents voted for that party ignoring what the party stood for now and then. and you'll get a lot of people who have decided they will vote for scomo because they think bill shorten looks like "a shifty cunt" who can't be trusted.
So basically they are all a bunch of fukken cunts?
yep no good candidates, but at least I can vote against my electorate and hopefully get slightly better infrastructure. Or they will just give a one off hand out....
I haven't seen Labor throwing out any slander, just Shorten talking about his plan to subsidise childcare because working parents are losing so much on it. Which was immediately contrasted with Morrison going "Bill Shorten spends too much money! Vote for me, I won't spend as much money!" and Clive Palmer joining in to say he preferences the Coalition because Labor spend too much money.
The Liberal Party: "We'll give you less stuff!" Australian populace: "Yeah, that sounds good"
I think this is more of a meme if anything these days. Shorten actually seems like a really good talker at his rallies and during debates.
I literally got a text message telling me to vote labor and not liberal a few days ago
Why is it that every modern democracy is filled to the brim with politicians who have exactly zero spine and stand up for no policies? Great leaders have never been people who are weak on what they support. Every great 20th century democratic leader such as the Roosevelts or Churchill or even more recent neo-conservative scum like Reagan and Thatcher all had strong policies they stood by and supported. What changed? How do we prevent this in the future?
Nothing changed. You mention all those great leaders, but nobody remembers the people between them, both in the past and towards the present. We have literally always had people like this.
This is why we should elect Pauline Hanson as pm, she's got guts to tell the truth
The difference is that even the people between them usually stood for something. Warren, Coolidge and Hoover were all proponents of the free market who literally campaigned on a hands off approach, Eisenhower continued FDRs policies, JFK literally promised the moon. Sure there might have been others who weren't as strong and didn't stand for all that much in the way of policy, but at least they stood for something. All the people I see here are spineless asshats who barely have anything to say.
Just thought I would leave this here as well LABOR: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/244344/ea93f440-f053-475d-a98a-7ce7c74be94e/IMG_20190507_151905.jpg https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/244344/9e7b70f5-ebdc-45ba-b9fc-e993d6f19ba5/IMG_20190507_151908.jpg Both parties are fucking retarded on this front. LIBERAL: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/244344/90b2579a-bd0f-46a0-abfa-e595bd97e213/IMG_20190507_151932.jpg https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/244344/a1e1caae-9426-4bf4-83c9-c7012f69ada6/IMG_20190507_151938.jpg Wtf is all this shit? ALL of it from BOTH parties are factually WRONG.
Perhaps some people might want to know why these statements are wrong. Here's a breakdown of Labour's claims. The Prince Charles Hospital has appeared to have cut 25 full-time nursing roles, however I cannot find any evidence of a direct "$12 million dollar cut". However it seems like Labour has plans to increase funding to Redcliffe hospital, so in this case the statement is misleading in the sense that the Coalition hasn't cut funding to these hospitals but instead Labour intends to spend that more on these hosptials. $14 billion dollars has not been cut from schools, Labour here has made a misleading statement again instead referring to their policy to increase public school funding by that amount, I'm guessing this is a common tatic to refer to hypothetical budget differences as cuts. Actual funding to education has increased in general in the 2019-20 budget with public schools recieving a 6.2% increasse in funding. Under the supervision of the Turnbull government penalty rates were cut, it is estimated the move effected around 700, 000 workers. Depening on the size of the electorate and it's worker composition it is possible 12, 200 people suffered penalty rate cuts in this electorate. This appears to be the truest statement on all of these scare cards. As for the Coalition all of their claims are way too fuzzy and predictive making fact checking difficult to do.
Department of fair work decided penalty rates should go, then both LNP and Labor let it through. Labor previously had ministers mentioning abolishing them also, LNP just supported it with more enthusiasm.
And of course there’s always the classic ‘Mediscare’ campaign as evidence that Labor historically have been as bad as the Liberals when it comes to political advertising People shouldn’t be paying attention to such ads anyways, regardless of which party it’s from. The point of ads is to tell people what they want to hear, rather than what they need to hear. People need to be doing their own research rather than letting someone else tell them how to vote.
That's a bit misleading, Labor attempted to block the penalty rates cut from going through with a bill which was narrowly shot down. I'm unsure where you've gotten that other idea from though, the closet I can find is Shorten publically stating that he would accept the commission's findings a position which he has since reversed on. It is worth noting that Labor made a submission to the commission to defend penalty rates, seeming to indicate the opposite stance of what you stated.
As for labor's current stance - political games. Better beg for forgiveness than be upfront about a promise they can't keep Shorten openly backed cuts in 2016 in the same way LNP backed it.
I wonder if I'm just insulated from all this because I live in a pretty safe Coalition-biased area so Labor don't bother spamming shitty ads here. In fact, the only political ad I can remember seeing recently that wasn't from the Coalition was a giant Pauline Hanson billboard saying "I've got the guts to say what you think!", since One Nation's probably the only real competition the Coalition have in this area.
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