Oh, so it's Batman Incorporated but slightly more cult-y eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Incorporated
Neat, looks shit.
Sonic the Hedgehog: Hey, let's put out one of the worst trailers this year!
Watchmen: Hold my beer.
I'm confused, so is this like just partly influenced by the comics? Just taking ideas, maybe some designs/characters but in the end telling it's own story?
It's a new story that takes place after the comics.
Doesn't' matter what this is, or is about, the internet has decreed
it is bad.
Fuck i'm sick of our culture. We know before we even engage with a property that it'll be shit. Why does anyone bother even watching media of any kind with the attitude that I see everywhere these days?
It's apparently also blending bits of Doomsday Clock in there, but without the DC superheros.
This just looks like absolute trash, and the fact that Lindeloff is involved all but confirms it. I know I'm judging a book by its cover here, but I've just got a feeling this is gonna be the new low-hanging fruit on the "no but you just didn't get it" tree, like Batman V Superman, Prometheus, and Inception before it.
It's rare that something comes along that makes you say: "man, I really miss Zac Snyder"
The last time this comic book was put on a screen it was decided that it needed to contain a direct reference to the Batnipple costume from Batman Forever.
I'm sorry, are you seriously getting pissed off at people reacting to something specifically meant to give you an idea of what it's about?
Because either way, throwing a tantrum over it isn't gonna make you look like the smarter person.
Well now hold on there my man follow me here.
A trailer you see is designed specifically to get people interested in a thing, and this trailer came out and it looks bad and i dont want it because it doesnt look particularly good. Also it isnt even adapting Watchmen, its Watchmen fanfiction.
Ok, i'm seriously confused here with the writer of this show.
I'm seeing one side saying this guy is shit for his writing on lost and BSG (correct me if i'm wrong on the BSG part)
The other side is praising him for his work on the leftovers.
The trailer looked interesting enough, i don't really see what all the hate is about. Can someone give me a brief 101 on this ?
for someone who has no idea what the watchmen is, this looks alright, no idea why everyone is so up in arms lmao
Ah, here we go. Lindelof's apology letter.
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up. That explains the Rorschach cult.
I guess there is just enough material for people to start hating on this. I myself will give it a chance. If it trully takes place after the comics, a fanfiction as some mentioned, then I can ignore it if it turns out to be bad. As for Lindelof, after Leftovers I trust him a bit more, plus I enjoyed most of LOST even though the ending/last season sucked.
I really like Watchmen so I'm gonna give it a go. Even it it's not really faithful to the comics, I reckon I'll be able to enjoy it as a standalone creation.
The original draft of Prometheus was a coherent and interesting Alien prequel until Damon Lindeloff got ahold of it and injected a bunch of JJ Abrams mystery box nonsense into it. Apparently the Leftovers is good, but everything I've seen from him has basically subscribed to the "you don't need to write consistent characters or abide by any kind of story structure so long as you make it vague and stylish enough that the audience just assumes it's too deep to understand properly" school of thought.
One of the things that makes Watchmen so remarkable is that so little in terms of plot is left vague or unanswered. Moore is a smart enough guy that he literally gives you ALL THE INFORMATION on how Doctor Manhattan works and what Adrian's plan was and what the characters are thinking and feeling and how the story unfolds; you never get the sense that something in the story ended up there by accident. A lot of writers will use "leaving it up to the audience's imagination" as an easy out once they've written themselves into a corner, but not Moore. Watchmen has plenty that the audience is free to interpret, but that's all on the reader and how they perceive the world. Literally the only plot point in Watchmen that's left up to the audience's imagination is the ending, and by that point it's totally earned. There's zero room for "what was with that black goo" style questions once you're done with Watchmen, every element of it is conveyed with explicit intent and it's up to the reader to keep up.
Lindeloff by and large operates in the exact opposite fashion, which is what makes his involvement in this so utterly baffling to fans of the comic. Zach Snyder is a hack, but even he had enough self-awareness to say "I am nowhere near smart or talented enough to improve on the source material, so I'm just going to make as close to a 1:1 adaptation as I possibly can", and all the stuff he changed or added (with the exception of the opening credits montage) ended up being the worst parts of that movie.
Watchmen is just one of those things you can't fuck with or re-imagine in a satisfying way. Alan Moore is a fucking lunatic and trying to reinvent his work is like trying to reinvent the wheel. You're either gonna end up with a store-brand version of what we've already got (in which case, why bother), something that is related to the source material in name only (in which case why not make it its own original thing), or a gigantic trash fire that flat-out doesn't work in any regard.
desperate need of a subtitle
Why call it Watchmen if it's not an adaptation of the original comic, Even if it takes place after the original story it should've been called something completely different
Yeah I suppose I am
I don't care about looking like the smarter person
I'm just tired of reading or seeing a new thing, feeling a modicum of interest myself and then reading "this is going to be so shitty" from everyone and everywhere.
Okay, maybe it will be, I don't know. Can you really be mad at me for being tired of endless negativity?
that or a subtitle, having it called Watchmen confuses shit. I didn't know it was taking place after till someone said that, from the trailer, it just looks like they took the IP and said "fuck everything this IP did" and ran with something else.
Such a discussion could keep us busy for a very long time, but am I the only one who is starting to think nowadays TV series medium is becoming really, needlessly overbloated?
I mean, speaking as someone who only watched the movie and never read the comic proper (yet), I must wonder what kind of audience is going to be interested in this
Ye sorry HBO not subscribing for this, give me a Deadwood reboot instead.
Jumping onto the superhero hype train in media and infusing it with heavy-handed modern political commentary/allegory/metaphors under an identifiable brand. So you have a few potential audiences: superhero fans, begrudged/curious Watchmen fans, those that love political commentary, and those just looking for some other show to watch.
There'd probably be less negativity if there wasnt so much to be negative about.
Baffling to me how judgemental people can be over a 1 minute trailer that barely reveals anything.
I agree. The "tick tock tick tock" was a bit cheesy but it otherwise looks decent, aside from the original Watchmen writers not wanting sequels/merchandise/etc - which isn't on the writers of the show in particular.
idk looked pretty good to me, im very interested
So what about this other than casting screamed totally not a modern political analog because turning games of thrones into one totally worked and was very well received and was excellent very good storytelling.
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