Absolutely. If they could somehow guarantee balanced nutrition in spite of it I'd say fine, but the reality is many are probably deficient in some form or other.
I remember this vegan kid growing up that always looked sickly, and had weird cravings he would satisfy when not at home.
as long as the kid is healthy it's a non-issue.
the parents have no "national" duty to stuff their child's gob with every species on this earth.
“Both the British Dietetic Association and the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics recognise that well-planned vegan diets can support healthy living in people of all ages, including infants, children, teenagers and pregnant and breastfeeding women,” she added.
I always feel that while this might be true, vegan diets invite for easier mistakes, especially with children.
Could also just be a bias from reading too much about adults who can't even manage a proper vegan diet for themself without ending up with some dangerous nutritional deficits.
Applying that to kids who would need even more care with nutrition during their growth, it seems like a good idea to forbid a vegan diet until a certain age.
If they actually think about a law against this , they should also add fines against overweight children, basically the other side where too much fast food and unhealthy food is not good either.
Should cover all sides of unhealthy nutrition.
Maybe better education for parents who don't know how to feed kids, regardless or diet choice, would be the better approach to take. Childhood obesity and malnutrition is a large growing health risk in Aus too due to parents not knowing what to feed their kids and having so much junk food available
Probably shouldn't ban veganism for kids, I thought things like malnutrition were already considered child abuse? Seems like it just needs to be enforced better.
My child's a furry so this kinda comes with the territory.
You have no idea how many extremely wrong ways of understanding that sentence I'm trying to suppress right now
Its fairly natural for parents to raise their kids with their own beliefs.
It's also fairly natural to murder and rape.
It's common, yes, but that doesn't make it a good thing. The cynic in me says it's done because indoctrination is most effective when carried out on the very young. I see no understandable reason as to why a parent needs to shove their religion onto their kid.
Because people want their kids to be like them.
Honestly, I think parents who don't give any sense of belief of any kind (religion, political, social ideals) is neglecting their children in a way.
ok better ban parents who feed their kids a diet of fast food then too lmao. vegans are more likely to be aware of nutritional requirements because it's something they've had to deal with themselves, and children don't need animal products any more than adults do
I am rather confused as to whether you believe parents should teach the actual ideals --> E.g. teaching the message behind "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her" (but at the same time couldn't you teach that without the incorporation of religion? idk), or do you also believe a Christian parent should raise a Christian child? If the latter, why? You don't get to decide your child's personal beliefs.
Also, in terms of political ideals, where is the line drawn? What political ideals are you teaching them? Are we keeping it generic, vague, or delving into depths of specific political ideologies?
They also don't have the right to tell him what he can't eat.
If he wants to eat meat, so be it. If he wanta to go vegan, ao be it.
i feel like im gonna get shit on for this but here goes
why does everyone in these threads suggest "just raise the child non-vegan until they can decide!" as a solution without seeing how ridiculous that seems to vegan people?
i'm not/never have been vegan or even vegitarian but it seems to totally disregard the core tenents of veganism which is not funding animal product industires, so to take someone who has potentially avoided spending a single penny on animal product for 15+ years and saying "bro just buy some meat/eggs/milk" seems pretty damn insulting, to them this would be like asking you to raise your child homophobic until he's at an age where he can decide if it's right, you would probably kick me in the balls for suggesting it.
it's not imposible for a child to have a healthy diet while being vegan, that's just a fact. do you think that kids getting stuffed with happy meals and processed foods are more healthy than a vegan child?
children can be undernourished on any diet, the real lesson we should be treating parents around the world is how to properly feed their children on any diet because with 40% of american teens being obese it's clear that dieting is a problem on both ends of the scale
Babies need milk. Not all mothers can provide breastmilk either, leaving them dependent on animal-produced formula.
I very much doubt this. It's easier for an adult to deal with not getting enough nutrients than a child, someone being a vegan doesn't give them any more nutritional knowledge anyone else. I'd wager the proportion of vegans who know little about nutrition is about the same as non-vegans.
The main issue is that most people don't realise that children need more nutritionally dense foods than adults to function, so a diet that is good enough for an adult may not be good enough when scaled down to child portions. There's a world of difference between needing enough nutrients to sustain and needing enough nutrients to grow.
I'm not that kind of Christian.
Yeah no, that's not how that works. Kids are not slaves, you still have to abide by certain principles.
Further, there's also a distinction between what's legal and what's ethical. It's legal to indoctrinate your kids, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Personally I'd tend to be kinda worried about the maturity of a person that would feel the need to fall back to such a cheap excuse: "They're my kids so I raise them however I please", as if you're talking about your personal tastes in car paint jobs.
Such a possessive viewpoint that depicts a willingness to imprint your own identity on your children rather than just wanting what's best for them, even if that means having some radically different traits from yours, sounds like a red flag to me and I'd advise any potential or actual parent who holds it to deeply question it.
Personal development starts early on in one's life, and one's childhood is extremely determining when it comes to what kind of person they grow up to be. Saying that they'll just have to wait until they're out of the house and that until then they'll have to do things the way the household (aka the parents) does flies in the face of that fact, and is just a generally toxic mindset to have.
"they don't have the right"
so if your child wants to eat dog shit, you don't have the right to stop them.
it's like people think they're experts in raising children but they end up loading their kid with processed food anyway. I guess you think it's child abuse to not buy a child McDonald's.
I personally believe it's sort of idealistic to presume "I'll raise my children as Christian [for example], but I won't be too pushy, and thus when they're older, they'll make their own free, informed choice". Even if you take all 'precautions', for lack of a better term, you've still instilled something into a child's head, and we're really downplaying how much faith a child typically puts in their parent's views. I'm not sure how it is in the US, but more than a significant handful of people over here still, as I approach my twenties, come out with "I'll vote [blank] because my parents did" (this is starting to crack a little due to Brexit, but I consider that to be an extreme external factor that wouldn't usually be considered), and the same statement exists with religion too. If you plan to raise a child as a Christian [for example], but then hope they'll form their own views when they grow up, why do you even need to have those childhood years of '''''forced''''' (again, for lack of a better team) piety? Why can't you have your views without spreading them to your children? I see no reason beyond personal sentiment to teach ideals with the religious flavour attached to it. Of course, I have to concede that there's only so far you can try to differentiate a parent's views from their child's; some kids will agree with even the most banal & trivial opinions simply because their parents hold them, so I'm not suggesting you have to try and actively force your children to have different views to you.
As Janus said, I'm an atheist but that doesn't mean I'm going to drill into my hypothetical child's head "RELIGION IS BAD, RELIGION IS FALSE, CHRISTIANS ARE DELUDED!" You can inform a child on different beliefs without picking one out that you like and saying "Oh, you should follow this one because I do too."
if a family are going to sit down to eat a meal, why should one child cry "i want to eat a cow" and the family oblige.
if a child genuinely wants to be vegan, then i will enable them as long as it doesn't affect their health.
Who said let the child decide exactly what they eat? Kids would just choose whatever they think taste best, and probably have a lot of sweets.
I just think if you have a child you should let them eat a large variety of food so when they grow up their body is prepared to handle it. Depriving a child of meat is just a way of forcing them to have a system not used to digesting meat. It's better for your child to grow up to follow your way of life because they believe it is the best choice for them, not becuase when they asked if they could have some chicken you told them they're a vegan and they had no choice.
Trying to take away a parents ability to raise there own children as they choose is stupid. Not including illegal shit ofc. A lot of people here seem to be claiming that teaching any idiology to kids is wrong, but that just seems like “teaching any idiology I don’t like is wrong”. Because avoiding instilling any values into your kids is an idiology itself.
No matter how hard you try, you will imprint a lot of yourself onto your kids, it’s just how they grow up.
Well no shit, I never said otherwise?
Forgot it takes a chef to know when food is shit.
Also apparently cumming in a vag/getting cummed into means you suddenly know how to raise children.
You seem to think that after they're adults, I wouldn't give a single shit about how they live their life, which would make raising them any which way pointless.
Of course I want my children to be Christians as adults. But as adults they will be free to choose otherwise, even if I hope they don't.
You seem to think that raising a child with a certain perspective must be absolute and completely restricted from all other ideas when that just isn't the mandatory case.
how would you personally deal with that situation.
"oh no, my child is so desperate for a cow to eat, i must get one immediately"
unless the child can actually explain why they are desperate for that particular meat, i would not go out of my way to feed them a cow.
I really don't mean to cause offence or come across as hostile, but it appears to me that your intent to raise your children in such a manner comes from a place of selfishness and personal 'interests' and beliefs. You intend to plant a seed and lead down a path of indoctrination because you personally support it, and it's already been discussed how this influences someone in their later years. It's not exactly a free choice on the child's part, is it? Although, I suppose that's where we'd come to a crossroad because I personally consider raising a child in hopes they'll echo my beliefs to be overly controlling. I would want my kids to adopt my more generic 'ideals'; politeness, openness etc., rather than wanting to put them in a political/religious camp before they're even old enough to spell Christianity.
Actually, in case you missed it, Janus and I both said "We're atheists, but we won't raise our children to be atheists". It's not simply a matter of disliking religion and therefore wanting to instil that same dislike into our children's heads.
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