How is this admin abuse? - Rust

Ok. I'm an admin on a friend's server. I'm the regular admin. We allow pvp, raiding and all that good stuff. However, we don't tolerate excessive and targeted griefing of newbies. It is rare we have to deal with that so it isn't a big deal. Alright, new player joined. I teleported to him to see what he was up to and to greet him to the server. Bear in mind I'm "naked" without even weapons. I did have godmode on just in case he attacked me. I wasn't there for a fight. He suicided. I teleported again and asked him why. He suicided again. So I continued to be courteous and converse, and he continued to suicide. On his last time he said, "No wonder nobody is on this server with this admin abuse." Then he logged off. So my question, how exactly is this admin abuse? Nonthreatening, trying to talk to him. He doesn't even have a base yet to be worried about me finding it. So I just completely fail to understand what he was on about. Can anyone elaborate?

I'm assuming he was suiciding to get to a specific place on a map, I do that when I'm new to a server because I have a few favorite spots. But you just trying to talk to him isn't admin abuse. Sounds like he was having a bad day.

A lot of players don't want admins teleporting to them because they think that you're just trying to find their base so you can raid it. I always told my players periodically that I do [B]not[/B] play the game on my server and I'm just teleporting around to keep an eye out for hackers. As long as I filled people in they didn't mind. Also, you may want to make yourself stand out more as an admin. Being naked and having godmode on is just asking for someone to shoot at you, not be able to kill you, get pissed and rage. I would put on invisible boots, pants, and shirt so that I was just a floating head wandering around. It made it much more clear that I was just doing my admin thing and I wasn't there to bother anyone. Plus people tend to get a kick out of seeing a floating head.

I don't understand why admins use god mode. I have never enabled it on my server. Invis armor > God mode.

Suppose I could do that. And Warm, I use it in case I need to ban a hacker upon seeing him so as he doesn't use aimbot or such, in case I unwaringly fall off a cliff I wasn't paying enough attention to see, and other such scenarios.

[QUOTE=ArthurSataine;44860506]Suppose I could do that. And Warm, I use it in case I need to ban a hacker upon seeing him so as he doesn't use aimbot or such, in case I unwaringly fall off a cliff I wasn't paying enough attention to see, and other such scenarios.[/QUOTE] I think his point is that godmode isn't really necessary if you have at least 1 piece of invis armor on because it's super crazy strong. I always just turned it on as a habit.

The only damage you can take while in invis armor is from fall damage and hunger. If you want to catch hackers you need to use invis armor.

Caught one last night. But I'll try that method out. More familiar with the map now than I have ever been. So perhaps accidental slips won't occur nearly as often.

[QUOTE=Warm;44860603]The only damage you can take while in invis armor is from fall damage and hunger. If you want to catch hackers you need to use invis armor.[/QUOTE] This isn't necessarily true. I remember we had an event on my old server where I'd put on invis armor except for boots and everyone would try to kill me in a deathmatch. They could do damage to me just fine. Although I do remember there was some weird tweaking and testing we had to do to get it to work right, maybe it was a glitch. But yea, invis armor is a good call if you're just out and about admining your server. Less chance of people calling ADMIN ABOOSE on you.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;44860733]Less chance of people calling ADMIN ABOOSE on you.[/QUOTE] Every time someone calls admin abuse on a server I echo, "admin caboose." Just a random fact, your post made me think of it.

Make sure your players know that you are just an admin and don't play. If you do play then you now have an advantage on him (you know where he is starting/setting up shop). Some people don't want the admins to have this advantage because they are often the highest threat (have the most guns, resources, etc.)

[QUOTE=MastaAron;44860816]Make sure your players know that you are just an admin and don't play. If you do play then you now have an advantage on him (you know where he is starting/setting up shop). Some people don't want the admins to have this advantage because they are often the highest threat (have the most guns, resources, etc.)[/QUOTE] Certainly not what I do. I have a base which I chill in and go about "patrolling" if you will. Most people know I'm one of four admins, and the one most active. I'm thinking this guy just had some sort of issue going on.

Why not just let people be and only teleport to them when they request your assistance?

I think you gotta go invis armor or you're making it look like you are trolling/harassing the guy with your admin powers.

[QUOTE=fix_this_pos;44860856]Why not just let people be and only teleport to them when they request your assistance?[/QUOTE] There a problem with an admin trying to be friendly and welcome people? Not everyone playing online games has to be distant and cold. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Dionysus9;44861047]I think you gotta go invis armor or you're making it look like you are trolling/harassing the guy with your admin powers.[/QUOTE] Other than teleporting, he didn't know I had anything. He would just turn around, look at me, and suicide. Makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;44860733]This isn't necessarily true. I remember we had an event on my old server where I'd put on invis armor except for boots and everyone would try to kill me in a deathmatch. They could do damage to me just fine. Although I do remember there was some weird tweaking and testing we had to do to get it to work right, maybe it was a glitch. But yea, invis armor is a good call if you're just out and about admining your server. Less chance of people calling ADMIN ABOOSE on you.[/QUOTE] They can do damage if they hit you on the part of your body that doesn't have the armor on it. Full invis makes you immune to all damage aside from fall damage and hunger.

[QUOTE=ArthurSataine;44861058]There a problem with an admin trying to be friendly and welcome people? Not everyone playing online games has to be distant and cold. [/QUOTE] Just say hello and welcome. No need to harass the guy. The world of Rust is filled with hackers, bad admins, and other unsavory characters, so anything more than a greeting will be viewed with suspicion.

[QUOTE=fix_this_pos;44861444]Just say hello and welcome. No need to harass the guy. The world of Rust is filled with hackers, bad admins, and other unsavory characters, so anything more than a greeting will be viewed with suspicion.[/QUOTE] It's not harassment. How is an admin supposed to catch those cheaters and unsavory characters if they can't see them? Teleporting to an unsuspecting player is far and away the best way for admins to catch cheaters.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;44861601]It's not harassment. How is an admin supposed to catch those cheaters and unsavory characters if they can't see them? Teleporting to an unsuspecting player is far and away the best way for admins to catch cheaters.[/QUOTE] Eh? Reading his original post, he made it seem like every time a new player joins his server, he teleports over to them and then follows them around. That's rather intrusive.

[QUOTE=fix_this_pos;44861652]Eh? Reading his original post, he made it seem like every time a new player joins his server, he teleports over to them and then follows them around. That's rather intrusive.[/QUOTE] He's an admin, he can do what he likes on his server. It's not your place to say what should/shouldn't happen on his server. I always teleported to new players, too. It's really easy to catch speed hackers right when they join the server because they don't expect to get caught so quickly.

Garry should not allow people to make their own servers. I prefered a lot the game when it was playable on your browser with only official serwers.

[QUOTE=Magik2;44861761]Garry should not allow people to make their own servers. I prefered a lot the game when it was playable on your browser with only official serwers.[/QUOTE] Worst. Idea. Ever.

I remember the days when you needed to install Opera in order to get hardware acceleration, or else you were playing Rust rendering only on the CPU, which made it laggy as fuck. And you had to download the game every time through the webplayer. And you could use Cheat Engine, of all things, to speedhack and fly. And VAC was not even compatible with it, so the only way anyone got banned is if a dev personally witnessed it and banned them. Yup, what good times, we should go back to that.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;44861696]He's an admin, he can do what he likes on his server. It's not your place to say what should/shouldn't happen on his server. I always teleported to new players, too. It's really easy to catch speed hackers right when they join the server because they don't expect to get caught so quickly.[/QUOTE] He made a public post on Rust's community forums requesting an opinion regarding his actions and I'm just sharing my view on this. I would be hesitant to invest my time on a server where an admin started following me around the minute I joined. Maybe he has good intentions or maybe he's just some asshole who gets his kicks off griefing people. If it were my server, I wouldn't bother people. If I had to teleport to them, it would be done in a way that wouldn't let them know I'm there.

I find that no matter what you do or what you have in your rules you will always get players come through that have their own opinions of what admin abuse constitutes. I encourage all the new players to join our steam group which has a bunch of guidelines on what the admin will or wont do. It advises that the admin is not playing the game as a normal player etc. while not in the rules I generally will advise a player first that I am TPing to them, unless they are being unruly or abusive in chat, I either wont bother asking and TP to them or send them to the prison for a short cooldown, whatever the situation calls for. If players think that an admin tping to them legitimately is abuse, you probably dont want them in your server anyway

[QUOTE=Warm;44860603]The only damage you can take while in invis armor is from fall damage and hunger. If you want to catch hackers you need to use invis armor.[/QUOTE] If they are hacking they can see you while you are in your invisible suit. It shows a nameplate above admins even though they can't see you and the aimbot still gets directed towards admins.

[QUOTE=Magik2;44861761]Garry should not allow people to make their own servers. I prefered a lot the game when it was playable on your browser with only official serwers.[/QUOTE] Just to be as asinine in return. Garry should boot people from the game all together for complaining about admins on private servers. lol

[QUOTE=Icenine4459;44867854]If they are hacking they can see you while you are in your invisible suit. It shows a nameplate above admins even though they can't see you and the aimbot still gets directed towards admins.[/QUOTE] Correct but you can change your name to make it really hard to notice. Also makes it much easier to see when someone is aimbotting or esping as they will look at you when you are invisible form medium range.

Teleporting to the player to greet him is stupid.. couldnt you welcome him without going to him? if you wanted to see if he's up to wrong things you should've became invisible

[QUOTE=Crashty;44868217]Teleporting to the player to greet him is stupid.. couldnt you welcome him without going to him? if you wanted to see if he's up to wrong things you should've became invisible[/QUOTE] Agreed. A good admin will use an RCON tool in the first place. I usually just type in chat when I see someone new join in the chat logs.