Weapon idea: Exploding Spear - Rust

[IMG]http://s33.postimg.org/5nmebbwen/idea.jpg[/IMG] [B]Stone spear + bean can grenade + 20 leather = Exploding spear[/B] My idea is that I think a fun additional weapon to the game would be an exploding tip spear, the exact balance, recipe etc. could be further refined but I see it as a mid tier weapon that can give players a chance if they can ambush their foes. I would personally like to see the bean can grenade recipe changed to include an empty bean can + gun powder and cloth which I think goes a way to making empty bean cans useful and also making them what I consider to be not too accessible but also relatively cheap compared to high tier weapons. The stone spear recipe I think would be required first and would also increase the cost of this item. I strongly think that weapons should be both fun to use, not feel cheesy on the other end when you get killed by them and compliment the existing weapons/items in the game. Currently I think there is your bow/crossbow/spear/pipe shotgun tier and then sort of bridging from there are the revolver, semi-auto pistol and perhaps the semi automatic followed in a continuum with the rest of the automatic weapons/flame thrower and rocket launcher. Where this item sits I believe is along side the upper end of the first tier/start of the second tier. [B]Mechanics[/B] A lot of the higher tier weapons have conventional FPS gun play elements- which is great but also you can start to feel that they have a lot of overlap with each other. This weapon is a short range weapon (spear range/shorter than spear range) and I think ideally would have a light up animation where you use your torch to light the fuse (although this part of the idea is not essential for the concept and might make it too weak). The spear would be thrown similar to a normal spear then and hit the target- it would then explode in a similar random mechanic to the bean can grenade with the spear implanted in the player. The splash damage I think should be the same as a bean can grenade but with the added damage of the spear penetration. So there would be an initial hit damage followed by splash damage on detonation. Similar to other bean can's the grenade sometimes will blow up very early in the hands of the spear thrower and sometimes not at all. Ideally I think for balance a hit with the spear followed by successful explosion should kill the victim outright, but if the spear misses then the splash is not big enough generally to be effective without a direct hit. Ideally I think this weapon would be able to kill armoured's and naked's alike with one good hit. The balance of course can be toyed with. Another idea would be to allow the player that get's hit to potentially have a chance to remove the spear or use a syringe to survive the blast. [B]Pro's[/B] Encourages ambush tactics and gives a boost to lesser armed players Spear throwing is a fun mechanic Affordable whilst also not being the easiest weapon to make Stronger than a pipe shot gun/other short range weapons if there is an effective hit [B]Cons[/B] Short range only Potentially more pricey than similar alternatives like a pipe shotgun which has more utility and can reload easier Similar to the bean can grenade- this is not a raid weapon What do you all think? Be kind :)

I don't see it coming anytime soon in game but in my opinion, I think rust is unique because of the fun it takes to kill someone in different ways, so why not have another one that uses this mechanic

well the Grenade does not explode all the time , it fails so expect the spear to fail on throw lol

Honestly this thing could be something really cool and rewarding if you`re able to hit an enemy since youre able to drop the beancans quite often this could be used quite often. Imagine bombing some Fullgeared with that spear right in the face.

Reminds me of the exploding spears in te mad max game, those where fun.

[QUOTE=SulliG99;50489640]Honestly this thing could be something really cool and rewarding if you`re able to hit an enemy since youre able to drop the beancans quite often this could be used quite often. Imagine bombing some Fullgeared with that spear right in the face.[/QUOTE] pretty rewarding and fun indeed

Arnold would approve.:flex:

I would actually love this concept making it into the game. But some thoughts that occur to me, to keep it balanced: 1) As mentioned earlier, if using a beancan grenade, there should be a moderate chance that the explosives end up being a dud. 2) The explosives should only be triggered upon a certain resistance threshold. Hit a naked, or even the dirt, and only rarely should the explosives go off. Hit armour, stone, concrete, etc. etc. etc., and the explosives are almost guaranteed to go off. This makes strategic aiming very important. 3) The spear, naturally, should not be recoverable should the explosives go off. 4) While the spear is equipped, precision shots should be able to prematurely set the explosives off, killing the wielder. 5) AoE damage should be minor, but instantly cause bleeding. Bleeding can vary, depending on distance.

I'd rather have explosive arrows.

[QUOTE=Junx;50492792]I'd rather have explosive arrows.[/QUOTE] Rambostyle - the nightmare of geared players [video=youtube;9wXxPZUDqAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wXxPZUDqAQ[/video]

[QUOTE=Junx;50492792]I'd rather have explosive arrows.[/QUOTE] uhh shit that could be interesting as fuck but like same as the bullets they would probably have more drop , high damage

Can't we have it so that if you hold the spear when it explodes, you'll get hurt as well, since you're caught in the blast radius? Ofc this should not be lethal to the weilder unless he/she is on pretty low health. It would encourage people to throw the spears more. Btw, I pretty much agree totally with what Leon Garoux wrote(except the 4th point). His idea of the explosive not getting triggered until a certain resistance treshold is reached is pretty genius :)

tier 2 F1 grenade explosive spear is a no brainier then.

Yays

I think it should work more like a water pipe shotgun as it's just one time use instead of being complicated with the duds and making it feel glitchy or ripped off. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bean can grenade let's get creative Newmans!

Would this be an explode on impact or a slight delay?

there should be an delay in my oppinion. like 2 seconds so you can notice that youre fucked

[QUOTE=SulliG99;50525121]there should be an delay in my oppinion. like 2 seconds so you can notice that youre fucked[/QUOTE] Like the *bleep bleep* of the C4, as soon as you hear that thing you start to panic and cry like a baby!

Yes I like all these ideas, I think that it instantly going off, always working and being instakill makes it quite vanilla. Whilst I think that it does need to be capable of killing geared players in one hit, the difficulty of using the weapon and the unreliability I think should balance it. Also being able to see the spear stuck into you with the greande fizzing down would give a nice oshit moment.