Why the servers are being DDOSed - Rust

Many of you know that the servers are being DDOSed and some of you know why for the people who don't know its a group of skids (script kiddies) using a packet program they downloaded off the internet. The reason for this DDOS like one of the skids said was "Fix your anticheat and ill fix your servers". Im not sure if the game has a anticheat and if it does its not that god but that is no reason for people to DDOS it but some people just don't understand this game is in alpha i guess. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("crap thread/stop feeding the trolls" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Danifer;42598243]Many of you know that the servers are being DDOSed and some of you know why for the people who don't know its a group of skids (script kiddies) using a packet program they downloaded off the internet. The reason for this DDOS like one of the skids said was "Fix your anticheat and ill fix your servers". Im not sure if the game has a anticheat and if it does its not that god but that is no reason for people to DDOS it but some people just don't understand this game is in alpha i guess.[/QUOTE] I don't doubt the reasoning... I would however like to see the source behind this statement. Where have they posted that message about the hacking being the cause? Just for my own reference.

Primus has a point about needing the source. for all i know its just some but hurt kid that got banned or burned either ingame or on the forums

it does not matter why they are doing it. the point is that their doing it and it needs to stop. how is anyone supposed to test the game and point out its issues to be fixed if it cant be played. it really annoying and ddos protection is not hard to find. when will rust be on the steam servers? that will solve this problem.

[QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598489]I don't doubt the reasoning... I would however like to see the source behind this statement. Where have they posted that message about the hacking being the cause? Just for my own reference.[/QUOTE] There was a thread made indicating that this would happen due to the lack of movement against cheaters. It was deleted and junked after like 40 replies, I still have the link to the thread but it's gone. The username was "dirtyghettog" I believe, and the servers were down at the time of his thread. [b]EDIT[/b] This is the most I have of it, from the link - [url]http://puu.sh/4VTuR/e08dd328e1.png[/url] (image)

there was a thread about it yesterday i do believe but it was removed

[QUOTE=bru;42598699]There was a thread made indicating that this would happen due to the lack of movement against cheaters. It was deleted and junked after like 40 replies, I still have the link to the thread but it's gone. The username was "dirtyghettog" I believe, and the servers were down at the time of his thread. [b]EDIT[/b] This is the most I have of it, from the link - [url]http://puu.sh/4VTuR/e08dd328e1.png[/url] (image)[/QUOTE] Thanks for that. Funny, because that dirtyghetto character was a reported hacker on the forums. Haha. I wonder why he would want that fixed when he was responsible for it as well.

I have a screenshot of the post before it got deleted cause I was reading it for lawls as it got deleted and my friend wanted to see it. I do not want to post it here in fear that I might get in trouble. If they deleted it I am sure they want it to stay gone but I can assure you the post was VERY straight forward. The guy was using a (supposed) hackers name and basically said he had the power to stop the Ddos but that first the Devs would have to work on the hacking problem. He demanded that one of the Devs (to which he did not even know was a Dev) get in contact with the dev team to fix it. Then the dev banned him for reason foot made contact with your ass :) Which I laughed about. Regardless of the peoples problem with the current testing phase of the game and wanting a released game during an alpha stage (which is already silly in its self) this is no way to go about getting what you want. It only slows down production and forces the Devs to NOT deal with the problems the person Ddosing is complaining about but instead the Ddos its self. Creating a counter productive environment and then demanding more productivity is just the epitome of retarded.

[QUOTE=Danifer;42598243]Many of you know that the servers are being DDOSed and some of you know why for the people who don't know its a group of skids (script kiddies) using a packet program they downloaded off the internet. The reason for this DDOS like one of the skids said was "Fix your anticheat and ill fix your servers". Im not sure if the game has a anticheat and if it does its not that god but that is no reason for people to DDOS it but some people just don't understand this game is in alpha i guess.[/QUOTE] The Dos'ing/DDoS'ing won't stop until Garry actually invests in some protection, Or at least hides the IP (too late now he'd have to change it aswell)

[QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598804]Thanks for that. Funny, because that dirtyghetto character was a reported hacker on the forums. Haha. I wonder why he would want that fixed when he was responsible for it as well.[/QUOTE] That wasn't the real dirtyghettogamer - it was just an alias.

[QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598804]Thanks for that. Funny, because that dirtyghetto character was a reported hacker on the forums. Haha. I wonder why he would want that fixed when he was responsible for it as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but I'm doubting it was actually him, if he was going to commit such stupid things, I'd assume he wouldn't put an identifiable username to incriminate him.

right now at 4:19 pm on oct 21 2013 all but 2 of your servers are being ddosed. has this not become a priority. this is insane.

[QUOTE=seod;42598914]Or at least hides the IP[/QUOTE] You can't hide an IP from something that wants to connect to it unless you hide the host you want to protect behind an opaque proxy or a NAT (and that introduces more lag). It's like trying to keep your phone number secret from everyone while still using it. IP addresses are how a computer reaches another server; it's a fundamental design concept for the entire Internet. If you can't find out the IP, you can't talk to the server. It's like trying to phone someone without anyone knowing their phone number. You can't just pick up the phone and say "call garry newman, please!" and have Garry's unlisted secret phone number ring without anyone in the system knowing what garry's phone number is. Someone [I]has[/I] to know in order to route your call to garry, otherwise they might as well just dial random numbers and connect you to Harold and Flo from Des Moines.

[url]http://www.playrust.com/serverlist/[/url] pretty hard to play with no servers working

I don't know what a DDoS is, it sounds somewhat complicated, however the servers seem to be offline due to the lack of developer response and assistance to the users around the hacking subject, where as literally everyone is cheating now.

I already knew they were scriptkiddies the second I heard it was a DDos. It's extremely stupid to use a DDos attack such as this, because it's extremely high-profile. The hosting provider most likely has their IP's and can simply report it to the police. These kids could even be in for jailtime, depending on the country they are in. I doubt any of the devs would take it that far, but that doesn't mean the hosting provider won't either. I would seriously advice anyone involved to come clean. Going to jail for a silly DDos is just about the stupidest thing you can do at that age. [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TIK TOK;42599104]I don't know what a DDoS is, it sounds somewhat complicated, however the servers seem to be offline due to the lack of developer response and assistance to the users around the hacking subject, where as literally everyone is cheating now.[/QUOTE] A DDos really is nothing. Basically, what they did is that they downloaded a tool that someone else made and copy/pasted the server adress into the target bar. What this tool does is it opens huge amounts of spam connections that basically flood the server. DDos attacks cause absolutely zero damage and the website will restore itself the second the attack is over. It's amateuristic and the only thing these kids have really achieved is that the rust community is pissed and the hosting provider will most likely report them to the police.

[QUOTE=_Wouter;42599131]I already knew they were scriptkiddies the second I heard it was a DDos. It's extremely stupid to use a DDos attack such as this, because it's extremely high-profile. The hosting provider most likely has their IP's and can simply report it to the police. These kids could even be in for jailtime, depending on the country they are in. I doubt any of the devs would take it that far, but that doesn't mean the hosting provider won't either. I would seriously advice anyone involved to come clean. Going to jail for a silly DDos is just about the stupidest thing you can do at that age.[/QUOTE] First you have to understand how DDoS works my friend. DoS is one thing - flooding a service with more than it can handle. It can happen with even just 1 computer and like you described, you can find that person and do whatever you want. Report him, block him, whatever. Distributed DoS though is something different. You basically use infected computers without their users' knowledge by controlling something that is called a botnet. When i'm talking about infected computers, i mean hundreds or thousands of them. So you understand that reporting them or blocking them is simply out of the question especially when you think that these computers are doing it without their users' consent. [B]Countering a DDoS attack is just not possible. You can only make it harder for it to happen by having a bigger bandwidth pipe.[/B] But that's all you can do. Make it harder.

[QUOTE=_Wouter;42599131]I already knew they were scriptkiddies the second I heard it was a DDos. It's extremely stupid to use a DDos attack such as this, because it's extremely high-profile. The hosting provider most likely has their IP's and can simply report it to the police. These kids could even be in for jailtime, depending on the country they are in. I doubt any of the devs would take it that far, but that doesn't mean the hosting provider won't either. I would seriously advice anyone involved to come clean. Going to jail for a silly DDos is just about the stupidest thing you can do at that age. [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] A DDos really is nothing. Basically, what they did is that they downloaded a tool that someone else made and copy/pasted the server adress into the target bar. What this tool does is it opens huge amounts of spam connections that basically flood the server. DDos attacks cause absolutely zero damage and the website will restore itself the second the attack is over. It's amateuristic and the only thing these kids have really achieved is that the rust community is pissed and the hosting provider will most likely report them to the police.[/QUOTE] LMAO @ the guy getting trolled BY the guy doing the Ddos and not following the forums enough to realize it.

[QUOTE=teamvortex;42599247]LMAO @ the guy getting trolled BY the guy doing the Ddos and not following the forums enough to realize it.[/QUOTE] Oops! Before I was rudely banned on that account, I wanted to point out, Wouter you are an absolute moron with little to no knowledge on the subject you're talking about. Oh P.S - Hello Ideal-Hosting reading this thread. How's the hosting?

[QUOTE=Tiven;42599216]First you have to understand how DDoS works my friend. DoS is one thing - flooding a service with more than it can handle. It can happen with even just 1 computer and like you described, you can find that person and do whatever you want. Report him, block him, whatever. Distributed DoS though is something different. You basically use infected computers without their users' knowledge by controlling something that is called a botnet. When i'm talking about infected computers, i mean hundreds or thousands of them. So you understand that reporting them or blocking them is simply out of the question. [B]Countering a DDoS attack is just not possible. You can only make it harder for it to happen by having a bigger bandwidth pipe.[/B] But that's all you can do. Make it harder.[/QUOTE] I'll try being helpful again, thanks. I know what a DDos is, the point here is to explain it in a way that everyone can understand it. Also, reporting them is very much possible. I've seen it happen first hand. [QUOTE=teamvortex;42599247]LMAO @ the guy getting trolled BY the guy doing the Ddos and not following the forums enough to realize it.[/QUOTE] Lol, I just noticed.

To the DDoS'ers: What answer are you looking for from the dev's? "Oh, we're working on it"? The only way they can do something is if they can see how people are using the hacks and create an anti-hack off of that, much like what Arma 3 did when it was in development, they didn't bother with BattleEye until later when they saw how people hacked and created a counter. Your (or whoever's doing it) idea of DDoSing servers to stop hackers is extremely counter-productive and won't solve something that can only be prevented if the servers are online.

Fucking immature ass little kids. This is the reason why gmod is not as populated as it once was. I was head admin of a community for 6 years, until we got hit so hard by a DDoS we couldn't pay the server bills and shut down. Get your fucking priorities straight instead of throwing a temper tantrum like a bunch of children.

[QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598489]I don't doubt the reasoning... I would however like to see the source behind this statement. Where have they posted that message about the hacking being the cause? Just for my own reference.[/QUOTE] Ya if you want to see, you could look around the forums i saw a post saying fix your "anticheat ill fix your servers" [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=breakyourfac;42599306]Fucking immature ass little kids. This is the reason why gmod is not as populated as it once was. I was head admin of a community for 6 years, until we got hit so hard by a DDoS we couldn't pay the server bills and shut down. Get your fucking priorities straight instead of throwing a temper tantrum like a bunch of children.[/QUOTE] Ya i agree [editline]21st October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598489]I don't doubt the reasoning... I would however like to see the source behind this statement. Where have they posted that message about the hacking being the cause? Just for my own reference.[/QUOTE] Nvm it was removed some people already pointed that out

Funny thing is, one of the guys who was mad at the hacking was one of the major hackers on the US servers. [QUOTE=PrimusPalus;42598489]I don't doubt the reasoning... I would however like to see the source behind this statement. Where have they posted that message about the hacking being the cause? Just for my own reference.[/QUOTE]

Because kiddies are trolls and they are whining and crying about hackers. I personally would rather play the game with a few hackers than not at all. Some people have no lives and like to ddos the servers and waste there's and everyone else's time. It's very counter productive and invasive. However in some states/countries it is very illegal to ddos and attack servers. In a way its known as cyber terrorism. More than likely these folks will get in trouble with their internet provider I'm sure the devs/admins can monitor and see the ip's the attacks are coming from and they too will be banned along with all the hackers soon. Hopefully! So let the trolls have their fun for now as it will be short lived and they will be the ones sitting back crying when everyone else gets to play a fun finished final product.

How long has this game been so chaotic with hackers and DDoS? Is this a new thing? Or did it just start this week?

[QUOTE=Karkona;42599438]How long has this game been so chaotic with hackers and DDoS? Is this a new thing? Or did it just start this week?[/QUOTE] I've never seen such downtime caused by it personally. The hacking wasn't that bad up until a week too, it's like two chaotic things come from nowhere.

never understood the ddos internet vigilantism ... "fix your game or get ddos'd" stuff. It's all bs. Don't buy the game if you don't like what they're doing, simple as that.

[QUOTE=Karkona;42599438]How long has this game been so chaotic with hackers and DDoS? Is this a new thing? Or did it just start this week?[/QUOTE] I've been active in this game for about two weeks now and initially DDoS wasn't a problem. It's really only started this past week and gotten worse the last few days (around Friday or so). The hacking, on the other hand, has been quietly gaining steam and being used by more and more people.

Because some people are dickheads and just want to watch the world burn. whoever is doing this gains nothing from this and just fucks over everyone else.