So i can build shit loads on cupboards in 1x1 level 6 houses around the map to piss people off? - Rust

Nice. I imagine many people doing this which will be a more annoying problem than the one Garry's trying to fix by adding them. By the way I felt the following was out of character for Garry to say - (in the comments on reddit, regarding cupboards): " In this case it's to prevent a very specific thing, players building ladders/stairs on your house to gain access." ( [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/2ld6c7/tool_cupboard_allow_only_you_or_your_friends_to/[/url] ) I thought Garry was all about Rust being a game where players were free to do whatever they wanted, whuch would ofcourse include being able to build onto people's bases and any other evil shit you could think of.

50m isn't much distance, considering the sound in game travels over 200m.

Why would it piss people off if you build a cupboard on their 1x1? They're obviously not going to expand anymore on it if it's a 1x1, and even if they wanted to why couldn't they just cupboard up their own base before you get the chance?

Somehow you were not able to grasp that what I meant was you build the 1x1 level six base yourself, and put the cupboard in side of them.

[QUOTE=jokerz;46416841]Nice. I imagine many people doing this which will be a more annoying problem than the one Garry's trying to fix by adding them. By the way I felt the following was out of character for Garry to say - (in the comments on reddit, regarding cupboards): " In this case it's to prevent a very specific thing, players building ladders/stairs on your house to gain access." ( [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/2ld6c7/tool_cupboard_allow_only_you_or_your_friends_to/[/url] ) I thought Garry was all about Rust being a game where players were free to do whatever they wanted, whuch would ofcourse include being able to build onto people's bases and any other evil shit you could think of.[/QUOTE] If you're going to quote him why dont you quote it all. he also says he doesn't like such systems and hopefully will come up with a alternative later. "Players don't really own this though. You can still break into someone's house and destroy or clear their tool cupboard so you're the only person allowed to build. It's true that I don't like these systems, and I want to avoid them wherever we can. In this case it's to prevent a very specific thing, players building ladders/stairs on your house to gain access. It's a problem I'm hoping we'll solve some other way further down the line that might make this system redundant. But in the meantime this serves to make the game playable, and lets us add building components like ladders without worrying that they'll be easily exploited." Remember we are testing a game here and so is he.

I think hes saying cover the map with his 1x1's with a cupboard inside each to stop other people building, but here's the shit part of that plan, the map is 8000m x 8000m- 20~% water that's still 50,000 square meters to cover that space with cupboards which have a 50 meter radius would take about 6,000 bases, that's some going.

i could build 6,000 bases in five minutes brah

I agree with you jokerz but i dont see it being a problem in the sense that someones going to build cupboards all over the map. I think it will most likely be that people are just going to make a wide radius around their base with a lot of them in multiple 1x1's so that you either just raid the house through the bottom floor or you go through and try to break into all the 1x1' so you can build around it. This will mean tall buildings will be the optimal anti raiding base since no one will be able to build up your sides. Which I don't really agree with. It seems like none of this would really be an issue if they had more levels of defense for houses other then just walls and doors. I know they have traps and other things planned for the future. I think the testers can wait and just keep the game the way it is. It isn't really that hard to build a base that is incredibly difficult or at least time consuming to raid. You can still reinforce walls with multiple walls back to back, you can make a maze of doors now with the key codes. You can build wide or tall. There is plenty to do to make your house a difficult raid. I feel like if garry eliminates the different ways to raid and the creativness that people use to come up with raiding houses then it will also take the need away for people to create unique and difficult bases to raid. I feel like that is a huge aspect to this game currently.

Wait, is this actually a thing or just a suggestion? I'd say a tool cabinet would need to quite expensive. Wood, metal, maybe some stone or animal fat. More power to ya if you want to go around wasting like that. Just go around making 1x1 level 6 buildings right now. That would be pretty annoying on its own without ownership.

You can also destroy the bases! So no one will be able to occupy the entire map. If some tard places a bunch of cupboards in boxes destroy the wall and the cupboard and your good to go

This seems like a [I]really [/I]arbitrary thing to bitch about.

Yup but thats what these forums are all about usually lol [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] I like this change actually, now windows will have some value on upper floors other than being points of access for theives and greifers

I wonder if this is meant to provide 50 meters of protection in all directions (including up) so that it makes a bubble around it, or just out radially and makes a cylinder of protection extending infinitely up to the sky?

[QUOTE=halfhand2012;46417612]Yup but thats what these forums are all about usually lol [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] I like this change actually, now windows will have some value on upper floors other than being points of access for theives and greifers[/QUOTE] Thing is garry has also added window bars again so the cupboard is not needed to protect windows in the sense you're talking. [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BateMaster;46417498]Wait, is this actually a thing or just a suggestion? I'd say a tool cabinet would need to quite expensive. Wood, metal, maybe some stone or animal fat. More power to ya if you want to go around wasting like that. Just go around making 1x1 level 6 buildings right now. That would be pretty annoying on its own without ownership.[/QUOTE] Yes it cost 1,000 wood it says on the admin item site [url]http://admin.playrust.com/item/edit/14269/[/url]

[QUOTE=BateMaster;46417498]Wait, is this actually a thing or just a suggestion? I'd say a tool cabinet would need to quite expensive. Wood, metal, maybe some stone or animal fat. More power to ya if you want to go around wasting like that. Just go around making 1x1 level 6 buildings right now. That would be pretty annoying on its own without ownership.[/QUOTE] I agree. If it is expensive enough it shouldn't be a problem. Also if someone makes a 1 by 1 house 51 meters away and their cabinet overlap fields with yours, they shouldn't be able to place it unless they have placing permissions from you..

I had not heard about the window bars, more good news :-)

Next thing you know griefers will be walking around looking to see if they can place a foundation near other bases. If they can, they'll put one of these in it and block the original home builder from doing anything else to their base.

As one of the few here that has played a game with such a system, jokerz is absolutely right. Even HUGE maps get filled with claims/flags/cupboards quickly. It also going to make it craptastic looking with people using 1X1 with cupboards in the place of using pillars in the old rust. If Garry wants to address this, he would be better off waiting until he has a better system versus putting this seemingly bandaid down now.

[QUOTE] In this case it's to prevent a very specific thing, players building ladders/stairs on your house to gain access. It's a problem I'm hoping we'll solve some other way further down the line that might make this system redundant.[/QUOTE] Lol. That problem was already solved in legacy - by building foundations with pillars around your house. But someone making stupid choises again (like the locked backpacks, keys, blueprint selling idea)... quess what will happen with another one of these? Of course it's way easier to just let people magically "own" everything around, then teach noobs how to use brains in making their house secured. Now you will say "hello" to the 20-th floor towers with cupboard on top.

Wow i cant believe rust has coming to this first people complain about the locks, then people building walls in front of doors and now there is a imaginary bubble that protects ur base. Why is it that good games always fall victum to people that cant accept the game for what it is. The game is going down the wrong path. If u take the risk of loss out of a survival style game how can it even be considered survival. Griefing is going to happen... People need to learn and evolve the way they play to avoid being griefed and try again. yes lifes not fair grow up and move on.

Yes there is no question players are going to attempt to utilize this in a way that wasn't intended as a significant portion of todays player base is more interested in causing other players grief than playing by the intended rules. That being said anyone building a house for themselves is going to place one of these in their building so other players will be unable to build a foundation within 50m and add a cupboard to block them. Granted new players are going to learn about this the hard way sometimes but they'll learn and it provides some means with which to protect yourself from a significant portion of griefing.

[QUOTE=oXYnary;46418250]As one of the few here that has played a game with such a system, jokerz is absolutely right. Even HUGE maps get filled with claims/flags/cupboards quickly. It also going to make it craptastic looking with people using 1X1 with cupboards in the place of using pillars in the old rust. If Garry wants to address this, he would be better off waiting until he has a better system versus putting this seemingly bandaid down now.[/QUOTE] I saw Garry was working on a support socket for construction. If it is actually a physical ingame socket he is working on, I wonder if he will use it to figure out roughly how wide a building is by viewing how many foundations are socketed together to make a rough approximation for the size of the protection radius for the tool cabinet.

Everyone is missing the point these tool cupboards are now the target inside your house or the 1x1 box. Get ready for wall bashing. If its expensive enough to build it should limit the amount people can claim. Also the claim is temporary, if your cupboard gets destroyed someone else will own your base

its 1,000 wood to build currently and if someone gets inside your house why would they need to destroy the cupboard, im not saying they wont but i don't know why they'd go specifically after that. Once they get inside your base the cupboard no longer serves a purpose for the house owner. The enemy has breached your base. I really don't think the cupboard is necessary, i like the fact that i have to be creative and make my base unraidable.

[QUOTE=oXYnary;46418250]As one of the few here that has played a game with such a system, jokerz is absolutely right. Even HUGE maps get filled with claims/flags/cupboards quickly. It also going to make it craptastic looking with people using 1X1 with cupboards in the place of using pillars in the old rust. If Garry wants to address this, he would be better off waiting until he has a better system versus putting this seemingly bandaid down now.[/QUOTE] I had a solution I posted [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/2ld6c7/tool_cupboard_allow_only_you_or_your_friends_to/cltxhru"]here[/URL] (and [URL="https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/530095551824801792"]here[/URL]) to only allow frames to attach to frames. Players would be required to tear walls/foundations down to the frame before they can expand. But sounds like it isn't going to be possible to implement. We'll just have to wait until the new system is out. They might be getting rid of the frames? I dunno. I hope Garry gets an amazing idea in his dreams tonight because this one is a hard pill to swallow... and I have defended some of the more hated systems.

I somehow doubt he actually means to block the stairs. Maybe he wants to stop the golden walls in front of doors epidemic (that's gained ground since people didn't instantly have your house after one kill) without giving it attention. If some griefer builds 1x1's all over the map? Then he worked for it. If he spends some time beating down your wall? He worked for it. If he placed a couple walls while you were offline? Then he wasted hours of your life for minutes of his. I don't like imaginary rules either, but the tradeoff is just too good for griefers to pass up apparently.

Another note, I am sure the 1000 wood for the cabinet is a placeholder value. Garry just wants to see how bad we can abuse it.

[QUOTE=YMIHere;46418656]I somehow doubt he actually means to block the stairs. Maybe he wants to stop the golden walls in front of doors epidemic (that's gained ground since people didn't instantly have your house after one kill) without giving it attention. If some griefer builds 1x1's all over the map? Then he worked for it. If he spends some time beating down your wall? He worked for it. If he placed a couple walls while you were offline? Then he wasted hours of your life for minutes of his. I don't like imaginary rules either, but the tradeoff is just too good for griefers to pass up apparently.[/QUOTE] Worked for it? Is that seriously your justification? I really do hope people fill the map you play on 1X1. We will see your simplification bears out when you end up having to spend 4X longer to tear down than they did to put up.

[QUOTE=halfhand2012;46418454]Everyone is missing the point these tool cupboards are now the target inside your house or the 1x1 box. Get ready for wall bashing. If its expensive enough to build it should limit the amount people can claim. Also the claim is temporary, if your cupboard gets destroyed someone else will own your base[/QUOTE] I think they would own the right to build onto your house, i do not think it would give them access to your doors key code. So they would still need to break your doors down etc. But i guess we can't know for sure.

I'm not one of those guys who insists on absolute realism but this is ridiculous-- how is a tool cabinet going to stop someone from building stairs or ladders? I understand this is a "building permission" issue and its intended as a game mechanic and not necessarily an aspect of a realistic survival simulation, but I think the ability to build unscalable skyscrapers would ruin the balance of the game. Everyone would just build up and have tall unassailable bases. Once you went high enough, all your stuff would be safe from raiders-- especially with no C-4. This seems like a terrible idea in my opinion.