Mass teacher 'proved' school needs metal detectors by planting ammunition. - Sensationalist Headlines

Numerous sources. Take your pick. https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/16/southbridge-high-school-teacher-arrested-alfred-purcell-ammo-lockdown/ https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/us/southbridge-high-school-teacher-live-ammunition/index.html https://whdh.com/news/police-southbridge-teacher-planted-live-round-in-stairwell-to-prove-need-for-metal-detectors/

I hate when people do this to self-fulfil some kind of bullshit they want validated

What a strange country, where metal detectors in schools are even thought about

Clearly the solution is to arm the students to protect them from the teachers.

I mean, there's so many more fucking things the size or bigger than a bullet that are made of metal that he probably could have used to make this point and not get in legal trouble, idiot.

Most of the schools with metal detectors are gonna be in places that are really ghetto. Its weird for me because I went to a school that actually had a failed active shooter and they didn't change anything. In fact they handled it pretty well, the kid got help and ended up coming back to school. He graduated and says out of trouble now. I also went to a school where people left shotgun shells in their trucks and often had shotguns in plain sight. We even had a club which took regular trips to the skeet/trap range.

Remember kids, it’s only legal when the ATF does it.

Metal detectors as a solution to social issues is exactly what this country has always done, use technology to say we solved a social problem. it also was pushed by a company that just so happened to build metal detectors and came up with a rediculous marketing video where a 'kid' smuggles in something like 5-6 pistols, a dozen blades and a shotgun under his clothing. I can't find the video but I remember watching it several times in school

I remember that same video, it was fucking hilarious. Dude pulls out a 12GA from his pants leg. He literally wouldn't be able to walk without doing the "I've shit myself" walk.

That sounds very American, not gonna lie.

ya and I can't for the life of me find it

Oh cool, the Onion made this joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnidY7_9WM

Moronic as he may be, they shouldn't continue charges against him, any sentence would be a waste of time. Intent wasn't malicious, just very, VERY misguided and I imagine the loss of his job/potential sinking of his career will be punishment enough.

I strongly disagree with this. This is literally the definition of low grade domestic terrorism. Inciting fear with the end goal of increased surveillance. I think that prohibitions such as this are stupid. I think gun free zones are a fucking joke. This man doesn't. He doesn't think they are enough. Throw the book at him. Let him explain how he's a good citizen while trying to explain why he shouldn't be punished by laws he doesn't think are strict enough.

That's kinda how it works with any government though? People might do things like "citizen's arrests" and shit like that but you can't play cop and you do not have the protections afforded to you as a police officer such as imminent threat shooting and reasonable suspicion. Private individuals are not supposed to be carrying out government functions. While the ATF completely botched Fast and Furious, they are in theory at least supposed to be able to have some sort of authority to do shit like that. If you as a private individual commit a crime, even if you had noble intentions while doing so, you still committed a crime. Ultimately though I'm sure this guy's going to be let off with a light sentence if he actually did this magnanimously.

I don’t know what you’re going on about, but I was clearly referring to the ATF essentially doing what this guy did except on a larger, more deadly scale. This guy tried to manufacture a crisis by smuggling ammunition into a school to justify putting metal detectors (aka security theater) into their school. The ATF successfully manufactured a crisis (guns entering Mexico from the USA) by smuggling and “””failing to track””” thousands of firearms into Mexico, for the sole purpose of obtaining anecdotal evidence which supports stricter gun control. Basically a federal law enforcement agency with malicious intent knowingly broke the law and indirectly killed thousands of people just to make a point, and then tried to silence whistle blowers in the bloody aftermath... and absolutely no one was held accountable for it. Those obtained documents of ATF agents discussing how to use the lost guns as political leverage clearly shows the operation was working exactly as intended and was only “botched” due to its details being leaked to the public.

I'm going on about the fact that you're implying it's a bad thing that it's illegal for private citizens to act as government functionaries. "Remember kids, it's only legal when the ATF does it." Yes, because the government are supposed to be the ones that can handle it, even if they might not be the best ones to do so, and as such we should replace them with those who can.

My 62 year old father has told me, when he was in high school, kids would often come into school with their rifles and shotguns, put them in the Principal's office for the day, then after school go out hunting. Like, they brought these things onto the bus and no one blinked an eye. Had no idea there were places left in the US that still were like that.

Sorry that wasn’t what I was trying to imply. I was making an offhand sarcastic remark about how when this individual plants evidence to make a political point, he gets in trouble (as he should). But when a federal agency plants evidence (which is still very illegal for even law enforcement) to make a political point AND at the cost of people’s lives, they get off Scott free. This is purely criticism of what the ATF has been allowed to get away with, not exoneration of the dipshit who caused panic in the school.

the final solution is making human skin bulletproof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ade7dO8dmd4 The video, for those curious. School security is a joke. I still don't get why they don't think an active shooter wouldn't just... shoot their way through the metal detectors? There's nothing that requires them to get through the detectors before they start shooting.

Well you can't pull your weapons out in the world hub obviously you need to get to the PVP zone first. But seriously, thinking in the mind of someone who would be terrible enough to commit such an act, check points where clusters of exposed people that would have trouble escaping, seems like a school shooter's wet dream. Especially if they had the tenacity to build a shrapnel bomb of some sort.

Outside of prison jumpsuits, what kind of school uniform is this video suggestion that would actually prevent that kind of armament being tucked under the shirt?

There’s a reason I called it security theater I mean all some sick bastard would need to do to recreate the Las Vegas shooting is leave their weapons outside in a hiding place next to/overlooking the designated evacuation zone, pull the fire alarm, and wait.

Nonono don't you understand. They'll know who planted the ammunition pulled the fire alarm. The security cameras prevent it from happening.

Okay. Here's a scenario Guy has a handgun and 9 magazines in his pockets and his intentions are to shoot a place up. But there's metal detectors at the door. Better go home I guess Metal Detectors are like Gun Free Zone signs. They're only for people who obey the law to begin with, they're not a deterrent to school shootings, they never will be

Plus the large lines caused by the metal detectors make a great location for a massacre.

Plus the fact that metal detectors will detect any metal on your person which if you want to process everyone in TSA style where they empty their pockets and remove their belts before you send each person through. And then you have to hope that high schoolers don't act like little shits and try to steal someone else shit while it's out of your pocket. AND good luck trying to convince high school girls that the creepy security gaurd frisking a teenager is purely for their own protection and nothing else. My HS had one and it just sat in a corner collecting dust due to how much of a pain in the ass the inefficient process was.

The Community college I go to has security guards (Glocks) and lots and lots of cameras. They don't bother you really, even if you eat lunch in an area that's marked as having it disallowed. As far as I can tell no teachers have or need guns. Armed security I don't even really notice that much. There's also a decent number of Muslim women that go around with traditional wear with no issue, people wear hats with no issue either. There are no metal detectors and they don't even really bother checking your ID. It's in a pretty large city no less. You just go in and out without any trouble. I don't have to stand in idiotic lines to be searched because that's absolutely pointless and will prevent nothing. If you go any further than this you're really creating a measure that'll do nothing at all. Armed security will kill a shooter dead, but a metal detector won't do a single thing to prevent an active shooter. This idea that we need metal detectors is not only pointless but downright idiotic. There are always ways to smuggle something into a building. A shooter will also know to not bother with it either. Now, this is a community college, very different from a childrens school. I don't think the answer is to put guns in school, however merely adding security officers and registering people with an ID is a far better measure than thinking a metal detector and a single guard will do anything. You can blast an active shooter in the face, but you can't persuade him to walk away by threatening him with a dumb beeping machine.

In that case I agree. The ATF should have definitely been held more accountable for Fast and Furious.