Bring the Half Blocks Back - Rust

Now I know that you could do not much with the half block items but I found them really useful for creating stairs and such Here is what I did Key: S=Stairs H=Half Block D=DoorWay X=Nothing XHSD XSXX XDXX This would create some defensible stairs So why did the dev's say that noone used them?? Why did they remove a perfectly fine gameplay element?? Bring them back, taking away game elements only means your limiting players on what they can do. People used those blocks for what they were meant to use them for but we (The Players) found more ways to use these blocks than most other items in the game

i used them. now i have to use stupid ugly Ushape stairs wich doesn't fit with doorway.

[QUOTE=Jwatson996;49013557]And yes I'm aware that noone used them...[/QUOTE] Everyone used them. At least every experienced player did.

[QUOTE=neil.hillman;49013877]Everyone used them. At least every experienced player did.[/QUOTE] I meant that the dev's said no one used them. I didn't know how many people used them...so I just went off what the dev's said

[QUOTE=neil.hillman;49013877]Everyone used them. At least every experienced player did.[/QUOTE] And you have the list of hundreds of servers you investigated while determining this, yes? "Everyone" is a broad term that encompasses tens of thousands of players or more around the world.

elix, I know you are the self appointed spokesperson for facepunch, (and more often than not I agree with you). But yes, after nearly 3,000 hours of playing, I think I can safely say that all experienced players use half-blocks, in one way or another. Sure, you can probably find an exception to this rule, but that would be pedantic.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49013950]And you have the list of hundreds of servers you investigated while determining this, yes? "Everyone" is a broad term that encompasses tens of thousands of players or more around the world.[/QUOTE] I can back neil up with this one. Yes we are using blocks.

I used them to create a reinforced outer wall. Foundation with 2 blocks stacked on top with 4 walls and a roof all armoured was very tough to get through. Unless they introduce a solid block?

Bring the Half Blocks, Stairs Back! Guys, please Bring the Half Blocks, Stairs Back! You need give Us more construction elements, but not delete them. I'm builder, not only killer,or raider... [editline]30th October 2015[/editline] [video=youtube;eQHO-f4WTCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQHO-f4WTCM[/video] [video=youtube;4wn_EgQ3cPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wn_EgQ3cPo[/video] [video=youtube;MogTQc7wgWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MogTQc7wgWI[/video] [editline]30th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=neil.hillman;49013877]Everyone used them. At least every experienced player did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49013950]And you have the list of hundreds of servers you investigated while determining this, yes? "Everyone" is a broad term that encompasses tens of thousands of players or more around the world.[/QUOTE] I have not seen a single person claim that they DO NOT use these blocks or stairs. Everyone uses them.

Time to stop playing rust! they need to add more to buildings not take them away!!

close to 1400 hrs here and I run a modded server. Please put the effin half blocks and steps back. The game needs to go in a positive direction and if your going to hobble players ability to be creative in their base construction (and I know my piddling little server means nothing to facepunch) I'm one of several others I've talked to who will switch their server to another game. Less servers, less players. less players, less profit.

I think the majority of people didn't use them as intended. The half stairs weren't meant to be uses as a bunker window or whatever else. Just like they weren't meant to be rotated around to hide loot rooms. The half block wasn't meant to be used to make shelves, bunker windows, raid towers, reinforced walls, reinforced roofs, etc. They became those because of the alpha nature of the game and the coding. Easier to remove them than to recode. Adapt or quit playing. I can't wait to see what comes out next.

[QUOTE=Havok316UK;49014183]I used them to create a reinforced outer wall. Foundation with 2 blocks stacked on top with 4 walls and a roof all armoured was very tough to get through. Unless they introduce a solid block?[/QUOTE] And I used them in a similar manner as reinforced outer walls. Takes a hell of a lot of C4 to break through 3 layers of armour. And that's not to mention all the other useful "intended" ways. They need to fix the way these building elements are used to exploit, not remove them from the game. That's basically curing the disease by killing the patient.

On another note... [url]https://twitter.com/RustUpdates/status/660122642775715840[/url] Hmmm.

[QUOTE=jumonjii;49017173]I think the majority of people didn't use them as intended. The half stairs weren't meant to be uses as a bunker window or whatever else. Just like they weren't meant to be rotated around to hide loot rooms. The half block wasn't meant to be used to make shelves, bunker windows, raid towers, reinforced walls, reinforced roofs, etc. They became those because of the alpha nature of the game and the coding. Easier to remove them than to recode. Adapt or quit playing. I can't wait to see what comes out next.[/QUOTE] yes the half block was used for ways they wasn't intended to be I agree with that but that's the beauty of a alpha sandbox style game the blocks have been here for god know how long and are apart of the building style of the game you say it easier to remove then recode I would a agree but I wouldnt say easier I would say just lazy. I have use these blocks to almost everything you listed to reinforce walls, build shelves, and yes I have used them to correct way also to block up unleveled floors and build walk ways to my bases. so im guessing facepunch will be fixing the maps now so 90% of the ground is now more level because with out these blocks building a base with level floors cant be done unless you build a small base that that anyone can raid with little to no amount of resources

[QUOTE=Alcatraz.;49017275]yes the half block was used for ways they wasn't intended to be I agree with that but that's the beauty of a alpha sandbox style game the blocks have been here for god know how long and are apart of the building style of the game you say it easier to remove then recode I would a agree but I wouldnt say easier I would say just lazy. I have use these blocks to almost everything you listed to reinforce walls, build shelves, and yes I have used them to correct way also to block up unleveled floors and build walk ways to my bases. so im guessing facepunch will be fixing the maps now so 90% of the ground is now more level because with out these blocks building a base with level floors cant be done unless you build a small base that that anyone can raid with little to no amount of resources[/QUOTE] Lol, everyone needs to calm down, the world didn't end. If you can't figure out a way to build with the terrain, or level the foundations, take a break from the game. Watch some Rust videos, play something else. I do agree that the maps are unrealistically bumpy and hilly and very challenging to build on.

[QUOTE=jumonjii;49017173]I think the majority of people didn't use them as intended. The half stairs weren't meant to be uses as a bunker window or whatever else. Just like they weren't meant to be rotated around to hide loot rooms. The half block wasn't meant to be used to make shelves, bunker windows, raid towers, reinforced walls, reinforced roofs, etc. They became those because of the alpha nature of the game and the coding. Easier to remove them than to recode. Adapt or quit playing. I can't wait to see what comes out next.[/QUOTE] Oh f'ing please, come on. When was the last time things added to the game had a specific "intention"? They throw shit on the ground and say "let's see what they do with it". And what we did with it was creative, crafty and useful. People hid loot rooms behind staircases and made fake half-floors that were hard to detect, omgz... ... that's somehow bad? We should be more obvious? Bad for whom, the handful of oblivious players who demand that loot boxes be stacked neatly at the corners of a house and all rooms require the minimum number of C4 to get through? I haven't heard a single legitimate destructive "exploit" that is unique to half-blocks mentioned through all these threads. Not ... a.. single... one.

There wasn't an instruction manual included with the halfblocks and stairs, so as far as anyone knew, there wasn't a right or wrong way to use them.

Agree fully with most people here, it was not right for the dev's to completely remove the half block and stairs. Lots of people used it and need it for general building

I feel most people didn't read the devblog part where they state that they're working on ways to replace them. You know, legit blocks to do exactly what you used that generic block for, minus the abuse part?

[QUOTE=Varen;49020314]I feel most people didn't read the devblog part where they state that they're working on ways to replace them. You know, legit blocks to do exactly what you used that generic block for, minus the abuse part?[/QUOTE] So you really think only blocks are being used for abusing.. hm hm..

[QUOTE=Varen;49020314]I feel most people didn't read the devblog part where they state that they're working on ways to replace them. You know, legit blocks to do exactly what you used that generic block for, minus the abuse part?[/QUOTE] I must have missed the part where they stated that they were making it so we could put walls on foundation stairs and foundations would autolevel to surrounding foundations regardless of terrain elevation...

They are just making it easier for raiders and harder for base defence. Just like the patch when ladders were introduced, then came the clipping through windows bug. Every server I went on was just empty raided buildings. Since this patch, all I see is empty raided bases with little to no hope to surviving over night. We had a base pre patch and it was rock solid! it had several raid attempts and was great being able to fend them off and knowing I will come back tomorrow and not be dead. After the patch built the same base, lasted about 2 hours tops being attacked by a small clan. My point is removing these blocks, changing the tool cub behaviour has been a huge WIN for raiders. If they removed it and said they are working on blocks for intended use, why not leave us the stairs and half blocks and when they have finished the new blocks THEN remove them. At least it gives us something to continue with. Myself and other clan members wont be playing for a while now, real shame!

Everyone keeps saying 'they weren't being used as intended'. What the fuck does that even mean? Everybody used halfblocks in some form or another to make something HALF HEIGHT. Be it levelling off foundations on a slope, adding a half height floor to put chests in or by using the only nice stairs that rust had. People can stop bitching about the 'griefing' thing. The whole point of rust is that you never permanently own anything. Your shitty base is no longer yours and they decided to block it. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=jumonjii;49017173]Adapt or quit playing.[/QUOTE] "Deal with it or fuck off." Sounds like a brilliant marketing strategy for a game that's been hemorrhaging old players and struggling to find new ones.

[QUOTE=Miyamoto;49031599]"Deal with it or fuck off." Sounds like a brilliant marketing strategy for a game that's been hemorrhaging old players and struggling to find new ones.[/QUOTE] Because garry is putting [I]so much effort[/I] into trying to attract millions of people to Rust when it's this broken, right? [sp]He isn't. Rust hasn't even gone on discounted sale yet.[/sp] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KxhpW82.png[/IMG] Yup, definitely a dying game, [URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/252490"]look at those population numbers dropping like a ro--[/URL]what, they've been staying stable for six months? Oops, there goes your narrative. You're taking an alpha way too fucking seriously if you're going to permanently quit Rust over the half-blocks change.

[QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49030212]Everyone keeps saying 'they weren't being used as intended'. What the fuck does that even mean? Everybody used halfblocks in some form or another to make something HALF HEIGHT. Be it levelling off foundations on a slope, adding a half height floor to put chests in or by using the only nice stairs that rust had. People can stop bitching about the 'griefing' thing. The whole point of rust is that you never permanently own anything. Your shitty base is no longer yours and they decided to block it. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] I used them for none of those reasons as I had no need. Personally, they were used to fill in empty blocks as added armor behind metal walls

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49033597]You're taking an alpha way too fucking seriously if you're going to permanently quit Rust over the half-blocks change.[/QUOTE] First of all, at no point have I ever claimed I was going to quit, over the half-blocks or any other change for that matter (the only thing that might force me to quit is the ever-increasing performance issues). I'm just venting my frustration with the Second, can we PLEASE quit using the "alpha" excuse as an all-purpose response for every criticism of the development? If we were a year into development I'd absolutely agree with you but the game's been on the market for two years and in development for nearly three now as I understand it. I hear the same chant from the DayZ crowd every time something goes horribly wrong with that game. Nobody's arguing the game should be running like a Swiss watch at this point, but when the dev team has basically admitted now that they're doing zero QA, that most don't even playtest their own content, are putting off addressing performance issues in favor of more content (most of which is redundant), etc etc it's extremely disconcerting. Those are the kinds of things you expect from a game that's in it's first year of development, not it's third, and especially not from a group that's already made a reasonably successful game before. All that said, I'll admit that my language about 'hemorrhaging players' was overblown and you were fair to call me out on it, though it has certainly dropped from where it was a year ago and has more or less stagnated over the past six months.

[QUOTE=Miyamoto;49034768]First of all, at no point have I ever claimed I was going to quit, over the half-blocks or any other change for that matter (the only thing that might force me to quit is the ever-increasing performance issues). I'm just venting my frustration with the Second, can we PLEASE quit using the "alpha" excuse as an all-purpose response for every criticism of the development? If we were a year into development I'd absolutely agree with you but the game's been on the market for two years and in development for nearly three now as I understand it. I hear the same chant from the DayZ crowd every time something goes horribly wrong with that game. Nobody's arguing the game should be running like a Swiss watch at this point, but when the dev team has basically admitted now that they're doing zero QA, that most don't even playtest their own content, are putting off addressing performance issues in favor of more content (most of which is redundant), etc etc it's extremely disconcerting. Those are the kinds of things you expect from a game that's in it's first year of development, not it's third, and especially not from a group that's already made a reasonably successful game before. All that said, I'll admit that my language about 'hemorrhaging players' was overblown and you were fair to call me out on it, though it has certainly dropped from where it was a year ago and has more or less stagnated over the past six months.[/QUOTE] I agree with almost everything you say. elix blindly defends the devs of this game and his opinions are forged with intent to disrupt threads and belittle other people. His opinion is worth nothing dont sweat him. I dont feel like retyping this so I am going to try and quote it here in this box. [QUOTE]I common thing I notice on this board is many people only come to this website to discus rust on the rust page. At the same time there are many people who post on many boards and use this forum more socially. A common defense of their toxicity is something along the lines of "You don't even realize how much a joke the rust forums are". There are many people passionate about this game rust and they come here to share their opinions of this game in development. This behavior and communication with the developers is crucial to utilizing the community of a game in development and this behavior should not be discouraged or ridiculed like many people choose to do in this forum. With all that being said, saying "it's garry's game he can do what he wants", is not at all helpful. edited for more common excuses posted on this forum that hinder communication and promotes toxicity. "The game is early alpha" Everyone who plays the game knows this. It is a useless answer because it can be used as an excuse for any question or concern or opinion "It is not the end of the world" This is a batshit assumption that dramatically exaggerates the response of the community. "toughen up" "you all scare too easy" "deal with it" ALL WORTHLESS[/QUOTE]