Forum is very messy, not professional. - Rust

Hello all, I just wanted to make a suggestion. Your advertisement server thread page is hard to find. I still don't know where it is. I just feel like your website could be build a little better or given a better layout. Its not easy to navigate for newer members and inexperienced computer users like myself. The other problem is when I make a minor mistake on the forums I get banned. I understand you are trying to keep it nice but couldn't you give a warning telling what I did wrong so I will then fix it right away. Your constant banning of people is really starting to turn people away from your company. I know you have a very large fan base but for everyone person I find that loves your company I find 10 that hate it. I feel if you try to be a little more customer friendly it will go a long way with the community and your sells will increase even more. Thank you for your time.

We ban around here son, that's just how things are.

You have to be careful, the Facepunch staff do not take any form of criticism, constructive or otherwise well.

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362288]Hello all, I just wanted to make a suggestion. Your advertisement server thread page is hard to find. I still don't know where it is. I just feel like your website could be build a little better or given a better layout. Its not easy to navigate for newer members and inexperienced computer users like myself. The other problem is when I make a minor mistake on the forums I get banned. I understand you are trying to keep it nice but couldn't you give a warning telling what I did wrong so I will then fix it right away. Your constant banning of people is really starting to turn people away from your company. I know you have a very large fan base but for everyone person I find that loves your company I find 10 that hate it. I feel if you try to be a little more customer friendly it will go a long way with the community and your sells will increase even more. Thank you for your time.[/QUOTE] yeha they should totally drop things and redesign the forums, fuck the alpha's development lets make the forums look pretty......

The Rust Server subforum is directly above the New Thread button. Read the sticky, trust me, it makes all of the rules clear as day. (In fact, I could get banned for replying to this, but it's still at the top of the list so I should be okay, I hope. (I <3 you, postal)) Plus, I don't think Facepunch is terribly concerned about sales right now... they're developing and testing Rust, if they were selling in mass quantities the amount of pure BS on this forum would be 100-fold at least.

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[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362288]Hello all, I just wanted to make a suggestion. Your advertisement server thread page is hard to find. I still don't know where it is. I just feel like your website could be build a little better or given a better layout. Its not easy to navigate for newer members and inexperienced computer users like myself. The other problem is when I make a minor mistake on the forums I get banned. I understand you are trying to keep it nice but couldn't you give a warning telling what I did wrong so I will then fix it right away. Your constant banning of people is really starting to turn people away from your company. I know you have a very large fan base but for everyone person I find that loves your company I find 10 that hate it. I feel if you try to be a little more customer friendly it will go a long way with the community and your sells will increase even more. Thank you for your time.[/QUOTE] I have one response..... They are busy making one of the coolest games I have ever played. Alright I have two comments... Once upon a time I knew a PM (Project Manager)...he was given $125,000 to create a software.... Well little ol him was so excited to be given this responsibility...and he wanted to make it super amazing and super duper software tool. Well he drew out a plan and some flow charts and stuff that is boring for most people. The devs working for him were smart but they were worker bees and not thinkers (I shalt not explain difference). Half way through the project he prioritized looks and feels before functionality....bad idea...end of the story... Functionality First...LOOKS AND FEELS SECOND Son! -Dan

I feel that some of these bans could be replaced with like warning tickets or something. I agree with you that some of these bans people are given should not be given, a pm in your inbox with a warning/infraction should be substituted. I got banned for a day in another subforum by starpluck for not being "calm." I used bolded words and underlined text (where appropriate and in moderation) in my post trying to defend my community from people spreading lies, apparently making me appear uncalm. Then I was banned for a week extension trying to show him that I was indeed calm and was trying to make a point. Tldr: a new administrative system needs to be considered, admins ban people for silly reasons, I'm afraid to post at times, starpluck is a bad moderator.

Honestly, for forums, functionality and looks can coincide rather easily. Not to mention, that having a community manager to focus on the forums, communicate between devs and players, etc. would have been a good idea to look into prior to launching the early access on steam.

[QUOTE=Fujitechs;43362363]I'm afraid to post at times.[/QUOTE] Lol you should be, Postal is an epic beast with that banhammer. ;) But trust me, as someone who stalks this forum, this place would be absolute HELL if postal didn't do what he does. [B]As I said before in another thread, postal is the forum moderator, not the forum maid.[/B]

I've found that these forums are very fair. I don't think I've seen many people banned for criticizing the game. Hell, I was blasting the Rust team for the slow rate of development; that didn't even net me a ban. I think the big thing they don't like is trolling and personal attacks.

[QUOTE=Autumn;43362346][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SyTjgJi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Thanks that is the very helpful. That's the kind of stuff I am talking about. I know I am not the smartest guy in the world but it makes me feel alot better about the company when people help out like that. And part of my point people in this thread say they are scared to post in your forums. Is that what rust wants? You guys have a reputation now.

Postal I hate you you're such a horrible mod I'm criticizing you blah blah blah. You say be careful not to criticize and how much of a tyranny this forum is except if that were true every single person in the thread would be banned. You even posted this in the wrong section, and weren't penalized. You people are blind and get way to pissed way to easily when you get banned. I just got off a ban, and I didn't mind at all. It was just a day away from Facepunch. Hell a moderator even POSTED in this thread, a thread criticizing them, and didn't do shit. You get banned for being an idiot. That ban is the warning, because next time it will be longer. Then you make alternate accounts and bitch about how bad the mods are. THERE IS A WHOLE SECTION FOR BANNED USERS TO BITCH ABOUT THE MODS. "oh we're new how do we find it," well it's the only forum you can view when you're banned so there's that. Damn it feels good to rant. [editline]31st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Fujitechs;43362363] Tldr: a new administrative system needs to be considered, admins ban people for silly reasons, I'm afraid to post at times, starpluck is a bad moderator.[/QUOTE] This system has been in effect since 2005, I wasn't even around back then and this is still the best goddamn community on the internet. [editline]31st December 2013[/editline] Do you guys want this back? Will this make it clear enough for you? [QUOTE=dai] [img]http://i.imgur.com/MhzuRlK.png[/img] that "you're going to get banned" box was on top of every 'new thread' page for unbanned users too[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=lope;43362559]Postal I hate you you're such a horrible mod I'm criticizing you blah blah blah. You say be careful not to criticize and how much of a tyranny this forum is except if that were true every single person in the thread would be banned. You even posted this in the wrong section, and weren't penalized. You people are blind and get way to pissed way to easily when you get banned. I just got off a ban, and I didn't mind at all. It was just a day away from Facepunch. Hell a moderator even POSTED in this thread, a thread criticizing them, and didn't do shit. You get banned for being an idiot. That ban is the warning, because next time it will be longer. Then you make alternate accounts and bitch about how bad the mods are. THERE IS A WHOLE SECTION FOR BANNED USERS TO BITCH ABOUT THE MODS. "oh we're new how do we find it," well it's the only forum you can view when you're banned so there's that. Damn it feels good to rant.[/QUOTE] See you proved my point exactly. I looked for the proper place to post this. I thought it is posted in the correct place. You sir are part of the problem. I am trying to make a constructive argument. Read your post again and tell me it doesnt sound like a child wrote it having a tantrum. Ask yourself how does your response help the community.

Its just because everything is posted here Except the server advertising

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362605]See you proved my point exactly. I looked for the proper place to post this. I thought it is posted in the correct place. You sir are part of the problem. I am trying to make a constructive argument. Read your post again and tell me it doesnt sound like a child wrote it having a tantrum. Ask yourself how does your response help the community.[/QUOTE] It helps rid the community of people who don't understand how proper communities operate, and can't stand being banned for more then an hour. Do you even view the rest of the forum? This place is huge, thousands even millions of posts everyday. Everyone outside of this Rusty shit hole will agree this is the cancer and demise of the Facepunch forums. [editline]31st December 2013[/editline] Also I'm going at you as much as the people who are complaining and being completely blind and slightly hypocritical. I can see you're quite mature. Unfortunately the same can't be said about the majority of your Rust friends.

I am the majority you are the minority. With out people like me the company would not make enough money to operate. Also this is the only community that I have been involved with that is this strict. I was also banned for 3 days. Yes I viewed the rest of the forums again just now and I still don't know where this thread is suppose to go. So seriously are you a troll or do you really believe the things you are saying? Also how old are you out of curiosity?

[QUOTE=ochie;43362350]I have one response..... They are busy making one of the coolest games I have ever played. Alright I have two comments... Once upon a time I knew a PM (Project Manager)...he was given $125,000 to create a software.... Well little ol him was so excited to be given this responsibility...and he wanted to make it super amazing and super duper software tool. Well he drew out a plan and some flow charts and stuff that is boring for most people. The devs working for him were smart but they were worker bees and not thinkers (I shalt not explain difference). Half way through the project he prioritized looks and feels before functionality....bad idea...end of the story... Functionality First...LOOKS AND FEELS SECOND Son! -Dan[/QUOTE] what are you even talking about

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362727]Also how old are you out of curiosity?[/QUOTE] Making stupid wise-cracks about age doesn't help anyone, especially yourself. I happen to agree with lope. People need to grow up, read the rules, figure it out. Almost everyone gets banned once, it's a learning experience. I was butt-hurt when I got banned, then I got over it. Problem solved.

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362727]I am the majority you are the minority. With out people like me the company would not make enough money to operate. Also this is the only community that I have been involved with that is this strict. I was also banned for 3 days. Yes I viewed the rest of the forums again just now and I still don't know where this thread is suppose to go. So seriously are you a troll or do you really believe the things you are saying? Also how old are you out of curiosity?[/QUOTE] Okay look. You are not the majority. One cannot even argue that. What do you mean the company wouldn't have enough money to operate? This forum was founded by garry, the mastermind behind gmod. I assure, for the years before Rust existed the website was doing just fine. This site has been in existence since 2005, drawing in gmod fans and regular internet users alike. That's almost 9 years without Rust. Do you honestly think, that Rust fans were able to over take a community which has been growing for 9 years prior? You didn't and garry sure as hell doesn't rely on Rust profits to run the site.

If you want "Professional" go play at EA with your fancy indian support technicians. This is facepunch studio. It is run with an iron fist. [url]http://wikipunch.com/index.php?title=The_Great_Hack_of_Facepunch[/url]

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362288]Your advertisement server thread page is hard to find. I still don't know where it is. [/quote]the link for it was literally right above the new thread button you clicked to make this lol. Look harder. [quote] I understand you are trying to keep it nice but couldn't you give a warning telling what I did wrong so I will then fix it right away. [/quote] Lurk more and learn how the forum operates and you won't have to worry about getting banned, but anyways the ban is the warning here. [quote]Your constant banning of people is really starting to turn people away from your company. I know you have a very large fan base but for everyone person I find that loves your company I find 10 that hate it. [/QUOTE] those are people we really don't want here so we don't care.

[QUOTE=Sievers808;43362762]Making stupid wise-cracks about age doesn't help anyone, especially yourself. I happen to agree with lope. People need to grow up, read the rules, figure it out. Almost everyone gets banned once, it's a learning experience. I was butt-hurt when I got banned, then I got over it. Problem solved.[/QUOTE] I am not trying to insult by asking about age. I apologize if i offended. I was going to use it as part of my argument, but if anyone is offended by it I wont. And sievers808 telling people to grow up after putting "Making stupid wise-cracks about age doesn't help anyone, especially yourself." Doesn't help your case much either. Its all opinion is my point.

Rust needs it's own subforums. Problem solved.

[QUOTE=postal;43362812]the link for it was literally right above the new thread button you clicked to make this lol. Look harder. Lurk more and learn how the forum operates and you won't have to worry about getting banned, but anyways the ban is the warning here. those are people we really don't want here so we don't care.[/QUOTE] So is the rust company only looking for a small community?

[QUOTE=Fujitechs;43362363]I feel that some of these bans could be replaced with like warning tickets or something. I agree with you that some of these bans people are given should not be given, a pm in your inbox with a warning/infraction should be substituted. I got banned for a day in another subforum by starpluck for not being "calm." I used bolded words and underlined text (where appropriate and in moderation) in my post trying to defend my community from people spreading lies, apparently making me appear uncalm. Then I was banned for a week extension trying to show him that I was indeed calm and was trying to make a point. Tldr: a new administrative system needs to be considered, admins ban people for silly reasons, I'm afraid to post at times, starpluck is a bad moderator.[/QUOTE] I have to agree. I've been here for ages and the one thing that gets me is how unforgiving the moderation system is. I really don't think it contributes to creating a nice community. Smartness was great because it gave you a chance to fix your mistakes. It didn't outright punish you. I signed up to a large creative writing forum recently and they don't have anywhere near the ruthless banning system we have here. There are the occasional misplaced threads or new users who need things explained to them, but the world's not falling down around them because of this. If anything it [I]feels[/I] like a much more friendly place to post because you're not seeing new and inexperience users get punched in the face for posting in the wrong area and you're not looking over your own shoulder trying to make sure you're not about to get banned. The justification that 'it's just a day ban get over it' doesn't really sit well; this is a social platform and there are people that we're all trying to keep in touch with here. In this day and age, 24 hours of no contact is pretty significant. With the new users coming in from Rust there's the added problem of being too strict too soon. People coming in and getting banned immediately, and so it's no wonder if they don't come back. If you want to release a game to the public and be seen as a competent and helpful developer, you need to foster a competent and helpful (and friendly) community, and that's just not happening with the current system. Might get banned for this (hoho feel more comfortable posting at your writing forum go and post there then hoho!) but it needs to be talked about

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362816]I am not trying to insult by asking about age. I apologize if i offended. I was going to use it as part of my argument, but if anyone is offended by it I wont. And sievers808 telling people to grow up after putting "Making stupid wise-cracks about age doesn't help anyone, especially yourself." Doesn't help your case much either. Its all opinion is my point.[/QUOTE] Dude you needed to see me when I first signed up. My first post is the regret of my life on the forums. I won't go into details about it but it taught me a lesson. Lurk. Lurk. For the love of god users shouldn't be allowed to post for their first month of membership and I wish this rule was in existence when I signed up because my reputation was crushed in my early postes. Just like how your is being crushed right now. For your sake, don't leave the Rust subforum. Also please note, Facepunch.com is not the Rust forums. Rust is a SUBforum of Facepunch.com

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362727]I am the majority you are the minority.[/QUOTE] minority? ok i made a chart if it helps [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/111996868/2014/yourus.JPG[/t]

[QUOTE=lope;43362796]Okay look. You are not the majority. One cannot even argue that. What do you mean the company wouldn't have enough money to operate? This forum was founded by garry, the mastermind behind gmod. I assure, for the years before Rust existed the website was doing just fine. This site has been in existence since 2005, drawing in gmod fans and regular internet users alike. That's almost 9 years without Rust. Do you honestly think, that Rust fans were able to over take a community which has been growing for 9 years prior? You didn't and garry sure as hell doesn't rely on Rust profits to run the site.[/QUOTE] You could be right about I being the minority because I honestly didnt do any research. I just belong to a 1100 person clan and its the general tone I get from the clan and most the people I talk to. I just enjoy the game and want to see the company do well so I just wanted to see if I could help with some feed back. I just have never seen a game so filled with people that hate the company (facepunch). I just want to help.

[QUOTE=Foreverwise;43362844]So is the rust company only looking for a small community?[/QUOTE] No, they are looking for a community that doesn't consist of people making posts where the answer can be found by simply google searching or looking at other threads, or posts/threads that have no positive contribution to rust at all. I've seen so many of the same threads with the same answers it actually drives me crazy. People need to learn how to use fucking google. I got this game two weeks ago and i've found all of my answers with a simple google search or with an internal search in the rust forums.