[Suggestion] Give first time users SOME control over their appearance. - Rust

I love the randomizing of the appearance, and how you look is based on your steam ID. But I doubt that some players want to be a certain gender or race. I know I wouldn't want to be a female. I have nothing against females but IRL I'm a caucasian male. And in most games, I'd like a character that resembles myself somewhat. I'm sure I am not the only one. Here's the suggestion: Give new (possibly current? :O) players the option to pick two things: race and gender. For example, an Asian female, or an African male.

[URL="http://playrust.com/devblog-69/"]Devblog 69[/URL] [QUOTE]To clear up some confusion, when we it does go live [B]you won’t get a choice of whether you’re female or male. We’re not “taking the choice away” from you. You never had a choice. [/B]A man’s voice coming out of a woman’s body is no more weird than an 8 year-old boy’s voice coming out of a man’s body.[/QUOTE]

Maybe rather them changing [U]their[/U] game to suit [B]your[/B] needs, maybe you should just play a game that is already more inline with your needs?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48504995][URL="http://playrust.com/devblog-69/"]Devblog 69[/URL][/QUOTE] as he said its suggestion. im acutally with him charecter customazation would be a great addtion to rust. if its possible why not add it ? . its another thing that could be added to the already amazing game . also id like to make my penis bigger. im male again . but i still have a small penis .

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48504995][URL="http://playrust.com/devblog-69/"]Devblog 69[/URL][/QUOTE] That quote literally highlights a good point, Garry evaded answering why he's making the decision in the first place. Why are we getting denied the choice to customize our appearance?

[QUOTE=Kurogo;48506477]That quote literally highlights a good point, Garry evaded answering why he's making the decision in the first place. Why are we getting denied the choice to customize our appearance?[/QUOTE] Probably to make it easier to tell players apart at a glance through what's essentially forced variety, rather having the majority of players congregate towards certain customization options.

[QUOTE=Kurogo;48506477]That quote literally highlights a good point, Garry evaded answering why he's making the decision in the first place. Why are we getting denied the choice to customize our appearance?[/QUOTE] garry has stated that he wants to avoid the long delay that typically occurs when presented with a character customization screen. In some games, you can spend more time in the customization screen than playing the game. This way, it's done and over with and you just get straight into the action. It also promotes a certain minimum of diversity in selections. I remember hearing about how the South Korean WoW servers were Alliance 9:1 before blood elves were added because everyone wanted to play "pretty" characters and the Horde races pretty much had none, which led to extreme imbalances in the server economies. Obviously, Rust doesn't have an economy problem if people could pick their skin colour and nobody chose black people, but stunted variety is very real.

I can't speak for everyone, but even with my meager 550 hours of playtime, 15-30 minutes on a customization screen wouldn't even be a drop in the playtime hat. as far as diversity goes, if it truly didn't have a bearing on the game, leaving the choice of diversity to players wouldn't seem to affect anything then either. So why deny players the freedom to choose?

There [B][I][U]WILL NOT[/U][/I][/B] be [B][I][U]ANY[/U][/I][/B] character customisation and that's that. The way your character looks makes [B][I][U]NO[/U][/I][/B] difference to gameplay [B][I][U]AT ALL[/U][/I][/B]. People who aren't happy with how they look are basically Rasist and people who want to look like they do in real life are self obsessed. The end.

[QUOTE=Kurogo;48507246]So why deny players the freedom to choose?[/QUOTE] Because it's [I]more interesting[/I] when the choice is determined by your Steam ID, a semi-random unique identifier. Rust is a game, and garry is doing different things from the norm; Rust is already a unique game even though it has a certain amount of overlap with other fps survival titles. It also means you won't see this kind of shit: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FsiCtBx.png[/IMG] Notice how the female model's head is as small as possible, with a correspondingly small hitbox.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48507580]Because it's [I]more interesting[/I] when the choice is determined by your Steam ID, a semi-random unique identifier. Rust is a game, and garry is doing different things from the norm; Rust is already a unique game even though it has a certain amount of overlap with other fps survival titles. It also means you won't see this kind of shit: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FsiCtBx.png[/IMG] Notice how the female model's head is as small as possible, with a correspondingly small hitbox.[/QUOTE] The constraints an body part sizes are easily adjusted, so avoiding the misproportions of that picture are entirely possible. They already exist in Rust anyways (remember the guy with T-rex arms?). I'd also like to point out that the 3 people in that picture show more diversity than many have claimed would exist.

[QUOTE=Flashy;48505684]as he said its suggestion. im acutally with him charecter customazation would be a great addtion to rust. if its possible why not add it ? . its another thing that could be added to the already amazing game . also id like to make my penis bigger. im male again . but i still have a small penis .[/QUOTE] Because then Rust would become more like literally every other game of its type ever

[QUOTE=Kurogo;48506477]That quote literally highlights a good point, Garry evaded answering why he's making the decision in the first place. Why are we getting denied the choice to customize our appearance?[/QUOTE] because it's his game and he doesn't want us to have the choice to customise our appearance? seriously, it's pretty straight forward kurogo mate;)

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48509094]because it's his game and he doesn't want us to have the choice to customise our appearance? seriously, it's pretty straight forward[/QUOTE] Not really. Quoting Garry from 6 months ago (like Elix does) and then making up your own interpretation of what he said is pretty useless. Nothing is set in stone, obviously. The game is in Alpha. People saying nothing will change, and we will never get any character customization choices, are just making this up. I agree with the idea that we should get some choice.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48509509]Not really. Quoting Garry from 6 months ago (like Elix does) and then making up your own interpretation of what he said is pretty useless. Nothing is set in stone, obviously. The game is in Alpha. People saying nothing will change, and we will never get any character customization choices, are just making this up. I agree with the idea that we should get some choice.[/QUOTE] well to be fair, i'm not quoting him but interpreting the current state of things ie a lack of choice, and considering the fact that he said that he doesn't want it. and yeah, could change 1 minute after i post this, but regardless of what decisions he makes, they are his not ours to make.

Makes sense about "interpreting the current state of things ie a lack of choice" and why it is like it is. Who knows how it will change. FP wants feedback. We don't make decisions about the game, but we influence it a lot. Which is why feedback on the game is incredibly useful, such as the OP asking for choices in how the character looks.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48509509]Not really. Quoting Garry from 6 months ago (like Elix does) and then making up your own interpretation of what he said is pretty useless. Nothing is set in stone, obviously. The game is in Alpha. People saying nothing will change, and we will never get any character customization choices, are just making this up. I agree with the idea that we should get some choice.[/QUOTE] Things may change, given that they change in a way that fits into the overall vision of the game. Players not having a choice of their characters is actually a core construct of the game. Garry feels that this will cause more emergent gameplay. There will be more game features that go along with this. So the implementation may change like players not having names and you have to set their names VS players have names but are only displayed once you become more familiar, but the core idea behind it stands true. And it isn't just 1 isolated time Garry has expressed this. [url]http://www.pcgamer.com/rust-penises-patch/[/url] [QUOTE]Players have to live with and accept who they are. They are recognizable, so more gameplay mechanics emerge.[/QUOTE] He has been fairly consistent with how he envisions this working in Rust.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48506845] In some games, you can spend more time in the customization screen than playing the game. [/QUOTE] Elix, this is bullshit and untrue. Stop repeating it. The only game where you spend longer in the character creation screen would be a game called "Character creator roleplayer". Other than that, it is a complete, absolute, 100% bullshit lazy excuse.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48509094]because it's his game and he doesn't want us to have the choice to customise our appearance? seriously, it's pretty straight forward kurogo mate;)[/QUOTE] That's a fair enough answer, but likewise we can hope that he'll change his mind. Just as I support server owners being free to run servers however they want, or players playing however they want (excluding cheaters), even if I don't agree with their reasons to do so, I'll always support more freedom of choice in this game. It's one of the things I love most about it.

We need makeup from minerals and mud to mimic other races. Let the mimicing and deception begin.

[QUOTE=Kurogo;48514936]That's a fair enough answer, but likewise we can hope that he'll change his mind. [/QUOTE] Don't believe it when players say they know what Garry's mind is. Who knows what his thoughts are on this, or if he has really decided there will never be any choice in characters. I would bet Garry is open to different possibilities. Some players in Rust always tell us they know what Rust is supposed to be (more PvP, less PvP, mainly PVE, survival, etc) and usually it is just something made up based on what they want in the game. They take some words from an old post or dev blog to and use they to tell other player that something will never happen in a game that is in Alpha and still evolving. Example, Elix has no interest in character customization, so he tell us Facepunch will never do this (which of course he does not know). [B]We have never had a Facepunch staff tell us that there will never be any choices in character customization.[/B] The game is still evolving - everything is possible, unless we get a direct statement that there will never be X in the game.

Even though I'm hopeful Garry will change his mind, I've read the same articles and posts Elix has, and that I interpret it as, he isn't planning to include it anytime soon, if ever. The reason I jump in on these threads is because so many people come up with these ridiculous arguments on why it shouldn't exist, when in all actuality it wouldn't affect their game in the slightest because most of them don't even care what they look like. I may not like the some of the reasons some of the supporters have, such as the racism or sexism, but those are inherent thorns that come with freedom. Not everyone that wants this freedom is racist or sexist, we just think it would be a better game with it.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48520830][B]We have never had a Facepunch staff tell us that there will never be any choices in character customization.[/B] The game is still evolving - everything is possible, unless we get a direct statement that there will never be X in the game.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=garry]when we it does go live you won’t get a choice of whether you’re female or male. We’re not “taking the choice away” from you. You never had a choice.[/QUOTE] i agree that no-one knows if it will change in the future. but we HAVE been told that for now there will be no choice.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;48522165]but we HAVE been told that for now there will be no choice.[/QUOTE] not at all. show where FP has said this. The often quoted and misinterpreted statement does not say this AND is many months old.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48522253]not at all. show where FP has said this. The often quoted and misinterpreted statement does not say this AND is many months old.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=garry][B][U]We’re not “taking the choice away” from you. You never had a choice.[/U][/B][/QUOTE] Devblog 69, from the 16th of July (not months ago), as quoted above. it's pretty safe to infer that if he doesn't intend to give us the ability to choose our gender, then race etc are unlikely to be offered either. and just to cover all angles, i'm pretty sure garry speaks for FP. As i said, it may change. but right now, it's not a choice we are being afforded. anyone who feels otherwise is welcome to complain, but really has no say in the issue.

The thing with this is although I don't really think there's any problems with not being able to choose your race or junk size, not being able to choose your sex is crossing the line into a little bit weird, IMO. Granted if you gave the option a bunch of men would just pick it anyway so it really doesn't matter all THAT much

I can only quote garry from six months ago because he hasn't made any statements reconfirming his intentions since then. He hasn't changed his mind or felt the need to repeat himself for cinderstar's benefit. But there've also been threads like this consistently since garry first announced and released the character variety without customization options, and he hasn't once stated he'd be changing his policy to allow character customization. cinderstar just refuses to face facts. :poot:

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48523704]He hasn't changed his mind [/QUOTE] Yeah, keep on pretending you know what Garry thinks, and Keep on saying a statement made only about race defines his view on sex and other things added to Rust after he said this. Sex wasn't even in the game when he wrote that. You have to look at the context to understand what he was saying. He was only responding to players asking for the ability to change their race. I could easily go back and find old statements by Garry about how nothing is set in the game and everything is open to change, but picking out quotes - out of context - to support my own made up views is just stupid.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;48523913]Yeah, keep on pretending you know what Garry thinks, and Keep on saying a statement made only about race defines his view on sex and other things added to Rust after he said this. [B][U]Sex wasn't even in the game when he wrote that.[/U] You have to look at the context to understand what he was saying. He was only responding to players asking for the ability to change their race.[/B] I could easily go back and find old statements by Garry about how nothing is set in the game and everything is open to change, but picking out quotes - out of context - to support my own made up views is just stupid.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://playrust.com/devblog-69/"]Devblog 69[/URL], which I quoted at the top of this thread, [B]is about the fucking female model[/b]. :v: [QUOTE]To clear up some confusion, when we it does go live [B]you won’t get a choice of whether you’re female or male. We’re not “taking the choice away” from you. You never had a choice. [/B]A man’s voice coming out of a woman’s body is no more weird than an 8 year-old boy’s voice coming out of a man’s body.[/QUOTE] Please tell me if you are actually a functionally-illiterate adult, because if that's true I'd like to know so I don't mock you for a serious affliction.

The only time I've seen garry change his mind was when there was a large outcry from like 90% of the forum. Usually he sticks to his plans. And adding customization won't change anything from a dev's point. There are no game issues with it, so he really has no need to change it.