I wanted to share my thoughts about what the impact of removing Z's from the game means for some of us. This post is [B]not [/B]intended for those that [B]don't[/B] care about their removal. So if you have nothing positive to share, please don't.
I don't believe zombies not being in the game is the issue for those that miss them. For many I've spoken to personally in game, removing them makes it less scary and means there's nothing which entices you to practice your headshots. They also feel it's removed some of the variety of hostiles and feel the game was already in desperate need of variety in this area (no z's, only wolves and bears, oh my!).
Most servers have those times when there's only a few on and those with constant high numbers tend to become primarily PVP servers. So in those PVE, COOP or lonely times, it feels like there's less to do now, at least once you've got your base up and running and have the gear you want.
If they had replaced them with something else that was at least (or more) interesting, I don't believe there would have be any issue. Instead, more bear and wolves! I know that people have stated that they are placeholders and removing them didn't take anything from the game. I'm actually happy that's the case for them since they will keep playing, but it's just not the case for everyone.
Also, whether or not they are placeholders is kind of a silly point to make, since the Bears and Wolves that have replaced them are ALSO placeholders. So, replace the placeholders with placeholders? Why? So people know this isn't a ZOMBIE game! I don't think people really care whether it's a zombie game or not, but this change has taken some of the fun out of the game and THAT'S what's happened by removing the "zombie placeholders".
IMHO, I believe it would have been better to leave them in until they where ready to replace them with something better.
What do you think?
Development is sloppy af. Im abandoning this game until they actually push out some real updates. I had fun at first but im bored now. Its very repetitive right now and all of the updates they have put out since releasing the alpha have been shit. They are fucking with porting this to xbox and ps4. Why? Get it solid on pc then maybe port. Garry got a bunch of money and has lost passion for making the game. Watching house of cards all day smh
The hacker problem in this game makes it not even worth playing right now. Check out their trello and see all the stupid shit they are working on.
Hey Wubbzz,
They are porting this game?! Seriously? Do you have a link to this information?
Additional:
Just Googled and this link ([url]http://xboxonedaily.com/2014/02/rust-xbox-one-port/[/url]) seems to indicate that although they are looking to port in future, it is still a fair way off. Makes sense, since I can't see them wanting to port an alpha or a beta for that matter.
In an ideal situation, they could have kept the zombies in the game until they had an appropriate replacement, but every day that Rust was available on Steam with zombies was another day of people buying the game for the zombies and being disappointed and that just leads to more and more disappointed players.
It was a necessary sacrifice to remove remove zombies early.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43940950]Hey Wubbzz,
They are porting this game?! Seriously? Do you have a link to this information?[/QUOTE]
Google rust and look in the news section also check garry newman twitter. Tweeting about getting xbox dev kits and watching house of cards
[QUOTE=Wubbzz;43940987]Google rust and look in the news section also check garry newman twitter. Tweeting about getting xbox dev kits and watching house of cards[/QUOTE]
Hey Wubbzz, I updated my last post ;)
[editline]17th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=DatHarry;43940979]In an ideal situation, they could have kept the zombies in the game until they had an appropriate replacement, but every day that Rust was available on Steam with zombies was another day of people buying the game for the zombies and being disappointed and that just leads to more and more disappointed players.
It was a necessary sacrifice to remove remove zombies early.[/QUOTE]
Hi DatHarry,
I do understand their reasoning, but I have to wonder in hind sight, if it was faulty? If they removed them a long way down the track but replaced them with something better, would people really have been disappointed that this was (in their perception) a zombie game?
As I have said, I've spoken with many people using in game voice chat and most play the game for the building and crafting it offers and the z's simple add to the whole experience. I don't think people would be as disappointed as you think if the hostiles were better.
Zombies dont even fit in the logic of this game. Zombies are the undead living, walking corpses. In what world do zombies come about through radiation? It has always been a plague, virus or effin witchcraft. The only model that truly fits are Mutants for this game. Mutants and zombies are totally different in fitting with the enviroment. Get with the program! Anyone who disagrees is a zombie..:P
[QUOTE=Detsur;43941215]Zombies dont even fit in the logic of this game. Zombies are the undead living, walking corpses. In what world do zombies come about through radiation? It has always been a plague, virus or effin witchcraft. The only model that truly fits are Mutants for this game. Mutants and zombies are totally different in fitting with the enviroment. Get with the program! Anyone who disagrees is a zombie..:P[/QUOTE]
I agree, The bears and wolves start off normal, over time the radiation began to effect there body's with bleeding sores turning them red, over time the will continue to mutate.
[QUOTE=Detsur;43941215]Zombies dont even fit in the logic of this game. Zombies are the undead living, walking corpses. In what world do zombies come about through radiation? It has always been a plague, virus or effin witchcraft. The only model that truly fits are Mutants for this game. Mutants and zombies are totally different in fitting with the enviroment. Get with the program! Anyone who disagrees is a zombie..:P[/QUOTE]
There are always people like you who don't read properly, don't offer solutions and just like to belittle others for their thoughts and concerns.
As I stated in my original post, I don't really care about the zombies per se, but the elements they take from the game. Is your reasoning so limited that you didn't actually perceive that? Or perhaps you just enjoy abusing others.
So it sounds like your basic gripe, are humanoids to camp. While the developers want to get away from zombies... you're just looking for variety?
[QUOTE=Soulstitchmmo;43941462]So it sounds like your basic gripe, are humanoids to camp. While the developers want to get away from zombies... you're just looking for variety?[/QUOTE]
Wow! Another genius who can't read or reason! It's not a gripe. It's a concern. Anyone who perceives it otherwise, just wants to see a problem where there is none. Plain and simple. But I suspect people like you really aren't interested in being constructive. Maybe when you grow up.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43940830]I wanted to share my thoughts about what the impact of removing Z's from the game means for some of us. This post is [B]not [/B]intended for those that [B]don't[/B] care about their removal. So if you have nothing positive to share, please don't.[/quote]
[b]AKA:[/b] I want to post my opinion without any opposition and only those who agree with me should post.
..... Cuz that'll work. :zoid:
[quote]I don't believe zombies not being in the game is the issue for those that miss them. For many I've spoken to personally in game, removing them makes it less scary and means there's nothing which entices you to practice your headshots. They also feel it's removed some of the variety of hostiles and feel the game was already in desperate need of variety in this area (no z's, only wolves and bears, oh my!).[/quote]
The Zombies were never scary to begin with, certainly no more scary than the existing and new animals. What the lack of Zombies detracts towards "Scary" the red animals make up for with "Density" which I will get to shortly....
[quote]Most servers have those times when there's only a few on and those with constant high numbers tend to become primarily PVP servers. So in those PVE, COOP or lonely times, it feels like there's less to do now, at least once you've got your base up and running and have the gear you want.
If they had replaced them with something else that was at least (or more) interesting, I don't believe there would have be any issue. Instead, more bear and wolves! I know that people have stated that they are placeholders and removing them didn't take anything from the game. I'm actually happy that's the case for them since they will keep playing, but it's just not the case for everyone.[/quote]
Well you can't please everybody.
The Zombies did nothing for the boring times.... they were easy loot bins, nothing more. These red animals are also loot bins, but harder to deal with.
[quote]Also, whether or not they are placeholders is kind of a silly point to make, since the Bears and Wolves that have replaced them are ALSO placeholders. So, replace the placeholders with placeholders? Why? So people know this isn't a ZOMBIE game! I don't think people really care whether it's a zombie game or not, but this change has taken some of the fun out of the game and THAT'S what's happened by removing the "zombie placeholders".
IMHO, I believe it would have been better to leave them in until they where ready to replace them with something better.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
Well while I understand that replacing placeholders with another placeholder that will eventually be replaced does seem odd.... I also understand why.
They wanted to get away from the comparisons to 7 Days to Die and DayZ, etc. They were supposed to be removed before the game was able to be purchased. The longer they stayed in, the longer people would grow to think they were always supposed to be a part of the game.
You said that you doubt anybody cared on whether this was a zombie game or not, yet if you have been paying attention in these and the Steam Forums for the last few weeks, especially after the patch that removed them, you would have seen how many people "Cared" about those zombies and were all in an uproar that they were removed (Even though they should have known for a while that they were going to be removed)
Many have moaned about it and claimed that they bought this game specifically because it had Zombies..... how strange is that?
They were never that good and played a very small role in the game itself.
They weren't difficult, one arrow to the red or normal zombies dropped them (or 4 to the black ones).... or one headshot to any of them dropped them. It was way too easy to gather loot and the only time they posed any sort of danger was if they caught you by surprise, which was not often.
It was too easy to jump from a bow to an M4.
Now at least you need to use a lot more ammo, so you need to be prepared before you go after any red animals..... and you need to plan how you go after them because they are in large packs (the zombies were spread out a lot more and easier to drop one by one)..... if you're not careful, you can have several wolves and bears coming after you all at once.
All of this ends up slowing down the progress of players and thus, prolonging the gameplay and character development.
I too would like to see something great to come replace them, but they are an improvement over the zombies, 10 fold.
[QUOTE][QUOTE=Praxius;43941550][b]AKA:[/b] I want to post my opinion without any opposition and only those who agree with me should post.
..... Cuz that'll work. :zoid:[/QUOTE]
You really don't read properly do you. I want to hear from people who share this concern, not people like you who only care about their own opinion. The entire tone of your post is quite clear. Anyone who shares my concerns has no right to voice their thoughts.
[QUOTE]The Zombies were never scary to begin with, certainly no more scary than the existing and new animals. What the lack of Zombies detracts towards "Scary" the red animals make up for with "Density" which I will get to shortly....[/QUOTE]
Once again, YOUR opinion! If that's how you feel, fine. Are you therefore saying that since YOU don't find them frightening, that no one does? Really!
[QUOTE]Well you can't please everybody.
The Zombies did nothing for the boring times.... they were easy loot bins, nothing more. These red animals are also loot bins, but harder to deal with.[/QUOTE]
And your personal beliefs once again trump anyone and everyone. These are [B]yours [/B], not everyone's. Are you really so arrogant that you actually believe that no one could possibly see things differently to you. Interesting that the thing you accuse is the very thing you are.
[QUOTE]Well while I understand that replacing placeholders with another placeholder that will eventually be replaced does seem odd.... I also understand why.
They wanted to get away from the comparisons to 7 Days to Die and DayZ, etc. They were supposed to be removed before the game was able to be purchased. The longer they stayed in, the longer people would grow to think they were always supposed to be a part of the game.
You said that you doubt anybody cared on whether this was a zombie game or not, yet if you have been paying attention in these and the Steam Forums for the last few weeks, especially after the patch that removed them, you would have seen how many people "Cared" about those zombies and were all in an uproar that they were removed (Even though they should have known for a while that they were going to be removed)
Many have moaned about it and claimed that they bought this game specifically because it had Zombies..... how strange is that?
They were never that good and played a very small role in the game itself.
They weren't difficult, one arrow to the red or normal zombies dropped them (or 4 to the black ones).... or one headshot to any of them dropped them. It was way too easy to gather loot and the only time they posed any sort of danger was if they caught you by surprise, which was not often.
It was too easy to jump from a bow to an M4.
Now at least you need to use a lot more ammo, so you need to be prepared before you go after any red animals..... and you need to plan how you go after them because they are in large packs (the zombies were spread out a lot more and easier to drop one by one)..... if you're not careful, you can have several wolves and bears coming after you all at once.
All of this ends up slowing down the progress of players and thus, prolonging the gameplay and character development.
I too would like to see something great to come replace them, but they are an improvement over the zombies, 10 fold.[/QUOTE]
It really is quite fascinating the thing you "know". You where obviously privy to my conversations with others and was therefore able to deduce that they didn't actually mean they didn't care about the zombies, that the Bears and Wolves that replaced them aren't boring and that there is still the same amount of things to do. Thank you so much for clearing this up! You really are a legend....of what exactly, who knows. :rolleyes:
Perhaps the concerns over zombies in this forum come from people like you who spend more time in the forums that they do the actual game. I will listen to people who are playing the game over people in forums like you any day. Perhaps the Devs should have done the same.
If the majority of replies are any indication, I can expect more masterminds with self-involved opinions and little to no concern for people who also play the game...just not the way you play.
[editline]17th February 2014[/editline]
It now occurs to me that as far as the whole "zombie" issue goes on this forum, if anyone sees the positives of z's staying for the time being, they get attacked. And this thread clearly shows me that it is often from people who are either unable or unwilling to understand the honest concern behind this thinking. Praxius stated that the forum is filled with people who believe that the z's need to be removed. But if they all get the same response as me, then how many people will actually dare to disagree? And if that [I]is [/I] the case, then the threads around this topic are clearly one sided!
Do the Dev's even read this forum? If so, have they actually reasoned on thread's like this or just gone with the seemingly popular flow?
If you can't take negative opinions at all, so much do that you try to warn them away in your OP, you should get a blog where you can remove the comments section. We don't have much patience for fragile manchildren around here.
Having said that, I would like to make it exceedingly clear that I am in no way suggesting or ordering you to leave Facepunch.
We get it. You're not happy with Rust now that zombies are gone and there has not been an adequate replacement provided.
Welcome to goddamned alpha, if you can't handle unfinished games, don't buy Early Access games that are really unfinished. This is the reality of a game in active development. Things will break. Updates will go out that seem like a step back, even though under the hood they are 85% of the way to a big leap forward with the next patch containing that other 15% or whatever.
But really. All pettiness and bullshit aside, listen to me. If you aren't having fun in Rust, stop playing it for a while and play things that are fun. Go do that for a few weeks. Then come back and see how Rust is doing. I'm totally serious about this. It's just how life is during an alpha. The game is only about 10% done, and the missing parts makes it suck in certain ways. That will change with time.
I feel that ripping off the zombie bandaid now is beneficial to introducing the true replacement.
If you went straight from zombies to the new NPC, most reactions would likely be "bring zombies back" rather than criticism focusing on the new creature itself.
If you go from a time of red wolves and bears to the new NPC, people will surely welcome it with open arms. DatHarry had a pretty good reason too. Too many people were buying Rust for being a zombie survival. The more you stay with something you're going to change later, the harder the transition is going to be. Best to get it over with.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43941986]If you can't take negative opinions at all, so much do that you try to warn them away in your OP, you should get a blog where you can remove the comments section. We don't have much patience for fragile manchildren around here.
Having said that, I would like to make it exceedingly clear that I am in no way suggesting or ordering you to leave Facepunch.
We get it. You're not happy with Rust now that zombies are gone and there has not been an adequate replacement provided.
Welcome to goddamned alpha, if you can't handle unfinished games, don't buy Early Access games that are really unfinished. This is the reality of a game in active development. Things will break. Updates will go out that seem like a step back, even though under the hood they are 85% of the way to a big leap forward with the next patch containing that other 15% or whatever.
But really. All pettiness and bullshit aside, listen to me. If you aren't having fun in Rust, stop playing it for a while and play things that are fun. Go do that for a few weeks. Then come back and see how Rust is doing. I'm totally serious about this. It's just how life is during an alpha. The game is only about 10% done, and the missing parts makes it suck in certain ways. That will change with time.[/QUOTE]
You opinion doesn't agree with mine. I don't care. I want to hear from people WITH my concern, not people like you who seem only to be concerned with pointing out the flaws in everyone else's thinking!
If you don't agree with me fine! Did you or the others, who didn't actually read the thoughts and tone of my original post in the spirit is was intended, actually NEED to post what you have. Instead you show no respect for my wishes and impose your negativity on the topic. Why? Is what I have said really such a threat to you? So far only one person has responded without attacking?
You say [I]I [/I] can't handle negative opinions, but you are accusing me of the very thing you and the others above have initiated!!! I did not attack you with this post. It is YOU how have attacked me! Which mean my opionion is negative to you and you have to reply since you can't handle negative opinions.
And who is "we"? Are you saying you represent [B]all [/B]the people who read and subscribe to this forum? Everyone here believes that what I has said is in poor form? If this is not the case, who are you to impose your belief in this matter as if no one could possibly disagree with you?
As for your sarcastic "Welcome to" statement. Are you a games or software dev? For me to even consider raising this point, I must not understand the difficult concept of "Alpha".
Personally I don't mind the zombies being gone, it makes actual players easier to identify since there are no longer any NPCs with a human shape.
[editline]17th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43942151]You opinion doesn't agree with mine. I don't care. [B]I want to hear from people WITH my concern[/B], not people like you who seem only to be concerned with pointing out the flaws in everyone else's thinking![/QUOTE]
Only hearing from people that agree with you doesn't provide an accurate representation of the community as a whole. While there may be some people that agree with you, I'm sure there are plenty that don't. It's better to hear both sides of the argument, so you get as many different points as possible. From those you can more accurately pinpoint what the wisest decision is.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;43942108]I feel that ripping off the zombie bandaid now is beneficial to introducing the true replacement.
If you went straight from zombies to the new NPC, most reactions would likely be "bring zombies back" rather than criticism focusing on the new creature itself.
If you go from a time of red wolves and bears to the new NPC, people will surely welcome it with open arms. DatHarry had a pretty good reason too. Too many people were buying Rust for being a zombie survival. The more you stay with something you're going to change later, the harder the transition is going to be. Best to get it over with.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, are you Dev's?
Secondly:
I understand your concern. That is to say, I actually [B]understand [/B]your concern!
That being said, nobody has spoken about the gap this has left for some. Will the upcoming update help alleviate any of the concerns I have raised? Or would you also like me to just shut the hell up?
I have a server and I believe I have set it up well. People who think like me join the server and have commented how much they like it. I'm obviously not alone in finding the game has become less interesting, but if you are a Dev and this and the above are the only responses I'm going to get then by all means tell me now and I will stop.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43942151]You opinion doesn't agree with mine. I don't care. I want to hear from people WITH my concern, not people like you who seem only to be concerned with pointing out the flaws in everyone else's thinking![/QUOTE]
Whoa there, that is not how this forum works. If you create a thread criticizing something, you can't just say "no disagreeing opinions allowed".
Just make sure you keep that in mind to avoid trouble. It's not okay to censor a thought just because you don't agree.
To be clear, I am in no way trying to be negative when I post this. It's just how discussion works.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;43942261]Whoa there, that is not how this forum works. If you create a thread criticizing something, you can't just say "no disagreeing opinions allowed".
Just make sure you keep that in mind to avoid trouble. It's not okay to censor a thought just because you don't agree.
To be clear, I am in no way trying to be negative when I post this. It's just how discussion works.[/QUOTE]
WHAT! You really read my original post as criticizing something? Are you actually a Dev??? Did you even read the intent of my original post?
I clearly DIDN'T say no one can disagree with me! Have you actually even read all of my comments?
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43942291]WHAT! You really read my original post as criticizing something? Are you actually a Dev??? Did you even read the intent of my original post?
[B]I clearly DIDN'T say no one can disagree with me! Have you actually even read all of my comments?[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43940830]I wanted to share my thoughts about what the impact of removing Z's from the game means for some of us. This post is [B]not [/B]intended for those that [B]don't[/B] care about their removal.[/QUOTE]
You state in the OP that the post isn't for people who don't care that zombies were removed.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43942151]You opinion doesn't agree with mine. I don't care. I want to hear from people WITH my concern, not people like you who seem only to be concerned with pointing out the flaws in everyone else's thinking![/QUOTE]
Another example of your wish to not hear from those that don't agree.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43941843]You really don't read properly do you. I want to hear from people who share this concern, not people like you who only care about their own opinion. The entire tone of your post is quite clear. Anyone who shares my concerns has no right to voice their thoughts.[/quote]
And you complain about my reading abilities?
You can post and share whatever opinion you desire.... anybody can. I don't own these forums and never stated you couldn't.
But you don't own these forums either and starting out with your OP dictating who is welcome in this discussion and who isn't is a bad start to getting any sort of relevant discussion going. I never said you couldn't share your opinion.... but you said certain people in here couldn't, and that makes you a hypocrite.
[quote]Once again, YOUR opinion! If that's how you feel, fine. Are you therefore saying that since YOU don't find them frightening, that no one does? Really![/quote]
They are no more "Frightening" than a rad Bear.
And [B]OBVIOUSLY[/B] it's my damn opinion..... when did I ever claim I was stating "Facts"??
You sure like to finger wag at others in here about not being able to read properly.... maybe you should practice what you preach.
[quote]And your personal beliefs once again trump anyone and everyone.[/quote]
Says you, not I. Believe whatever you want.
[quote]These are [B]yours [/B], not everyone's. Are you really so arrogant that you actually believe that no one could possibly see things differently to you. Interesting that the thing you accuse is the very thing you are.[/quote]
Um..... yeah ok.... again, did I say I was stating "Fact?"
Do I need to constantly explain to you that I am posting my "OPINION" for you to figure it out?
Do you want me to make a pop-up book with little cartoon characters for you to pull tabs on to better explain my position and to clearly state over and over again that I'm expressing MY OPINION just as you did??
Oh, but I guess I'm not allowed to.... but you are.
Funny that you wanted a debate on this subject, yet avoid refuting or debating any of the points I made thus far. Rather, you just keep beating around the bush and taking what I posted waaaayyy out of context.
You expressed your opinion/position and in turn, I expressed my own, but now suddenly here you are stomping and moaning because I don't agree with you and tossing out baseless accusations towards what I posted as if I was telling you to STFU and leave the forums (Which I never did)
If you want to debate, then damn well debate..... grow a pair.
If you think my position is wrong, then destroy it and prove me wrong..... otherwise quit moaning, you're embarrassing yourself.
[quote]It really is quite fascinating the thing you "know". You where obviously privy to my conversations with others and was therefore able to deduce that they didn't actually mean they didn't care about the zombies, that the Bears and Wolves that replaced them aren't boring and that there is still the same amount of things to do. Thank you so much for clearing this up! You really are a legend....of what exactly, who knows. :rolleyes:[/quote]
So you "Talked" to some guys online during gameplay and telling us all what they said without any sort of record?
You know that that's called?
"Hearsay."
Google it.
I on the other hand have been active in these forums, the Steam Discussion section and the Rust Reddit Section. I've been talking to players in all three locations (Not including in-game as there is no way of recording information at this time)..... there is piles of documented information from many players towards their views and expectations of the Zombies in Rust.
If you're too damn lazy to go look for that information, let me know, I'll link it all here for you to read and I hope you have a lot of free time on your hands.
Sorry pal, but I've been Debating on internet forums since 1998..... do your homework.
[quote]Perhaps the concerns over zombies in this forum come from people like you who spend more time in the forums that they do the actual game. I will listen to people who are playing the game over people in forums like you any day. Perhaps the Devs should have done the same.[/quote]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/cpt-praxius/[/url]
I have 128 hours in this game since I purchased it a little over a month ago, which is pretty good since I have a full time job, a wife and a kid.... and I have time to come in here and make you look foolish.
So I guess that means you listen to me as well.
[quote]If the majority of replies are any indication, I can expect more masterminds with self-involved opinions and little to no concern for people who also play the game...just not the way you play.[/quote]
And if your replies are any indication, You're someone who gets easily butthurt when too many people don't end up agreeing with you and can form better arguments than you.... to the point you end up lashing out and attacking the poster, rather than the post itself.
[quote]It now occurs to me that as far as the whole "zombie" issue goes on this forum, if anyone sees the positives of z's staying for the time being, they get attacked. And this thread clearly shows me that it is often from people who are either unable or unwilling to understand the honest concern behind this thinking.[/quote]
Attacked?
lol.... You stated your position, you made your baseless claims about those you "Spoke" to online while playing, you have been disagreed upon and refuted. You have shown your own ignorance on the topic where you weren't even aware that the devs have planned the removal of the zombies since day one and they were place holders. You shown your ignorance again by not understanding their reasons for replacing a place holder with yet another place holder, even if they aren't to your own personal standards.
What did you expect? Everybody to pat you on the back for expressing your opinion and give you a cookie, while agreeing with your completely??
Welcome to the internet and welcome to forums. Not everybody is going to agree with you and thus far, the majority don't agree with you.
Try this over in the Steam Discussions and while you might get a few sympathizers (from my own experience), the majority of members over there will tell you pretty much the same things as you're being told here.
I understood your "Concerns"..... I presented my own view and the benefits that these rad animals bring to the overall gameplay as opposed to what the zombies did..... however you glazed over that information, didn't bother to even acknowledge any of it or refute it, and continued on the attack of others who had differing views than your own.
You're really bad at this.
[quote] Praxius stated that the forum is filled with people who believe that the z's need to be removed.[/quote]
They don't "Need" to be removed, they were removed and they're not coming back.... FACT.
The Devs didn't like the Zombies and wanted them removed long before Rust was even available for purchase, but left them in because they didn't have anything else for loot drops at the time..... FACT.
What I "Stated" was:
[i]"You said that you doubt anybody cared on whether this was a zombie game or not, yet if you have been paying attention in these and the Steam Forums for the last few weeks, especially after the patch that removed them, you would have seen how many people "Cared" about those zombies and were all in an uproar that they were removed (Even though they should have known for a while that they were going to be removed)
Many have moaned about it and claimed that they bought this game specifically because it had Zombies..... how strange is that?"[/i]
^ Where exactly did I claim [u]"the forum is filled with people who believe that the z's need to be removed."[/u]
You need to learn how to read posts a hell of a lot better.
[quote] But if they all get the same response as me, then how many people will actually dare to disagree? And if that [I]is [/I] the case, then the threads around this topic are clearly
OK, there is clearly no reasoning with you. You are only reading what you want to hear.
The strength of my request to hear from people who felt the same way increase because you don't listen. Why is asking to only hear from those who have this issue a problem? Is this in the rules as not being allowed? My original post doesn't insult anyone. It does say you can't post, it say please only post if you have something positive on the subject. Why is that such a big problem? Please only say something if its positive and help resolve the problem. Aww hell, we can't do that! If we want to flame a thread, that's our right! How dare I mess with your right to put down others!!!
If I had asked how people felt about the removal of zombies in general, I could understand, but I didn't.
How can you possibly see me asking for only people to comment if they do care about there removal as inflammatory?
And why haven't you answer my other questions? Are you a developer of the game RUST? Is elixwhitetail? Is DatHarry? Are you afraid to answer? I an now going to contact the Dev's directly. I would like to hear what they have to say about this thread.
[editline]17th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Praxius;43942462]And you complain about my reading abilities?
You can post and share whatever opinion you desire.... anybody can. I don't own these forums and never stated you couldn't.
But you don't own these forums either and starting out with your OP dictating who is welcome in this discussion and who isn't is a bad start to getting any sort of relevant discussion going. I never said you couldn't share your opinion.... but you said certain people in here couldn't, and that makes you a hypocrite.
They are no more "Frightening" than a rad Bear.
And [B]OBVIOUSLY[/B] it's my damn opinion..... when did I ever claim I was stating "Facts"??
You sure like to finger wag at others in here about not being able to read properly.... maybe you should practice what you preach.
Says you, not I. Believe whatever you want.
Um..... yeah ok.... again, did I say I was stating "Fact?"
Do I need to constantly explain to you that I am posting my "OPINION" for you to figure it out?
Do you want me to make a pop-up book with little cartoon characters for you to pull tabs on to better explain my position and to clearly state over and over again that I'm expressing MY OPINION just as you did??
Oh, but I guess I'm not allowed to.... but you are.
Funny that you wanted a debate on this subject, yet avoid refuting or debating any of the points I made thus far. Rather, you just keep beating around the bush and taking what I posted waaaayyy out of context.
You expressed your opinion/position and in turn, I expressed my own, but now suddenly here you are stomping and moaning because I don't agree with you and tossing out baseless accusations towards what I posted as if I was telling you to STFU and leave the forums (Which I never did)
If you want to debate, then damn well debate..... grow a pair.
If you think my position is wrong, then destroy it and prove me wrong..... otherwise quit moaning, you're embarrassing yourself.
So you "Talked" to some guys online during gameplay and telling us all what they said without any sort of record?
You know that that's called?
"Hearsay."
Google it.
I on the other hand have been active in these forums, the Steam Discussion section and the Rust Reddit Section. I've been talking to players in all three locations (Not including in-game as there is no way of recording information at this time)..... there is piles of documented information from many players towards their views and expectations of the Zombies in Rust.
If you're too damn lazy to go look for that information, let me know, I'll link it all here for you to read and I hope you have a lot of free time on your hands.
Sorry pal, but I've been Debating on internet forums since 1998..... do your homework.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/cpt-praxius/[/url]
I have 128 hours in this game since I purchased it a little over a month ago, which is pretty good since I have a full time job, a wife and a kid.... and I have time to come in here and make you look foolish.
So I guess that means you listen to me as well.
And if your replies are any indication, You're someone who gets easily butthurt when too many people don't end up agreeing with you and can form better arguments than you.... to the point you end up lashing out and attacking the poster, rather than the post itself.
Attacked?
lol.... You stated your position, you made your baseless claims about those you "Spoke" to online while playing, you have been disagreed upon and refuted. You have shown your own ignorance on the topic where you weren't even aware that the devs have planned the removal of the zombies since day one and they were place holders. You shown your ignorance again by not understanding their reasons for replacing a place holder with yet another place holder, even if they aren't to your own personal standards.
What did you expect? Everybody to pat you on the back for expressing your opinion and give you a cookie, while agreeing with your completely??
Welcome to the internet and welcome to forums. Not everybody is going to agree with you and thus far, the majority don't agree with you.
Try this over in the Steam Discussions and while you might get a few sympathizers (from my own experience), the majority of members over there will tell you pretty much the same things as you're being told here.
I understood your "Concerns"..... I presented my own view and the benefits that these rad animals bring to the overall gameplay as opposed to what the zombies did..... however you glazed over that information, didn't bother to even acknowledge any of it or refute it, and continued on the attack of others who had differing views than your own.
You're really bad at this.
They don't "Need" to be removed, they were removed and they're not coming back.... FACT.
The Devs didn't like the Zombies and wanted them removed long before Rust was even available for purchase, but left them in because they didn't have anything else for loot drops at the time..... FACT.
What I "Stated" was:
[i]"You said that you doubt anybody cared on whether this was a zombie game or not, yet if you have been paying attention in these and the Steam Forums for the last few weeks, especially after the patch that removed them, you would have seen how many people "Cared" about those zombies and were all in an uproar that they were removed (Even though they should have known for a while that they were going to be removed)
Many have moaned about it and claimed that they bought this game specifically because it had Zombies..... how strange is that?"[/i]
^ Where exactly did I claim [u]"the forum is filled with people who believe that the z's need to be removed."[/u]
You need to learn how to read posts a hell of a lot better.
:suicide:
You know.... in my first post to you, I was actually being pretty civil and agreeing with your perspective.... I was actually trying to be nice. Now I just feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]
Yes your a big man online. Forum god you are! I dare say only place you can be. And talk about being upset by what is said! What a response! Poor thing, your RL sucks doesn't it?! At least your all up in everyone's grill online! You go big man! LOL
From what I've seen said in game, people claim the zombies were "atmospheric" and such. When asked why they felt that way, they couldn't come up with a single reason and just admitted they miss them for being single hit loot pinatas. The only interesting thing about the zombies was the fact that for whatever reason they looked like Dean Venture from the Venture Brothers.
Almost every complaint about the mutated animals that I've seen was due to the fact that they only stop chasing you if you go on a foundation or lose line of sight. The fact that they take multiple hits and can't be killed in 1 headshot. The fact that they are just a reskin of the existing animals. Pretty much "they are harder, so they suck".
Basically, everyone that I've asked who was for zombies was only for them because they were easy to kill, easy to escape from and easy loot. Not a single person could state how they added anything else.
[QUOTE=FluffyMule;43942516]OK, there is clearly no reasoning with you. You are only reading what you want to hear.
The strength of my request to hear from people who felt the same way increase because you don't listen. Why is asking to only hear from those who have this issue a problem? Is this in the rules as not being allowed? My original post doesn't insult anyone. It does say you can't post, it say please only post if you have something positive on the subject. Why is that such a big problem? Please only say something if its positive and help resolve the problem. Aww hell, we can't do that! If we want to flame a thread, that's our right! How dare I mess with your right to put down others!!!
If I had asked how people felt about the removal of zombies in general, I could understand, but I didn't.
How can you possibly see me asking for only people to comment if they do care about there removal as inflammatory?
And why haven't you answer my other questions? Are you a developer of the game RUST? Is elixwhitetail? Is DatHarry? Are you afraid to answer? I an now going to contact the Dev's directly. I would like to hear what they have to say about this thread.
[editline]17th February 2014[/editline]
Yes your a big man online. Forum god you are! I dare say only place you can be. And talk about being upset by what is said! What a response! Poor thing, your RL sucks doesn't it?! At least your all up in everyone's grill online! You go big man! LOL[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they have more important thing to do than to deal with one guy who can't handle others not agreeing with him as if he knows best and should dictate how they should make their game.
And no I am not a dev, as if that makes any difference, but you never asked me specifically so I didn't answer.
But hey, read whatever you want to "hear" even though you can't hear forum posts, lol.
[QUOTE=Praxius;43942634]I'm sure they have more important thing to do than to deal with one guy who can't handle others not agreeing with him as if he knows best and should dictate how they should make their game.
And no I am not a dev, as if that makes any difference, but you never asked me specifically so I didn't answer.
But hey, read whatever you want to "hear" even though you can't hear forum posts, lol.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's whatever you said for you! :D
are u shitting me? removing them is less scary??? -_-... the bears and wolfes scare me much more why? they are quicker, stronger, a lot of them, harder to avoid, and u cant do the glitch u did with zombies to the bears and wolfes..
Its just a zombie with a red shirt and new nike sneakers..who cares really
I don't generally participate in forum discussions, but after reading this post I felt compelled to register and post one thing and thing only.
FluffyMule - You are a complete tool sir.
Thank you.
Ah, whatever. I have tried to make you understand the spirit I presented this in. This forum only has people who see the worst in what your trying to say. For pities sake readers, don't disagree with the masses. They'll hate you for it. Forums are getting worse for this everyday.
You have to live with yourselves. Thankfully I don't.
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