Trump sues banks to stop them from complying with House subpoenas
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/us/politics/trump-lawsuit-deutsche-bank.html
President Trump, his three eldest children and his private company filed a federal lawsuit on Monday against Deutsche Bank and Capital One, in a bid to prevent the banks from
responding to congressional subpoenas. In the suit, filed in the federal courthouse in Manhattan, the president and his family members argue that the Democrat-controlled House
committee leaders who issued subpoenas engaged in a broad overreach.
“This case involves congressional subpoenas that have no legitimate or lawful purpose,” the suit alleges. “The subpoenas were issued to harass President Donald J. Trump, to rummage
through every aspect of his personal finances, his businesses and the private information of the president and his family, and to ferret about for any material that might be used to cause
him political damage. No grounds exist to establish any purpose other than a political one.”
On April 15, the House’s Intelligence and Financial Services Committees issued subpoenas to Deutsche Bank, a longtime lender to Mr. Trump’s real estate company, as well as to a range
of other firms and financial institutions.
Nothing to hide, eh bois?
Not sure that's how things work, orangeboi.
This is the sound of total exoneration.
Man, he sure is going to great lengths to block evidence that would prove his innocence.
It's clearly just a 4D chess play where he's so innocent, he's going to play "guilty pretending to be innocent" so the libs feel like they have some hope in nailing him, but then it turns out it was just the good old standard nothingburger.
Trump, you've been more or less cleared. So what the fuck are you doing? Are you really so starved for attention that you need to overreach this badly?
Evidence, please? Other than Barr's all but outright lying summary of the Mueller report I mean.
At this point I think he is hiding something but something that's more embarrassing rather than career-destroying. Or... he can't stand not being in the spotlight?
I just don't know, because a president suing a bank is something comparable to bailing one out for me.
I think Trump is beyond being career-destroyed, anything he does is kind of just normalised like that, I legimately can't think of a realistic way he could have his career destroyed and his base removed.
Piss tapes are real or something. At this point, that's my best guess. Something that might not lead to impeachment (especially this late) but something that he doesn't want getting out.
I honestly think you're right. Trump's not competent enough to personally negotiate with the Russians or any sort of crime of that nature, and although he might know of it and have a hand in it, his campaign staff and confidants are the ones who really seemed to handle it, and thus the arrests and indictments by Mueller. Ironically however, it'll be because of Turmps continued attempts at obstruction of justice that will be what he gets in trouble for, simply because he doesn't want to tarnish the image of himself and his campaign, including because of sensitive personal information like the piss tapes (which btw i'm pretty sure Mueller's report showed were real).
Innocent genius at work.
trumpets: wtf im a watersports fetishist now
Not so fast. I don't think he's in trouble, but I do think he's an idiot. Mueller shot any chance of a follow-up investigation by taking his swet, sweet time and waiting until after the midterm elections to release his report lest it muddy the waters. Trump really only has a year left. Unless by a fluke he's re-elected, he's still not going to get impeached.
I can hear the goal posts being dragged through the mud from here mate.
NASA's gonna find goalposts on Mars at this rate.
Nope. He's still not going to be impeached, and he's still going to have just a single term (although at this point I'm not too sure about the last one). You need a crime to obstruct to be charged with obstruction, although I woulden't mind it being thrown at him for this type of government overreach.
And speaking of moved goalposts, we've gone from "Collusion" to simply "Obstruction" because you know just because we can't prove a crime doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I find it amazing that the president of the united states can even sue to prevent someone else's company from complying with congressional supeona's
You're arguing with multiple people who might have different goalposts. No one is moving them, you're just treating everyone you're talking to as a single party.
Reminds me of that one hypothetical scenario someone made photoshops of showing some news site reporting that Trump wears a diaper followed by people on Twitter posing in MAGA hats and diapers saying "u mad liberals"
Not true. If you maliciously impede a legal investigation then that's obstruction whether there's been a crime or not
And also, there have been crimes committed. Over 30 people have been indicted. You dont have to be the guilty party in order to obstruct justice, just ask Nixon.
Can't wait for this to be the next easily disprovable, completely false talking point that Republicans gobble up like a diseased cock
So if I hypothetically just decided to bar access to a residence because I saw the police coming I couldn't be charged with anything because I 'wasn't obstructing an ongoing investigation'?
This is a bad example because in this scenario you have to prove that it was drugs that were flushed in order to prove that obstruction happened
If you broke into an crime scene in progress where police are trying to determine if a crime was committed, and started flushing stuff down the toilet, that would be a better example and more analogous to what Trump did
What would you be saying if Mueller released his report before the midterms and changed the election outcome?
here's what you'd be saying;
"Wow Muellers really missed his mark by releasing this report in such a way as to directly influence the election. Clearly his report is just full of nothing and he's trying to manipulate the american people" or something to that effect.
Why do I think you'd say that? Because everything you say about the investigation NOW is predicated upon a poor, fragmented understanding of the report as it is now anyways.
Uh people can be capable of more than one type of crime?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice
Try again. Obstruction of justice is interfering with enforcement of the law and investigation of potential crimes. Which is exactly what Trump kept trying to do with the Mueller investigation.
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