Genuinely, what the fuck is wrong with him? Not only did he do it once, which is bad enough, but he went and did it again.
A lot of these Alt-Right personalities entering into real politics are going to have quite the reckoning coming for them as they realize too late that real-life has rules, and ones which are enforced.
They think they're immune to criticism because they're "joking".
Have fun, dipthong~
Well on the bright side UKIP is finally dead, but that probably means more people voting for Tories since UKIP was the last major white supremacist party.
I have to wonder what they would find if the authorities seized his PC.
The dude seems like a major creep, wasn't there a story going around that he was asking people to send him child porn? (to trigger libs with, promise)
Apparently yes, the quote given is:
‘Do you have any underage porn or child porn? I will delete it fast so nobody gets in trouble.’
Though it's worth keeping in mind that the source on this is Daily Heil, and their source is an unnamed member of UKIP, so a cavalcade of unreliability there.
Imagine distributing child porn to troll people. Like that's your justification, that you're doing it ironically.
Well there was that "age of consent depends on the person" thing. On the other hand, he has expressed outrage at stories about pedophiles before, albeit mostly if not entirely ones that involved Muslim and/or SJW pedophiles. It's also worth remembering that he tried to trigger nazis by posting gay interracial porn on twitter in the past, although gay interracial porn isn't inherently horrible like child porn.
Although the argument is one often made by pedophiles, it's not a completely invalid statement and in context it honestly wasn't that odd.
Sargon is a piece of shit but I don't think he's a pedophile
He literally said "I can be quoted as saying you can fuck young boys" and that was on his channel so that's pretty cut and dry. He also had numerous pedophiles or pedophile supporters on his channel or tweeted in support of them.
Full Stop. A really rude joke is NOWHERE in the realm of something like this.
Do I care for what he said no. But I can clearly tell it was a joke. In an extremely rude way he said she was too ugly to fuck. It's a good thing the great leaders in edgy comedy have died. As it appears, today's extremely overly sensitive society* can't seem to handle a fucking benign knock knock joke at this point. I also can't believe the amount of people that care so much about people being upset they make laws BANNING free speech. Thankfully I live in a country where free speech is written into law.
*The loud vocal minority that these stupid governments are catering to for nefarious reasons of their own.
Carl is a douchebag. But being a douche shouldn't be a fucking crime.
Yeah, saying that you'd rape an MP if you were under enough pressure to is exactly like a knock knock joke. You got us.
He wasn't prosecuted for his original comment saying he "wouldn't even rape [her]" - he's being targeted now because he is saying he might be inclined to rape her. There's an important distinction.
Read the rest of the thread before you embarrass yourself.
How long are we expected to excuse shitty behavior just because 'it's a joke' ?
What's the actual limit here? Just how much are you willing to excuse on the basis that it's just a joke?
Why are you so invested in people's ability to keep being shitty people with zero consequence or accountability?
Do you not think that since he is running for a political office he should be held to a higher standard than your mate Dave down the pub?
Do you really want to live in a world where everyone has a license to be as big of an asshole as they want as long as they justify it under being a joke?
I'm just so fucking confused, dude
Like this strikes me as the literal exact same thing as youtube 'prank' culture. Shitty people doing shitty thing and then pretending like it's everyone else who's the asshole for being justifiably upset for their shitty behavior. Excusing this as a joke is the exact same god damn thing as every white ass fuckboy shouting slurs in the ghetto for that sweet sweet youtube cash saying "It's just a prank, bro! Bro it's just a prank calm down bro!"
Where is the limit? Where do you draw the line? When does it stop being just a silly joke and actually start being a problem? Where does accountability start?
Why the hell is it so important for people to just be allowed to be shitheads and face zero repercussions, be they social, legal, or political? When the hell do you start thinking that maybe it's a bloody problem?
Explain this god damn shit to me
I only ever see this great big hoo and ha about FREEZE PEACH when it comes to some white motherfucker spouting off bigoted, racist, sexist, classist, whatever the fuck kind of vile ist you wanna choose and I just have to wonder at this point why
Do you really just not see the problem with this at all? Do you actually, genuinely need someone to explain to you why Sargon of Akkan't Fucking Read behavior goes beyond just 'being a douche' ?
Beyond that, what is even the point of humor like this? What's funny about calling a woman too ugly to fuck? Explain the joke to me. Explain the humor in having so little regard for your female peers that you view them as objects to be judged entirely by their superficial physical appearance. Why is it somehow funny to judge your fellow human like this and then deign them not even worthy of one of the most violent and transgressive acts imaginable? Explain to me how there is not a tacit implication that if she were up to these superficial standards he would commit one of the most violent and transgressive acts imaginable. What makes that funny?
In short, what's the actual joke here? What makes it a joke? What's the bit that's supposed to make me giggle? Why is it supposed to make me giggle? What's the expectation and subversion of same? What's the setup? What's the punchline? What's between the lines that makes this so funny? Where is the god damn joke? What is the actual humor here that separates this particular instance of shitty behavior from every other one that crosses the line into being genuine comedy and therefore a valid excuse for being a festering cockhole? Is it insightful somehow? Should it be making me think? Is it making a point? Am I just supposed to laugh at 'haha woman too ugly to fuck'? What's the humor in that?
Is this actually just a really rude joke, or is this a sexist cockbite seeking out a position of power showing his true colors, and desperately trying to save face by pretending it's just a really rude joke that the hypersensitive aw baw poow me lefty sjubya ultra PeeCee [YOUR BUZZWORDS HERE] NPC soyboy cuck culture just isn't edgy enough to get, the fucking squares?
What the hell are you defending him for? What's your stake in this? What's your plan? What the hell are you doing? Why does this asshole need any kind of advocate? We obviously agree that he fucked up and what he did wasn't acceptable. You've said as much yourself in admitting that the joke was rude
Maybe you could explain why you think the joke was rude but he still shouldn't face any kind of repercussion for making it, regardless of the context? Is the context in which the joke was made unimportant? Do you not think maybe there's some additional nuance here? Is it really just those whiny lefties throwing a fit over nothing? Is it your estimation that there is absolutely no kind of problem here at all?
Why yes this is a bit of an incoherent Gish Gallop that rapidly spiraled out of control! But this post fills me with so many fucking questions, dude. Like this is just full on 100% complete and total cultural disconnect, man
I love how he's validating anything and everything his 'enemy' Jesse says and giving her a free victory
All she has to do is act scared and she gets free PR. She has the perfect storm from this and its working really well for her
Congrats Carl, you played yourself.
This is such a dumb statement because it implies that other countries don't.
Holy fuck someone's triggered. I have an issue with things that aren't actual threats being crimes. You do not have the right to never be offended.
Also I agree with you curls. It is him being a dick. It is a joke and it's not really funny. But just because a joke is shit shouldn't make the police be involved. That's just stupid.
Please. The Police are involved to investigate whether the he was jokingly threatening violence or not. Intent is a key part of the justice system is it not? Actual threats of violence are treated rightly harshly. And guess what, claiming something is a joke is, surprisingly, not always the same thing as a joke.
And how do you prove intent? Well, you have to be able to argue your intent and why therefore a reasonable person would find that agreeable.
Who is the arbiter of the reasonable man standard? The courts.
Maybe someone (with a large fan base, a sizeable portion of whome are alt right or nazi, with a discord server full of nazi memes and a reddit quarantined for having shit right wing content) applying for a political position should joke, more than once, about raping or assaulting you.
All this comes at a time with increasing threats of violence against MPs, especially from UKIP types.
Stop being fucking dumb. If Carl of Swindon can't control himself and can't stop acting like a piece of shit he's gonna face the consequences for it.
You live in a fantasy world.
...he says, while living in a country whose president routinely refers to the press as the enemy of the people and is actively trying to roll civil rights back a few decades.
But sure, waste more time blowing Sargon.
You also don't have the right to threaten to rape someone. Speech, even here in the states, isn't actually unlimited. It helps to know your rights if you're going to bang on nonsensically about them.
Not only does American free speech have its limits (you can get in trouble for: expressions that cause a disturbance of peace; divulging trade or state secrets, and certain information on ongoing court cases; misleading words to your customers or investors; perjury; libel/slander; and yes, intentional infliction of emotional distress), but the idea that conservatives wouldn't enjoy more limitations is absurd
Just look at Marco Rubio's bill that would have the government suppressing Israel boycotts, or attempts to push Trojan horses onto colleges in the form of "free speech" legislation that, ironically (and very much intentionally), includes ways to punish people for their expression
"knock knock"
"who's there?"
"i might rape you if i was under enough pressure"
hmmmm idk man i'm not really feeling this one
This is somewhat off-topic, but I gotta say, the fact that you made all those EvoCity maps for Garry's Mod makes me feel even more disappointed about the fact that you have a shit ton of views that are incredibly questionable at best.
The statement "I wouldn't even rape you" is detestable for numerous reasons.
1) It states that the person who made the statement WOULD under the correct cirucmstances be open to rape.
2) It says that a person is too ugly to be worth the effort of raping
3) It's completely unprofessional and should result in someones political career being over the second these words are uttered sincerely.
I understand that my tone of writing can be intense and intimidating to people who frequent the more fragile communities of the 'net, and the preceding post was definitely not my best work in terms of tone, but I promise every question in it is something that I really do want explanations for. You contend that it's just a joke, I can't accept this claim. I require an explanation how it is a joke in the same way I would require explanation that an elephant is actually, in fact, a dog
In other words:
And with some supplementals: You do actually know who Carl is, right?
You have some modicum of understanding why people are finding it so difficult to accept that this is 'just a joke'?
You're familiar with the concept of an established pattern of behavior?
Perhaps you could give ma short overview of these things to make sure we're on the same page?
Is there anything in particular that you're confused about that any of us could help to explain, maybe?
I really do want to understand, but for some reason every single time I start asking questions like this, the person I'm asking mysteriously disappears from the thread and/or goes out of their way to avoid having to explain anything. It's been a recurring trend for some time now, and it's a source of considerable confusion and no shortage of frustration
Don't you want to explain this shit to me? Don't you relish in the opportunity to talk about something that is obviously important to you in some significant way? Don't you want people to understand the culture you're apparently a part of? Isn't this kind of shit the entire point of a forum? To talk about things and foster the free exchange of ideas?
I'm not just saying things like 'complete and total cultural disconnect' for no reason, dude. That is actually what's going on. Your culture mystifies me, and it's almost hilariously difficult to get any explanation for it. I'm not kidding when I say this kinda shit happens every single time
Adding to this: let's not forget that someone who Carlgon politically agrees with literally murdered an MP three years ago because she wasn't far right. If that doesn't make it clear that the far right's anti democratic rhetoric doesn't present a clear threat then nothing will.
Neither of the things he said was a threat. The conclusion of both of them was that he would not rape the woman. One was a deliberately antagonistic twitter post and the other was a shitty joke, but the conclusion of both of them was that he has no intention of raping the woman. He did not, at any point, make an actual threat of raping her, and if he had then yes, I would support him going to jail.
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