Local elections: Main parties fear Brexit backlash in polls
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48142181
Results are coming in after local elections in England and Northern Ireland, with disillusionment about Brexit expected to be a big factor.
The BBC coverage pisses me off every time they go back to the panel because it's like each member was given three lines to repeat as a kind of defence mechanism whenever asked about anything.
"do you think it's gonna get worse for your party tonight?"
"Well, what we're seeing here is a response to Brexit negotiations by voters, who clearly are not happy with inaction, *insert dig at other party*, and that is being reflected in the results."
"ok but you do you think it's gonna get worse for your party?"
"It's early days."
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looks like the whigs are returning to the mix..
but the green party are really doing surprisingly well
LIB DEM SURGE
...and they were right to:
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Lib Dems are fucking back in town boiz. This should be a big wake-up call for Labour that their Brexit fence-sitting is killing them
My old man is running for the Tories as a parish(?) councillor, and whilst they won their seats this is what they're afraid of.
I knew there'd be a backlash but with the results in so far if they hold then nothing says people are done with the status quo like this. Whilst I can't see that being good for the stability of the country it would be a win for democracy.
Everyone's talking about 3rd parties getting gains and all I had was a choice between Labour and Conservative candidates
A bit of a pisstake that tories cut funding to councils and people blame it on labour councillors.
If this is a microcosm/indicative of future voting intention then we're gonna be seeing more "strong and stable" government for the foreseeable future.
Labour still get blamed for the recession even though it was almost non-existent regulation of the banks that caused it worldwide, so people will always blame parties for things that aren't their fault.
that's probably the most dangerous one too, it's successfully brainwashed half the country into believing the myth of tory economic responsibility. a hell of a lot of people now base most of their political understanding on falsehoods perpetuated by that myth.
Between Labour being seen as economically irresponsbile, unions being weakened to fuck, working class apathy and immigrants being scapegoated for stuff I fear for the future left wing of this country, I don't like that accelerationism crap but it might take somit really big and bad to get people demanding meaningful change.
There are predictions that the Conservatives could suffer a net loss of 1,000 councillors by the end of the day. The party has gained two councils.
The Lib Dems have enjoyed their best local electoral performance in years - and control of eight councils.
1000 TORY SEATS COULD BE LOST.
Ouch!
gross... but I see somewhat the point.
More with the Conservatives than the Labour. As the infograph clearly showing it more so negative for both the Cons and UKIP.
It's going to be interesting to see how the euro election results go if this is any reflection of things to come.
What do you think the lib Dems are exactly? They're our major centre-left party, them getting more representation is a positive as their policies generally are pretty solid.
The whole coalition thing a few years back has been used to gaslight people into thinking they did nothing. But as we've seen since the Tories took full control, they were reigning in the worst of the Tory policy by being there. More than most opposition parties have managed recently at least.
Not sure how this is "gross"
Are they actually centre left economically?
Vince Cable supported the TTIP which was economically very right wing (basically a race to the bottom and a power grab for corporations), he's opposed to raises to minimum wage, he defends the decision to increase tutition fees, lib dems supported privatising the royal mail losing the tax payer billions.
At very best Vince Cable claims to be a Keynesian but then dunks on Labour as anti-capitalists despite their policies being fairly Keynesian.
Sure Lib dems are "nicer" than the tories but I wouldn't call them economically centre left - unless centre has veered so far to the right that we're comparable to america.
At least Lib dems are unabashedly pro EU which is nice; but if/when no deal brexit happens you can be sure the Lib Dems will support a US trade deal which will be disastrously right wing, they've supported it before and will support it again. Their economic policy is close enough to the tories that whilst they may claim to be centre/centre-left in practice they're enabling the pretty far right economics of the tories.
They're basically Macron
Not even a majority of Lib Dems are centre left so I'm not sure where you've gotten that from. The majority of them are lightly centre right or orange book liberals.
Voted Lib Dem and pretty happy to see them doing well, the lazy labour council who've been utterly useless also lost control of the council, which serves them right since they've taken this area for granted for a while.
Sure, including this your and along the self-subscribed Anti-Labour center-left –who can’t joined the other center-left alternatives to both them– interpretation. But still they’re ideologically centrist party for most of its history.
Maybe for the British voters, who lazily hated them the most, will think that.
But for others who have a good reason like me (even as born-American) since they’re one of those times, they screwed their party’s reputation as means to lock the Labour Party way to win.
The Tories had a bit of a rough night in my council. They lost more than half the seats that were up for grabs (including my local councillor, which swapped to Labour 👌) and now only have a majority of three. Hopefully next year they'll lose enough of the rest to remove their majority.
Labour have been in opposition for nine years though and should be gaining at this point. To be losing seats is preeeetty bad
Well, not too much as currently they lost 81 councilors and two councils from last night.
Should note that the independants had a massive surge too(200+ gains) so it shows discontent for the big parties on all fronts.
My local area had the "Democrats and Veterans Party" on the ballot
I mean, we could talk about every party being the reason why others didn't do so well
The numbers simply weren't there for Labour, even if they could miraculously lead a rainbow coalition they wouldn't have been able to command a majority - and a minority government with bickering galore would be insane to have in the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis.
Financial crisis buggery aside, other key problems in the lead-up to 2010 were FPTP as a whole + the win at all costs attitude it harbours, and the hostility & influence of the shitrags in this country. The amount of people who still think that Labour are personally to blame for everything a decade later...
And few local, regional, and even national third parties like the Democrats and Veterans (another UKIP sprinter political party) did gain two councilors for a example.
One day we'll stop holding actions of the coalition against the Lib Dems, hopefully soon considering we've had two new leaders since Nick Clegg.
Meanwhile, I am so bored of the cyclical debate of Labour v Lib Dems. I voted Lib Dems yesterday because, for better or worse, the Lib Dems have been consistent with their approach to Brexit. The Tories are not compromising, and they're getting the flak for it, but we seem to recklessly allowing ourselves to forget the Labour stance - whothefuckknows. This Labour opposition is one of the worst in years, and that says loads considering how terrible the government is at the moment. With a government this bad, Labour should be ripping them to shreds in debates and polls. But they're not, because they've become the fence-sitter party. People hate the Tories for legitimate reasons, but we've also got plenty of reasons to dislike the current Labour Party. Whether you buy into the Tory theory that 'No one voted for Lib Dems, they just picked a non-primary party' or not, people are speaking. The main parties (note the plural) are failing to do their jobs and we are sick of their nonsense. Corbyn needs to take notice of these elections just as much as May does.
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Will they hit that magical 1000?
