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Navi’s not gonna be expensive as fuck.
I'm holding onto my rx 580 and not jumping to vega for navi, hope it's worth it...
Would have been terrible if Navi is more expensive because of HBM2.
Them just comparing a 2070 and getting 10% on an unspecified "5000 series" card didn't really give me much hope for Navi to be a performance killer.
So my hope would be that AMD can maybe be more price/performance competitive compared to Vega.
We will see more at E3 I guess.
i just want them to release something that competes at the high end
Also 10% in one game really says nothing, it could be a game that favors AMD.
Yea that just adds to my fears it won't be that great again.
Then again it could just them not showing anything because they want to show it at E3.
even if it's not that great I'd still buy an AMD GPU nowadays because the vega 56 is comparable to a 1080 for much lower cost, and the software is nicer, specially on Linux.
shit i might be upgrading to navi after all, who knows. i was planning to get a used vega 56 in july but if navi's priced well enough i'll probably go with that instead
are they sponsored by James Cameron?
Y-you're kidding me. The Navi line will be named RX 57xx?
I've been on my HD 5770 for nearly a decade now. You're telling me that when I finally upgrade my graphics card now that I have the money, I'll still be on a 5770?
Jesus Christ thank God, HBM2 was the death of Vega.
I think since they said “it starts with 50 cause it’s our anniversary” it’ll be RX 5x00.
As far back as the rumors about Navi go, it was never meant to be an absolute performance king, but rather a small and efficient mid-high range GPU. At least the name 5700 suggests that there might be a higher-end part coming later (5800? 5900?). The fact that an *700 is competing with the 2070 is already a promising start, I just wonder how low the price is going to have to be to compete against Nvidia without hardware-accelerated raytracing.
Fine with me, the HD 5770 isn't even GCN. I'm still on friggin' TeraScale...
Raytracing is an early adoption meme for the next few years so AMD doesn't need to care except for the PR risk of coming in a painful second in RT benchmarks. Nvidia is beginning the path to widespread adoption with the RTX cards, so it's only a matter of time before the games industry adopts it and hardware refinements move RTX out of early adoption hell and into useful consumer features, of course -- but raytracing in 2019 is a gimmick, just like the first year of the Oculus Rift was a lot more gimmicky than present-day VR. I'm sure AMD's going to find a GPU-accelerated raytracing solution within the next few years, in time for raytracing to mature and spread. Especially when Vulkan gets a stable raytracing implementation.
RTX is a gimmick that's going to get the masses looking at Nvidia because shiny (haha) new thing, but if the Navi line really is ready to dance with the 2070 for less than it costs that's going to draw eyeballs even if it's unable to match it in raytracing. Especially if they can push for applications to utilize the PCIEx4.0 bandwidth AMD showed off.
You're right that it's very gimmicky in its current state, but you have to remember that it's exactly the kind of thing that draws the attention of non hardware-enthusiast gamers and surface level tech journalists. Just look at the market shares throughout the years, most people prefer to buy Nvidia even when AMD has a slightly better price/perf alternative available. Not having RT acceleration is just another thing that makes it a tougher sell, even though people like you and I would gladly still buy it.
I mean, yeah, but AMD can focus on their strengths, like that doubled floating point performance and benchmarks that flood the PCI lanes and show off the Navi PCIEx4.0 powerhouse. They don't get to show off shiny reflections being rendered at the speed RTX can, but they can just keep showing benchmarks with deeply-intensive I/O that make the 2070/2080 eat ass one frame at a time. Same level of flash and relative meaninglessness.
They'll be massive fucking fools if they don't have hardware raytracing in a couple years, but if they're dragging their balls over Nvidia on their strengths and they push that over and over they can blunt the lack of competing with RTX for a while. Until Nvidia gets cards with those wide PCIEx4 lanes on the market and erases AMD's bandwidth advantage.
As a consumer architecture definitely, just cost too damn much and didn't really offer much of a benefit for gaming. Was pretty baller for productivity workloads though.
Based on Lisa Su's words we probably haven't seen the last of Vega. It'll probably take up a post similar to nVidia's Quadro line.
Except that PCIe bandwidth has barely any effect on the performance in actual games, let alone trying to explain the benefits of gen 4 vs gen 3 to a layman, whereas raytracing basically sells itself with buzzwords like "moar realistic", "just like the CGI movies", "physically accurate lighting", etc. I can guarantee you that the press won't give a shit about it, on the other hand RTX has generated a ton of headlines.
I just want something that comes close to NVIDIA's current gen without breaking the bank as much.
Lacking dedicated ray tracing hardware will certainly be a blow to its adoption (as much of a meme that it is, people do have interest in it and see it as added value), but I'd say the future of that tech is probably more based purely in software solutions (as demonstrated by Crytek's demo running on a Vega 56), so the lack of dedicated hardware for it doesn't particularly miff me right now.
Just have the top of the line Navi match or come really close to an RTX 2080, sell it for less, and you have a buy from me.
The press doesn't give a shit in general; its why they don't report on things like how Gameworks routinely fucks over non Nvidia users.
The slide about that actually only said "5000 series", not 5700 like that other benchmark they showed.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113377/29efadc1-4e3a-4674-b5cc-530476c6c397/chrome_2019-05-27_04-45-34.png
So it really doesn't tell us much.
https://videocardz.com/80883/amd-radeon-rx-5700-navi-series-feature-225w-and-180w-skus?fbclid=IwAR3ITN8kEtsydB1Caz-66W6h9KjluOcjilA-HwlBbsEfmbrgdcz8D9EYSoU
So I guess the 5700 is really a series of cards with different features.
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