So the Lib Dems have risen from the dead now that UKIP has been sacrificed.
Well, to bad as the Brexit Party has beaten them by 1-2% above them since the last weeks, since they gained the former UKIP and some Conservative voters.
Also, I'm bit tired these Liberal Democratic apologetic partisan cultists to weirdly defending them if any political parties mistake, but not them.
I was listening to this on LBC yesterday and it was very interesting. A concern was raised that this campaign is using vulgar language to appeal to a disenfranchised audience. It's not Corbyn-Fence sitting, it's not half-measures. It's bollocks to all of it. It's absolutely aimed at a younger audience, as the Lib Dems have been in recent years. But the concern was raised that vulgarity and its use in politics are something that has been largely enabled as a result of Trump taking office in America. If he can act the way he does, why shouldn't other Politicians? The Voter-base seem to eat it up. So should people be concerned that a (somewhat) major party in the UK are saying that you can boil political discourse down to "Bollocks to it"?
I do agree that we should scrap Brexit, I'm far from alone on that. But is this the way to do it?
As someone who voted for Lib Dems in 2010 after falling for their promises, I learnt my lesson. Never again.
Who are you going to vote for?
I'm a Labour member since Corbyn and would very much love them in power, but with the recent launch of the EU campaign and apparent fence sitting I am very close to going green and cancelling my membership.
I've not really considered the Greens yet, I will have to have a think about them before deciding on my vote
I do wonder to what extent this principle can be dragged out. Is there a maximum time frame allowed for this, or can we start saying "I voted for Labour in 1997 and that led to Iraq. Never again"?
Yeah, personally I feel that the Lib Dems' near death experience in 2015 essentially paid off that debt, but others will make up their own minds
Do not go Greens, they're fanatically Anti-Nuclear for no other reason than "ITS CHERNOBYL WAITING TO HAPPEN"
Personally I'm torn between Labour and Libdum now. As much as I dislike the Libdums, Corbyn's fence-sitting means that I almost want to vote for anyone else despite supporting him on almost every other policy.
I can't conscientiously support the Green party because, as Piggo said, they've got some fucking mentalist ideas on nuclear power and the military.
So seems that if you want to go tactical, your best bet might be libdems as a pro-EU party if you're in england
https://www.remainunited.org/be-tactical/
Link to research
https://www.remainunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/UK-map-regions-recommended-voting-729x1024.jpg
Obviously I'm not telling you who to vote for, just something to consider if you feel that remain/defeating ukeep2 is your main voting priority.
I'm not denying that the lib dems have done some seriously stupid shit. I just find it interesting that a party most thought was dead in the water after 2015 is now resurgent, while UKIP got literally everything they wanted and it's killing them.
UKIP died because their only real purpose was fulfilled. The body might've still breathed a little from time to time if it wasn't for all the scandals surrounding the party, and then the real snap of the neck was Farage abandoning to form UKIP 2: Electric Boogaloo, which just vacuumed any remaining support UKIP had. The only people I know that voted UKIP recently did so because the Brexit Party wasn't up for local elections.
The value of the Lib Dems - the only party other than the Greens to be vehemently anti-Brexit since day 1 -, meanwhile, has become apparent post-2015 because there are now a growing amount of voters tired of the two main parties, as well as general moderates that can't handle dedication to either side of the coin and so associate with a line down the middle. The only other form of centrism the UK has is ChangeUK (apparently centrist), who are already beginning to trail, so there's now a new avenue for the Lib Dems to find support. Funnily enough, despite their stance on it, I think the whole Brexit situation revived the Lib Dems' cause more than any charismatic leader could.
Yeah, Lib Dems got really lucky that Labour's leader was pro leave, if Labour had been able to get fully behind remain then Lib Dems would not have had this comeback opportunity.
While mentioning them, I found this tweet saiding they’re a percent away of taking Conservative Party second position.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1127250315257044993?s=21
I'm torn between voting Lib and Plaid Cymru. I have always liked Lib Dem policy and their relative honesty (nobody mention Clegg please, triggered) but in these times where I would 100% be an SNP voter if I could, it makes sense to support the nationalists - and importantly the anti-England centric policy party. Plaid do cross some political bridges because there are a lot of very misled people in the Valleys who are strongly pro-Wales including independence but also pro-Brexit (despite the hilariously large 'BUILT WITH EU MONEY' signs on the newly rebuilt Heads of the Valleys expressway and a couple of new hospitals in the area) and I really hope we'll see them grow in the future. It's an option for those who feel disenfranchised by UK politics, where in England most who feel that way are gullibly voting for Nigel Farage again.
Side note, there are Brexit Party posters stuck to all the railings all over Culverhouse junction in Cardiff. I feel pissed off every time I see them on my home turf and think of Farage's little smug face. There is CCTV all over the area - is taking down unlicensed political posters on public land an offence? Because shit, I am so tempted to go and get a Mcdonald's and follow it up with some vandalism.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1127250825859014656
I find this much more interesting. ChangeUK is flopping, and I'm not at all surprised.
I'm voting Plaid myself. They've made some serious strides in the polls and local elections recently, and Adam Price is turning out to be a fantastic leader.
https://www.facebook.com/PlaidCymruWales/videos/2138841536185674/
As much as I respect what the Lib Dems have been doing recently, I feel like it's Plaid that has Wales's best interests in mind.
They were the minority party of a coalition government, it's unfair to expect them to have been able to action their policies, especially working with the Tories. They did a good job of curtailing Tory government while they were in power, look at how bad things have got without them in coalition.
Now just in a nationwide poll has said, the Brexit has pass them a percent.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1127304570332426242?s=21
I'm thinking plaid myself if just because they're more of a green-lite, their aims for wales to go totally renewable by 2035 is something I believe wales could actually do.
Doesn't help that the current UK parliament isn't letting us get towards it (the falling apart of the tidal lagoon plans, the cutting short of the electrification of the great western, etc) so I'm for more powers to the welsh assembly
For many years I felt that way, I wanted to view them as a dam preventing the overspill of the worst of the Tory madness, but the coalition DIRECTLY enabled the worst of Austerity. The Libdems allowed themselves to get so utterly destroyed in that second election that we are now stuck in what feels like perpetual torydom. After seeing what pain and suffering Austerity has done to many friends and family members, I don't see them as a positive force trying to lessen the damage, I see them solely as collaborators. The AV referendum was a complete shit show as well, a waste of time with what could've been.
Yes I am perhaps an idealist, expecting a party to stick rigidly to their principles. But I'd like to imagine, if back in 2010 they told the tories to go and stick it, we might not be stuck in this horrid situation we are today.
And I do also certainly lay a lot of blame towards the New Labour elites too, I'd personally believe there is no true justice until Blair and his consorts are tried as war criminals.
In my area Greens are actually pitted to win over lib dems and my usual stance of "anyone but the tories" needs to shift a bit towards more "anything but brexit" and I do wish it was ranked choice voting so I didn't have to do this but this is the democracy in which we live.
Sadly if we had ranked choice voting or anything that gave less weight to tactical voting, the Brexit party would be the UK's second party in the EP and possibly the UKP after the next elections.
People massively exaggerate the lib dem "betrayal". It's been quite clear over the last few years of pure tories that the lib dems did actually act to hold the tories back on their crazier policies. Remember they were in a coalition as the minority party, if you were expecting them to push through their policies in that situation you're an idiot. They had to compromise with the Tories otherwise the Tories would have just held a second election and likely won a majority.
Nick Clegg is gone any way so I don't see the issue here.
Just because Long Leggy Cleggy is long gone, the Lib Dems remain a party of back-stabby opportunists. They are as much neocons as New Labour were under Blair.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1127679303616016386
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