I feel that Kevlar is to strong. I shot a guy in the face at point blank with a shotgun and he survived, turn around and killed me. I have dropped several shots of an M4 in a player, just for them to survive also. I just feel that Kevlar could use a nerf.
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Armor made to protect against bullets protecting you from bullets? Crazy stuff!
I dont think kevlar is to strong
But its a lot to easy to make.
i mean kevlar never broke doesent cost so much and is strong
For example the rad suit is nearly useless
and it cost nearly as much as kevlar (atleast the last time i looked)
One thing I never understood is why it takes longer to create cloth/leather armour than it does kevlar? All cloth/leather takes 30 seconds each, and all kevlar is 20 seconds (except pants I think). Personally kevlar is a bit OP for what you use to build it, literally takes 40 ore which anyone can get in under 5 minutes with a pickaxe. Maybe if it was about 300-350 ore it would be better.
[QUOTE=hazik666;42764840]One thing I never understood is why it takes longer to create cloth/leather armour than it does kevlar? All cloth/leather takes 30 seconds each, and all kevlar is 20 seconds (except pants I think). Personally kevlar is a bit OP for what you use to build it, literally takes 40 ore which anyone can get in under 5 minutes with a pickaxe. Maybe if it was about 300-350 ore it would be better.[/QUOTE]
300 ore is A LOT lol. I'd be okay if they made it like 100 ore, (600 fragments) versus 300 ore (1800 fragments) o.O
Kevlar to OP....RIGHT...........SMDH!
You people do know the purpose behind kevlar right? I've seen plates shot 5-8 times and not a single through shot.
A simple fix for it could be allowed different VERSIONS of kevlar. You have your basic frag/small arms kelvar then you have those that can with stand a high powered rifle.
i would like this 300 or more ore but it would be a bit unbalanced agein because all other things would be a lot cheaper and if you take the metal you need for the armor you can make eneught ammo spam somebody from 100 metter down
so 100 ore is better
(or make all things harder that is wath i would like)
[QUOTE=hazik666;42764840]One thing I never understood is why it takes longer to create cloth/leather armour than it does kevlar? All cloth/leather takes 30 seconds each, and all kevlar is 20 seconds (except pants I think). Personally kevlar is a bit OP for what you use to build it, literally takes 40 ore which anyone can get in under 5 minutes with a pickaxe. Maybe if it was about [B]300-350 ore[/B] it would be better.[/QUOTE]
Dafaq? :pwn:
Where do you know of that spawns that amount of ore in just two game days(2 hours last I checked the cycles)??????
All it needs is the same treatment the M4 got which is a higher cost,yes its powerfull but it also shouldn't be something you can afford losing too much.
Yhea and stackmoney86 if you realy farm ( and you are in a less populatet area) you can get 40 ores fast thats around 6 rocks and sometimes i get 10 rocks or more before i even return to my house
The damage reduction that a full kevlar set gives is fine to me; it's alot weaker than you think, I've been killed in, what it felt for like me, under 3 seconds from a single guy; ranging from guys with pistols to M4s.
[B][U]Also, another note is that in full kevlar; [/U][/B]
[I]- ONE shot from a pipe shotgun at close range to the chest brings you down to around 10-25 hp, a headshot kills you in one shot. (The one time I remember, I had 13 hp left after being hit once from below.)
- Six (6) shots from a P250 pistol hitting in random places also kills somebody wearing full kevlar.
- Three (3) hits with a pickaxe kills you.
- 2-3 hits with bow and arrow kills you aswell.
*Note; none of these are numbers taken from any site, but personal experience. So the claims may be wrong... slightly.*[/I]
I do agree however that they're somewhat too easy to make, but the protection they bring is alright in my opinion. What makes these people look invincible are not the kevlar, but the medkits and food they consume during the fight.
I don't see that as I problem either (I like how fights work in rust atm) but maybe make the materials required to craft either of these higher?
Seems like you should run slower if you are wearing clothes made out of all that metal. Course, you don't run slower carrying all that stuff, either.
That's the problem with the 'realism' debates, once you pull on a thread, it's hard to stop until the whole darn sweater lies in a heap on the floor.
[QUOTE=Stackmoney86;42765053]Kevlar to OP....RIGHT...........SMDH!
You people do know the purpose behind kevlar right? I've seen plates shot 5-8 times and not a single through shot.
A simple fix for it could be allowed different VERSIONS of kevlar. You have your basic frag/small arms kelvar then you have those that can with stand a high powered rifle.[/QUOTE]
But the armor as shown in game clearly is not the kind you might see on military personnel filled with plates to provide that extra protection. It looks like regular clothing just obviously made out of Kevlar. That kind of "armor" would only even stand a chance at stopping very small arms fire like the 9mm. An M4 would rip through it like it was nothing and the impact alone from shotgun fire (at close range) would be enough to kill the person wearing the Kevlar.
As for the issue of Kevlar's balance in the game, it seems fine to me. You have to farm for quite some time to get the bps for a full set and anyone can run up to a guy in full Kevlar with a couple pipe shotguns and instantly murder them. It's hardly an ultimate form of protection in the game.
As to the guy that claimed rad suits were useless, you're crazy. It provides enough rad protection to let you practically live in high radiation areas without having to worry about dieing in there. If you mean it's useless for combat then of course it is. It's a radiation suit, not battle armor.
What needs to be done is to make armor degrade. Continuing to raise the crafting cost only makes it detrimental for players starting out. This way, everyone can get some armor, but it doesn't last forever.
Yhea the give good protection vs rad but i meaned that you need kevlar a lot more than you need rad suits (you can loot nearly all rad town easy witout rad suit and living in there is a thing i hate its just anoing if you are in a rad town but cant loot because all houses have walls and doors in the entrances)
and i would still say ( and i think most others too) that rad suit is weaker/not as important than kevlar but it has nearly the same cost
[QUOTE=1jman6;42765037]300 ore is A LOT lol. I'd be okay if they made it like 100 ore, (600 fragments) versus 300 ore (1800 fragments) o.O[/QUOTE]
:pwn: last time I check 100 ore = 400metal frags, where are you getting 100 ore is 600?
you get 4 frags per ore..
On the other hand I do think Kevlar needs more frags to make it b/c you can easily go out 1 day 1 night cycle and have over 250+ frags and for a full set of kevlar you need just 1 stack of 250...
[QUOTE=LittleDanny;42766816]Yhea the give good protection vs rad but i meaned that you need kevlar a lot more than you need rad suits (you can loot nearly all rad town easy witout rad suit and living in there is a thing i hate its just anoing if you are in a rad town but cant loot because all houses have walls and doors in the entrances)
and i would still say ( and i think most others too) that rad suit is weaker/not as important than kevlar but it has nearly the same cost[/QUOTE]
Well, I suppose that depends on what resources you have available. A rad suit could be well worth the cost if you plan to hit several extreme rad areas in a short period of time and don't have many rad pills. It's also useful for providing you a way to deal with larger numbers of bandits by letting you outlast them in those same extreme rad areas.
Overall, Kevlar is obviously more useful simply because it provides the best protection in combat (which you're likely to see often in this game) but considering what it protects you from; it makes sense for a rad suit to be costly.
As for your point on people living in a rad town, I completely agree with you there. Doors/walls placed over any building/area where boxes spawn is a giant pain and something I think they should find a way to patch out of the game entirely. I wasn't suggesting anyone actually SHOULD live in a rad area but rather I was pointing out that the rad suit provides a ridiculous amount of radiation protection.
Meant 300-350 fragments :dance:
Its not too strong. You didn't shoot him in the face or you have crappy aim, because I have been killed with one shotgun hit before with full kev on. Also it is super hard to find blueprints for and costs a shit ton of metal.
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On another note I really hope they make Kevlar look like actual Kevlar soon because right now it looks like a black and silver shirt, some sweatpants, and a hat. I mean hot damn it works pretty well for the Punisher but still...
The radsuit also needs to look more badass. Gasmasks anyone? Go all Metro on this motherfucker garry
[QUOTE=KluKluxKid;42769890]Its not too strong. You didn't shoot him in the face or you have crappy aim, because I have been killed with one shotgun hit before with full kev on. Also it is super hard to find blueprints for and costs a shit ton of metal.
[editline]5th November 2013[/editline]
On another note I really hope they make Kevlar look like actual Kevlar soon because right now it looks like a black and silver shirt, some sweatpants, and a hat. I mean hot damn it works pretty well for the Punisher but still...
The radsuit also needs to look more badass. Gasmasks anyone? Go all Metro on this motherfucker garry[/QUOTE]
I got the hit marker. Unless it lied to me, I clearly hit him.
Maybe it should just make you move a little slower
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wrong thread shit
Considering that you can easily kill full kevlars with P250's, I don't see this needing a nerf.
[QUOTE=firestrike9;42765168]All it needs is the same treatment the M4 got which is a higher cost,yes its powerfull but it also shouldn't be something you can afford losing too much.[/QUOTE]
This makes it even harder to lone wolfs and newbies. Doesn't bother me because I'm usually with other people and its easy for us to get. But I can see how daunting it must be for some people to see kev guys running at them with M4s med kits barricades 250 ammo 60 food ect ect
Most people don't stand a chance xD
Only advice I can give is join a clan/keep out of the popular areas until you get geared as well :P
[editline]6th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daniel Munoz;42770236]Maybe it should just make you move a little slower[/QUOTE]
Yup means naked can get away and kev guys have to commit!
Personaly kev is relatively easy to make but I don't think it is OP by any means. I have killed many kv guys as a noob bambi. Its nothing to do with armor but AIM. 2 head shots and they are dead its not that hard if you have a the higher ground in the battle. it just means when you fight a kev guy make sure you see them before they see you. Sneaky sneaky.
Shot guns are OP if you see a guy in kevlar hide behind a tree and lure them to you, shoot and hide behind the tree.
I'v killed plenty of people with kevlar and I'm naked with a shotgun.
[QUOTE=Ethan2Fast;42775895]Shot guns are OP if you see a guy in kevlar hide behind a tree and lure them to you, shoot and hide behind the tree.
I'v killed plenty of people with kevlar and I'm naked with a shotgun.[/QUOTE]
Christ...
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