Noticed new status effect on dev branch, "hygiene". As a Linux user, I find this offensive. - Rust

Not washing for months on end doesn't give you any debuffs IRL.

[QUOTE=withnail;47034838]Not washing for months on end doesn't give you any debuffs IRL.[/QUOTE] I'll take getting sick from eating with dirty hands for $500, Alex...

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47034855]I'll take getting sick from eating with dirty hands for $500, Alex...[/QUOTE] I'd say I've tested this in the past, but I always wash my hands after having a shit so I guess I haven't. In fact, I should expand this. I doubt many cavemen washed their hands (IE, handling raw chicken before eating etc). We hear of kids being raised by feral wolves then brought back into society. I think the threat of getting sick from unwashed hands is less than you think. I even hear of some barbarians who don't always wash their hands after using the toilet. The fact that they are out there and managing to breed and not die out would suggest that your body adapts to this.

Only reason that humans get so easily sick in this modern age, is because we surround ourselves with sterile environments, which, while they keep bacteria and whatnot away from us, also hurts our immune systems, which is what makes us so much more susceptible to illness once exposed. Once our bodies adapt to a natural environment, the largest danger to a human, illness-wise, is coming across foreign bacteria, such as those from people that traveled from different continents, from eating infected meat, and from infections due to untreated wounds.

[QUOTE=withnail;47034894]I'd say I've tested this in the past, but I always wash my hands after having a shit so I guess I haven't. In fact, I should expand this. I doubt many cavemen washed their hands (IE, handling raw chicken before eating etc). We hear of kids being raised by feral wolves then brought back into society. I think the threat of getting sick from unwashed hands is less than you think. I even hear of some barbarians who don't always wash their hands after using the toilet. The fact that they are out there and managing to breed and not die out would suggest that your body adapts to this.[/QUOTE] And what was the average life expectancy back then? 30?

[QUOTE=Leon Garoux;47035184]Only reason that humans get so easily sick in this modern age, is because we surround ourselves with sterile environments, which, while they keep bacteria and whatnot away from us, also hurts our immune systems, which is what makes us so much more susceptible to illness once exposed. Once our bodies adapt to a natural environment, the largest danger to a human, illness-wise, is coming across foreign bacteria, such as those from people that traveled from different continents, from eating infected meat, and from infections due to untreated wounds.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis[/url] [QUOTE]In medicine, the hygiene hypothesis is a hypothesis that states that a lack of early childhood exposure to infectious agents, symbiotic microorganisms (e.g. gut flora or probiotics), and parasites increases susceptibility to allergic diseases by suppressing the natural development of the immune system. In particular, the lack of exposure is thought to lead to defects in the establishment of immune tolerance.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]No evidence supports the idea that reducing modern practices of cleanliness and hygiene would have any impact on rates of chronic inflammatory and allergic disorders, but a significant amount of evidence that it would increase the risks of infectious diseases. If home and personal cleanliness contributes to reduced exposure to vital microbes, its role is likely to be small. The idea that homes can be made “sterile” through excessive cleanliness is implausible. The evidence shows that, as fast as they are removed by cleaning, microbes are replaced, via dust and air from outdoors, by shedding from the body and other living things as well as from food. The key point may be that the microbial content of urban housing has altered, not because of home and personal hygiene habits, but because they are part of urban environments. Diet and lifestyle changes also affects the gut, skin and respiratory microbiota.[/QUOTE] [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47035422]And what was the average life expectancy back then? 30?[/QUOTE] 25, but this was due to a high mortality rate. There was no reason a healthy neanderthal wouldn't live into their 60's [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11obneanderthal.html[/url] However, the high infant mortality rate was probably dues to infectious disease.

[QUOTE=withnail;47034838]Not washing for months on end doesn't give you any debuffs IRL.[/QUOTE] Perhaps smelly players could have flies circling them that would make noise other players would hear.

[QUOTE=utilitron;47035430][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis[/url] A lack of evidence is not proof of non-existence of evidence. The hypothesis I support, is a valid train of thought currently. [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] 25, but this was due to a high mortality rate. There was no reason a healthy neanderthal wouldn't live into their 60's [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11obneanderthal.html[/url] However, the high infant mortality rate was probably dues to infectious disease.[/QUOTE] [editline]29th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Leon Garoux;47035551][/QUOTE] Please delete this. The comment I made fucked up, and I am currently going into work, which leaves me no time to rewrite everything I said.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47035422]And what was the average life expectancy back then? 30?[/QUOTE] What's the average life expectancy in Rust?

I imagine that poor hygiene would cause the player to smell bad. Smelling bad could repulse deer/boar/rabbits/chickens and attract Wolves/Bears/etc.

[QUOTE=Leon Garoux;47035551]A lack of evidence is not proof of non-existence of evidence. The hypothesis I support, is a valid train of thought currently.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence#Absence_of_evidence[/url] [QUOTE]If someone were to assert that there is an elephant on the quad, then the failure to observe an elephant there would be good reason to think that there is no elephant there. But if someone were to assert that there is a flea on the quad, then one's failure to observe it there would not constitute good evidence that there is no flea on the quad.[/QUOTE] In order for that to be true, we would be assuming the data sample excluded certain factors. I don't believe it did. With a large enough sample size you would see clear statistical evidence. The studies clearly show that excessive cleanliness isn't a factor in increasing rates of chronic inflammatory and allergic disorders. But, it clearly stated that for a decrease in cleanliness there is a "significant amount of evidence that it would increase the risks of infectious diseases". So you have a dataset that shows no evidence to one, but significant to another. I'm sorry, but the data doesn't lie. If there is enough data to show significant evidence of one, it is enough to rule out lack of evidence for the other. Also If you read the section on the "URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis#Old_friends"]old friends[/URL]" hypothisis It explains that the current rate of infections has to do with how infections are spread, rather than being exposed early on. [QUOTE]Conventional childhood infections are mostly "crowd infections" that kill or immunize and thus cannot persist in isolated hunter-gatherer groups. Crowd infections started to appear after the neolithic agricultural revolution, when human populations increased in size and proximity.[/QUOTE] It is clear the reason we are more susceptible to communicable disease is because of the increase in close quarter interactions rather than not having an immunity from early exposure.

[QUOTE=withnail;47034838]Not washing for months on end doesn't give you any debuffs IRL.[/QUOTE] It'll debuff your chances of getting laid...

[QUOTE=almosttactful;47036673]It'll debuff your chances of getting laid...[/QUOTE] I have a very tolerant other half.

I can confirm that withnail is jenny mccarthy.

[QUOTE=withnail;47035609]What's the average life expectancy in Rust?[/QUOTE] about 30 seconds IRL;)

So you have to jump into the lake to refresh hygiene? So if you settle up in the mountains, you're doomed.