• Netanyahu says site set for new town on Golan Heights to be named after Trump
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-says-site-set-for-new-town-to-be-named-after-trump/
I'm sure this will be well received forever... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos,_Quebec
Isn't there a Russian brand of asbestos with Trump's face on it?
Seems like living in a minefield, where your neighbors can and do drop some artillery shells every few years, named after a ridiculously hated president might be a bad idea but hey, jingoism!
Ok, Benny, you're publically buttering Drumpf up. What manner of crime against humanity do you want him to protect you from this time??
I think it's payment actually, Trump declared Golan Heights as part of Israel, and making Israel and the United States the only 2 countries in the world to formally recognize the annexation. Golan Heights are controversial due to their occupation by the IDF during the Six Day War, refusal to return to Israel, and eventual annexation by Israel. They're also controversial due to Israel's population replacement in which native towns and villages have been razed to make room for Israeli settlements, costing it half it's original population.
This is called genocide btw
Thought genocide was for systemic mass murder? I could have said ethnic cleansing, but people also associate that with systemic mass murder even though it does not always include that.
It's genocide the same way what Americans did to the Native Americans was genocide.
dont feed the troll, there's no genocide of palestinians going on as evidenced by the Palestinian population growing x3 times since 67. There's also no razing in the golan, you're thinking of the West Bank where its done by settlers that aren't affiliated with the government and the native population of the Golan are very supportive of Israel to the point where they volunteered themselves to serve in the Israel Defense Force.
Are you implying a genocide can't be called a genocide if it doesn't succeed in its goal
If Israel was trying to commit a genocide, it would have done it already
Israel is not a singular entity, but there are people in Israel whose end goal is genocide. Netanyahu hasn't come out and said he is one of them (that I know of) but his actions imply it.
Show me Israel's death camps or any actions by israel that even compare to any genocide done by the nazis? You're thinking of Kahanists and even the most extreme of them don't want genocide, they want ethnic cleansing. Shitty but different.
Genocide isn't just mass murder. Extermination of ethnic groups can take many, many forms - the most horrifying is gas chambers and open murder, but there are other methods used in pursuit of genocide. Forceful relocation/deportation is a common tactic. It's a really frustrating and common misconception that genocide needs to involve systematic murder. It's the systematic and intentional erasure of an ethnic/cultural/political minority, regardless of tactic used. People make the same mistake with "ethnic cleansing" - it just means erasing and exterminating the existence of some minority. What matters is that the tools of genocide are used in the attempt to exterminate. It doesn't matter if you're not out there literally filling mass graves with the bodies of children - if you're trying to erase the existence of some group, you're in the process of committing genocide. The entire process of North American colonization was genocide - sure, the US government relocated the Native American tribes during the Trail of Tears instead of just gunning every single man, woman, and child into a pit, but it was a genocide. It was the planned erasure of an ethnic minority. One of the weirder examples of genocide is effectively forced child forfeiture, where children of a minority group are kidnapped and raised in majority households to eliminate the minority culture and society unilaterally over a single generation. You don't have to kill a single person to do this. It's still genocide - and it's why people freaked the fuck out at the family separation policy in the US. Because it's borderline genocide. There's loads and loads of debate about whether Israel is engaging in genocide against Palestine, and there's really not all that much agreement.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242634/6bdd401d-f6ab-4b72-882f-73329a16402d/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242634/05db6172-6ece-414d-b12a-4cc846a1b437/image.png I don't understand how you can think it's a good look to be trying to use technical definitions to excuse what Israel has done and is doing.
i refuse to call what israel does genocide despite thinking that what they do causes huge amounts of loss of life and leaves what few people left living with the will to die (or more frequently, kill) simply because i believe there needs to be an actual plan to exterminate a population group utterly for that specific term to apply - by which i mean my disagreement is semantic. despite a lack of such a plan in any meaningful area of authority and governance, unfortunately, there doesn't have to be such a plan for things to get this fucked - all that is required is to perpetuate the status quo (which benefits one side a lot more than the other) and be negligent and apathetic about the suffering on the other side of the fence (physical and metaphorical). there is no mistake that certain groups in israel have, do, and will engage in ethnic cleansing whenever they feel it accomplishes their goal, however. the fact there are people on the other side who unmistakably would do the same (and worse) if given the power should not serve as an excuse to be doing so. also you said earlier that kahanists did not want genocide, but i assure you that they absolutely would set up concentration camps if they felt that was the only (dare i say final) solution to the arab problem in israel, as nothing in their ethics seems to stand in the way of such acts - after all, they believe in what is said in the midrash, "הקם להורגך השקם להורגו".
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