Survival is it really possible? - Rust

hello there, I just have a quick question on the realistic side. What bothers me in this context survival (of the human race) is the total absence of women. Personally, without women I do not see the interest to survive :smile: . Have you considered introducing a female model in this game?

Don't lie, you just want to see naked women in Rust But it adds an element to role playing if that be your fancy Oh, you have a female in your house? You're target #1 for this raid, we won't kill you we just want your stuff and your women (can you drag people yet?) lol If you're a girl and you opt to have a female character you probably open yourself up for frivolous targeting but hey you choose how you want to play~

I doubt rust will get to the complexity of caring for children/reproducing. I cannot think of a good reason why Rust should have women other than customization reasons, which are minor features, at best.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45470507]I doubt rust will get to the complexity of caring for children/reproducing. I cannot think of a good reason why Rust should have women other than customization reasons, which are minor features, at best.[/QUOTE] You would want female characters for the same reason you do in mmo's, you get free stuff and people will generally not kill you on sight. That and a future without females is rather bleak. I'd personally love to be a viking, pillaging and whatnot and well you know their policy with women.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45470507]I doubt rust will get to the complexity of caring for children/reproducing. I cannot think of a good reason why Rust should have women other than customization reasons, which are minor features, at best.[/QUOTE] I think customization features are substantial. Almost one of the most important parts. And as of yet the only apparent idea to encourage surviving, as dying doesn't really have consequences.

[QUOTE=Malexion;45470546]You would want female characters for the same reason you do in mmo's, you get free stuff and people will generally not kill you on sight. That and a future without females is rather bleak. I'd personally love to be a viking, pillaging and whatnot and well you know their policy with women.[/QUOTE] What are you even talking about? A "future" in Rust is mostly loot, and that's it. People aren't going to want to be women just so they can be your trophies/fuckdolls. Get your erotica elsewhere. [QUOTE=leminlyme;45470746]I think customization features are substantial. Almost one of the most important parts. And as of yet the only apparent idea to encourage surviving, as dying doesn't really have consequences.[/QUOTE] Let me correct you on that. Dying at an early stage doesn't have a whole lot of consequences. Later on, dying becomes one of the worst things that can possibly happen to you. Customization ie: hair, clothes, hats(?) are cool but should be put in very last. Rust is a survival game. You don't need women to stay alive. Only reproduce, which is not what Rust is about.

[QUOTE=Malexion;45470546]You would want female characters for the same reason you do in mmo's, you get free stuff and people will generally not kill you on sight.[/QUOTE] True, and the voice component breaks the illusion pretty quick.

You know that garry already answered the question if female models are going to be developed? He said No cause womens are silly. Kkthx

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45472389]People aren't going to want to be women just so they can be your trophies/fuckdolls. [/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so sure of that. The internet has all kinds of people on it.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45472389]What are you even talking about? A "future" in Rust is mostly loot, and that's it. People aren't going to want to be women just so they can be your trophies/fuckdolls. Get your erotica elsewhere. [/QUOTE] Shield Maidens you ignorant fuck, they went with the men into some of the largest viking wars in history. Only thralls were regarded as you mentioned, if a women were deemed brave sometimes they would even recruit them. On top of that women in viking society enjoyed some of the highest rights of the time period as long as they weren't thralls.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45472389]What are you even talking about? A "future" in Rust is mostly loot, and that's it. People aren't going to want to be women just so they can be your trophies/fuckdolls. Get your erotica elsewhere. Let me correct you on that. Dying at an early stage doesn't have a whole lot of consequences. Later on, dying becomes one of the worst things that can possibly happen to you. Customization ie: hair, clothes, hats(?) are cool but should be put in very last. Rust is a survival game. You don't need women to stay alive. Only reproduce, which is not what Rust is about.[/QUOTE] I think your later stages are equivocal to the hardcore players early stages. By the time I'm set and basically just "living" on a server, gear becomes worthless to me. I wear it to kill others, not to defend myself. I have the materials at home to reproduce anything I need, my home is my most important thing. Rather homes. Dying costs so little, only that which you carry. Walking around in leather with small amounts of ammo and simple guns gives you the freedom to be risky and intrepid. Dying in your home doesn't mean much, unless your home itself is compromised. So in the end, if you're playing intelligently and to great lengths, become a powerful member of a server, death means nothing. It means nothing when you start, it means nothing when you're settled. It only really bugs you for about a 2 day period while you're establishing your hold on a server, in my opinion. Well, so long as you don't let yourself get bothered by the fact that you get beat by others in circumstances when you die. It's a little humiliating. Minuscule consequence though.

[QUOTE=leminlyme;45475517]I think your later stages are equivocal to the hardcore players early stages. By the time I'm set and basically just "living" on a server, gear becomes worthless to me. I wear it to kill others, not to defend myself. I have the materials at home to reproduce anything I need, my home is my most important thing. Rather homes. Dying costs so little, only that which you carry. Walking around in leather with small amounts of ammo and simple guns gives you the freedom to be risky and intrepid. Dying in your home doesn't mean much, unless your home itself is compromised. So in the end, if you're playing intelligently and to great lengths, become a powerful member of a server, death means nothing. It means nothing when you start, it means nothing when you're settled. It only really bugs you for about a 2 day period while you're establishing your hold on a server, in my opinion. Well, so long as you don't let yourself get bothered by the fact that you get beat by others in circumstances when you die. It's a little humiliating. Minuscule consequence though.[/QUOTE] That's a balance/mechanics problem, not a "not enough fluff yet" problem. Of course more fluff (customization of character models, clothes, weapons, etc) would be a great addition, but the playable part of the game is far more important right now.

[QUOTE=Malexion;45475322]Shield Maidens you ignorant fuck, they went with the men into some of the largest viking wars in history. Only thralls were regarded as you mentioned, if a women were deemed brave sometimes they would even recruit them. On top of that women in viking society enjoyed some of the highest rights of the time period as long as they weren't thralls.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Malexion;45470546]I'd personally love to be a viking, pillaging and whatnot and well you know [I]their policy[/I] with women.[/QUOTE] If you weren't trying to imply a lewd act, why make the sentence seem so mysterious? Forgive me for not knowing a whole lot of history about a people who existed for maybe a few hundred years and never did anything note worthy.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45479621]If you weren't trying to imply a lewd act, why make the sentence seem so mysterious? Forgive me for not knowing a whole lot of history about a people who existed for maybe a few hundred years and never did anything note worthy.[/QUOTE] Around 270 years, consisted of the time period that they were known as the vikings. Never did anything note worthy? They were only the first people to venture across the North Atlantic and practically discover the new land or at least Greenland, it wasn't until much later that the rest of Europe followed suit and Columbus got the recognition for discovering the actual continent. Vikings of actual history were known for the rights they gave to their own women as well as their ability to wreak havoc, all those comics and stories you read about them are a depiction of rumors or rare cases that spread about them like wildfire. In many cases the stories matched the Celts more than vikings. Sure they enslave the women they raided, or in most cases killed them the same as the men. They were not much different in that regard except for they had been known for having shield maidens in their armies. All other nations of the time thought this was a ridiculous concept when they found female bodies after battles with the vikings. If anything they were the most realistic about gender roles and equality for their time period, hell we didn't even allow females in the army in the states until the mid to late 1900s. Read some shit before you assume: [url]http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-vikings[/url] And fucking hell I tend to say shit, thinking people actually got a fucking education or bothered to pay attention. It's obvious that Gary probably doesn't want to deal with all the conflicts that come with adding female characters, and [I]I'm not[/I] suggesting rape as an option let me make that clear, but enslavement/ball and chain + roasting people over a fire should be free game for the cannibals among us that will harvest players for their meat.

[QUOTE=Malexion;45482693] Vikings of actual history were known for the [B]rights they gave to their own women[/B] as well as their ability to wreak havoc, all those comics and stories you read about them are a depiction of rumors or rare cases that spread about them like wildfire. [B]Sure they enslave [B](and rape)[/B]the women they raided, or in most cases killed them the same as the men.[/B] They were not much different in that regard except for they had been known for having shield maidens in their armies. All other nations of the time thought this was a ridiculous concept when they found female bodies after battles with the vikings. If anything they were the most realistic about gender roles and equality for their time period, hell we didn't even allow females in the army in the states until the mid to late 1900s. It's obvious that Gary probably doesn't want to deal with all the conflicts that come with adding female characters, and [I]I'm not[/I] suggesting rape as an option let me make that clear, but enslavement/ball and chain + roasting people over a fire should be free game for the cannibals among us that will harvest players for their meat.[/QUOTE] [B]"shield maidens"[/B] So basically they allowed women to join their pillaging force and discovered a place that you hear absolutely nothing about. Yep, definitely not noteworthy. Also, didn't the vikings slaughter entire towns just for fun? So it's not about adding women to Rust anymore, but instead about women's equality. Your argument is so ambiguous that it's tough to tell what you are even arguing for. Literally all you said was that the Vikings did some stuff AND allowed women into their army so that makes them special or something.

This topic is weird ... what do shield maidens and the viking history have to do with your first post and Rust in general . We're not here for gender equality , hell ... women already have more rights than men in many countries some are just too ignorant to see that . They will add women in Rust but not now , there's no point in it , they need to focus on the main part of the game atm.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45472389] Rust is a survival game. You don't need women to stay alive. Only reproduce, which is not what Rust is about.[/QUOTE] No, but women need to stay alive too. There's something a little weird when more than 50% of the adult population isn't represented. [QUOTE=Mavoryk;45470482] If you're a girl and you opt to have a female character you probably open yourself up for frivolous targeting but hey you choose how you want to play~[/QUOTE] Victim blaming, classy.

[QUOTE=Ebrim;45484412] Victim blaming, classy.[/QUOTE] Don't start this bullshit, for the love of god. Female characters are more likely to be targeted and there's no way around that.

[QUOTE=Vasey105;45484482]Don't start this bullshit, for the love of god. Female characters are more likely to be targeted and there's no way around that.[/QUOTE] and why is that?

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45484517]and why is that?[/QUOTE] Because the the majority of people playing this game are males who like to play with female characters or whatever. If that was supposed to be some witty remark, nobody cares about 'muh oppressions'.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45484517]and why is that?[/QUOTE] Because the game is an outlet for sociopaths among others. [QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45483109][B]"shield maidens"[/B] So basically they allowed women to join their pillaging force and discovered a place that you hear absolutely nothing about. Yep, definitely not noteworthy. Also, didn't the vikings slaughter entire towns just for fun? So it's not about adding women to Rust anymore, but instead about women's equality. Your argument is so ambiguous that it's tough to tell what you are even arguing for. Literally all you said was that the Vikings did some stuff AND allowed women into their army so that makes them special or something.[/QUOTE] Entire towns for fun? Someones been into the movies a bit much, they were after the same thing as every other force of their time. Money, land, control. Sorry if their society is not noteworthy to you, nice opinion though. I suppose you missed some of the reading about property ownership for women as well among other things, but I suppose that doesn't matter when you intend on arguing [I]without[/I] all the facts, just like you pointed a finger without knowing the intent of my words. In a twisted way you almost remind me of the westboro baptist church, stuck in their ways not attempting to look at anything outside their view. My argument is simple, but I suppose I need to [I][B]spell it out for you[/B][/I] "Nothing is as it seems". It's generally a terrible idea to point fingers without all the information. You may have missed my suggestions for adding things to rust awhile back as well. Mostly things that would benefit the idea of making a prison system which could redefine invasions, if the opposing force is caught and doesn't die it's a little hard to keep invading. I suppose that isn't exactly about adding women to rust though.

[QUOTE=Vasey105;45484964]Because the the majority of people playing this game are males who like to play with female characters or whatever. If that was supposed to be some witty remark, nobody cares about 'muh oppressions'.[/QUOTE] you didn't really answer my (actually genuine) question. why would "female characters be more likely to be targeted"? do the "majority" of players have some kind of superiority complex that will cause them to irrationally target all the "ladys" (coz dis is a MANz werld)? i'm not disagreeing by the way. i'm curious if you have thought about why someone would target female character models over male character models. and the reasons why a female model would be more likely to be helped/trusted/not shot, regardless of who is actually playing. have you ever seen these squeakers when they think a girl is on the server? with the name of mrknifey, when i lied and said i was a girl, i STILL had people try and pick me up purely based on my supposed gender. they stood there, completely helpless trying to pick me up in chat ffs. i don't think we can discredit the idea based on how people behave...we give them weopons, and they KOS. we give them voice and they sing or play songs and run around the server. ever seen Sanic the Hedgehog? it's not the idea that is the problem, but the idiots who play the game. that's one of the fun but dangerous things about any kind of sandbox game. the more things a player has, the more stupid shit he can do with it; stupidity is amazingly thorough at times. personally, i think a female model means very little, but would be nice for variety. to me anyway. i'm sure that its more than that to female gamers. yeah it has its cons, but it has pros too:)

Well in that case yeah, I agree with you. Just assumed you were complaining about inequality.

We have other samples for examples of how females are received in circumstances where players habitually abuse each other. That's why we're cynical about the idea of it. It will create turmoil with some players who aren't expecting it because they're not versed in the subject of online behavior. Noone is debating women's capability of fighting men (And if you are you're retarded), or whether or not the option to have more customization will be a bad choice. It's about the psychology of netizens and how they treat females in games about player interaction.

[QUOTE=OtherDalfite;45470507]I doubt rust will get to the complexity of caring for children/reproducing. I cannot think of a good reason why Rust should have women other than customization reasons, which are minor features, at best.[/QUOTE] Are they even allowd to play it? +1 for the Woman! [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] Boobi Mountains Incoming!