Robert Mueller to make statement on Russia investigation
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48450534
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About damn time
No. Obstruction, collusion confirmed.
We're live
He's resigning
"I don't think it's appropriate for me to speak about the report or about the department of justice"
Man it's silly that the only body that can judge a sitting president is a partisan institution (Congress)
Wow, that went quickly. What did he actually say at the start?
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Basically, Yeah Russia meddled big time, They can't say Trump didn't commit crimes, and because of DoJ police they can't bring charges. Same stuff that's already public in the report
As soon as Trump is out of office he's fucked
I'm glad to hear that second part, but just how fucked is he once he gets out? I'm not politically savvy
The damage will already be more than done if Trump gets out of office
Who knows. He's already an unindicted co-conspirator with violating campaign finance laws and federal conspiracy for agreeing to break those laws with Cohen. There's at least 4 and up to 10 possibly felony obstruction charges. And there's still 16 separate investigations that are ongoing surrounding Trump and his businesses
If he gets out of office, and if he gets out of office alive. If he can't hold on to power he can always choose to overdose on cheeseburgers and heart attack his way out of dealing with the consequences.
This is pretty much what I was expecting, that he'd try to be as unbiased and professional as possible, like Comey while he was testifying except even more so.
collusion is not a crime, obstruction of justice is however
they can't say he committed a crime, they certainly can and would have said if he didn't. Big difference
Collusion is a crime because it's a colloquialism for conspiracy to commit an act of crime, for example conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Yes, sorry. The point is the mueller probe never set out to prove "Collusion", which is what Trump has been raving about.
Or maybe get a 45 caliber enema when he tries to pull some shit and the secret service nopes him out.
2020 or, god forbid, 2024, he will have a hard decision. Face jail time by steppi g down like he should do, or try to stay in power and face forcible removal.
Which is hilarious given that his ranting and raving about it is the new Hillary emails, except it just puts more attention on him for deflecting non-existent charges and making it seem like he colluded.
the opening of the report makes it overwhelmingly clear that it considered recommending charges against the potus outside of it's scope and could only present evidence.
That's not the same thing as not recommending charges.
It's less that he didn't charge him and more that he is not allowed to charge him. A real catch 22 deal that's terrible all-around. He is literally stating that the unredacted report must be seen and that there are impeachable offenses in it. He just can't charge him as an independent prosecutor which is dumb as hell.
By then, so will the rest of America.
I don't think anyone here truly gives a shit about what Trump will be after he leaves office, we all want him out now.
special council, an independent prosecutor could indict a president but thanks to ken starr the law was too fucking toxic to leave in the hands of congress
The Justice Department would prevent a sitting president from being charged with federal crimes. So Mueller cannot outright say that the president committed these crimes, and he cannot recommend that there be further action, per the Justice Department policy and the Special Counsel being Justice Department contained.
The other end of the stick is Mueller can certainly say outright that the president did not commit any crimes found in the investigation, and that no further action is necessary.
However, Mueller and Co. were perfectly clear with their language that they explicitly did not say that he was innocent, and that the report did not clear the president of charges.
If the Justice Department did not have the policy of protecting sitting presidents, then I have no doubt that there would be concrete charges brought forth. However, because he cannot do so, and the report did not clear the president, he has to maintain this awkward middle ground that points to the scale so that it doesn't tip. Unfortunately, this vagueness perpetuated by the DoJ makes great press fodder for the president to do as he has done and claim innocence.
That's not a DoJ policy, that's the sitting president's policy as the DoJ, being part of the executive, will always be under the policy of the president.
In hindsight, it's fucking backward as hell.
Its literally becoming the police chief in order to commit any crime and order the police officers not to arrest oneself.
The problem is that many conservative lawyers like Barr believe in the bullshit unitary executive theory where like a king the President is the Executive branch and every aspect of it. He is the law enforcement
official of the United States and therefore every action every executive department ever makes is his and his alone. All executive officers are but extensions of his will.
Probably better to go like Colombia and put the DoJ under the Supreme Court. I know right now it may look bad for that given who Trump has appointed, but it's objectively better than allowing any president a stay-out-of-jail-free card.
I can get behind removing the DoJ from the ability to interpret laws, which seems how this whole mess started. The DoJ should just be in charge of enforcing what Congress writes, in the manner the SCOTUS interprets it.
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