Game causing my video driver to crash. - Rust

Dear Facepunch and fellow Rust players. It has recently occurred to me that i have ran into a somewhat odd issue, and was wondering if anyone could possibly shed some light on this for me, and that if i am in the wrong section for this post, please direct me to the correct section, this is my first time creating a thread on this site. Anyways without further delay, the issue i have ran into is that periodically, and quite frequently whether i am playing rust in full screen or windowed mode after about ten minutes of play, my game will crash to either a blank black or white screen, and i would get a message on my task bar saying that my Display Driver has stopped responding and has recovered successfully. now i have tried many methods that i know of to try and trouble shoot this issue to the best of my abilities, i have checked for all possible drivers for my vid card, if it had any updates, it was all up to date, then i checked if my driver was reporting any issues or corruption, nothing, tried rolling back the drivers, issue was the same, i have also gone as far as verifying my game cache, uninstalling and doing full clean re installs of all my drivers, and reinstalling rust completely, to no avail. I have tried checking to ensure my fire wall, and anti virus weren't blocking any communications with Rust, everything was okay there as well. I have also made sure my registry was clean, no issues there. and as far as i have seen Rust is the only game that causes this issue too happen. my rig is as follows. CPU: Intel Core i7 6700 Quad core 3.4Ghz GPU: Asus Radeon R9 380 4Gb System Ram: 8 Gb's Operating System: Windows 10 Mother Board: Msi Gaming G Series Power supply Unit: Corsair gold 750W (Can go track down exact model number if needed) Tower Casing: Corsair Carbide Series AIR 540. I have done some reading around, and apparently other AMD Users, and even some Nvidia users have been experiencing this issue as well, ever since the update that integrated the Sentry Turrets and New signs and such too the experimental brand of Rust. I'm hoping that this is simply something that face punch needs to release a hot fix for, and not something that is actually wrong with my computer, because this computer is only a week old and i spent roughly $2,400 on it, and i would really hate to have to send it back to the shop and get it looked at, because that is never fun. So please if anyone has any ideas, i'm open to hear them as long as people don't start the whole, Why you using AMD use Nvidia its way better, because that is going to start an argument that can get us all in trouble, so please mature and on topic comments, thank you for taking the time to read this and hopefully someone can help me resolve this issue.

It's your tower casing. Corsair Carbides run Rust like shit. =P

All that power and you only have 8GB Ram. The game [B]recommends 16GB[/B] with [B]8GB minimum[/B]. Get some 4 GB sticks and stick them in. I came across this issues that someone else had earlier and this is what they suggested.

[QUOTE=Levy_;49039598]All that power and you only have 8GB Ram. The game [B]recommends 16GB[/B] with [B]8GB minimum[/B]. Get some 4 GB sticks and stick them in. I came across this issues that someone else had earlier and this is what they suggested.[/QUOTE] That's an uninformed comment. He can load up the game and keep tabs of what it is using. It only uses a few gig. OP have you checked your temps while you play on the GPU? Not overclocked it or anything right?

[QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49039626]That's an uninformed comment. He can load up the game and keep tabs of what it is using. It only uses a few gig. OP have you checked your temps while you play on the GPU? Not overclocked it or anything right?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/3m9nvw/latest_rust_build_crashes_my_video_within_2_to_10/[/url] Garry- "I think we’ve found the memory leak. It’s to do with shadows. It’s apparently fixed in Unity 5.2.3, which isn’t out yet. So we’re going to have to suffer for a week or so longer, sorry guys :(" Try turning your shadows down considerably and then see if the drivers are still crashing.

[QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49039626]That's an uninformed comment. He can load up the game and keep tabs of what it is using. It only uses a few gig. OP have you checked your temps while you play on the GPU? Not overclocked it or anything right?[/QUOTE] Yup i watched my temps and under load my temp doesn't go anywhere above 60 degrees Celsius, and no it is not overclock, running it at factory recommended. [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levy_;49039598]All that power and you only have 8GB Ram. The game [B]recommends 16GB[/B] with [B]8GB minimum[/B]. Get some 4 GB sticks and stick them in. I came across this issues that someone else had earlier and this is what they suggested.[/QUOTE] Well considering i'm playing Witcher 3 wild hunt maxed out settings, with Nvidia hair physics on no lag, i'm pretty sure i can run rust just fine, and like i said the issue didn't occur until after the update with the sentry guns full release, before then game ran without a hitch. Also last i recalled, there is something called having too much RAM, and seeing as most mother boards can't put out more than 8GB's at the moment, so having like 15 GB's of Ram and if mother boards can only put out 8 Gb's you have wasted unused Ram, and wasted money, if you can only put out 8GB's. I trust the knowledge of people that have been building computers from scratch for over 35 years.

[QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49042745]Yup i watched my temps and under load my temp doesn't go anywhere above 60 degrees Celsius, and no it is not overclock, running it at factory recommended. [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] Well considering i'm playing Witcher 3 wild hunt maxed out settings, with Nvidia hair physics on no lag, i'm pretty sure i can run rust just fine, and like i said the issue didn't occur until after the update with the sentry guns full release, before then game ran without a hitch. Also last i recalled, there is something called having too much RAM, and seeing as most mother boards can't put out more than 8GB's at the moment, so having like 15 GB's of Ram and if mother boards can only put out 8 Gb's you have wasted unused Ram, and wasted money, if you can only put out 8GB's. I trust the knowledge of people that have been building computers from scratch for over 35 years.[/QUOTE] TBH, Witcher is an optimized AAA game. Rust is a poorly-optimized alpha. I don't think we can come close to a comparison ther. The memory leaks are real. Did you attempt to lower the shadows? Did these 35-year specialists say that you motherboord is limited to 8GB of ram? The game is known to spike to 6+GB, and I though Chrome was bad! [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49042745] Also last i recalled, there is something called having too much RAM, and seeing as most mother boards can't put out more than 8GB's at the moment, so having like 15 GB's of Ram and if mother boards can only put out 8 Gb's you have wasted unused Ram, and wasted money, if you can only put out 8GB's. [/QUOTE] You say you have a "Msi gaming g series" What is your actual motheboard cause this gives me zero information.

[QUOTE=Levy_;49042868]TBH, Witcher is an optimized AAA game. Rust is a poorly-optimized alpha. I don't think we can come close to a comparison ther. The memory leaks are real. Did you attempt to lower the shadows? Did these 35-year specialists say that you motherboord is limited to 8GB of ram? The game is known to spike to 6+GB, and I though Chrome was bad! [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] You say you have a "Msi gaming g series" What is your actual motheboard cause this gives me zero information.[/QUOTE] Okay how about this for comparison, i can play The Forest 100% maxed no issues at all. Which also is on the Unity Engine as far as i can recall. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levy_;49042868]TBH, Witcher is an optimized AAA game. Rust is a poorly-optimized alpha. I don't think we can come close to a comparison ther. The memory leaks are real. Did you attempt to lower the shadows? Did these 35-year specialists say that you motherboord is limited to 8GB of ram? The game is known to spike to 6+GB, and I though Chrome was bad! [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] You say you have a "Msi gaming g series" What is your actual motheboard cause this gives me zero information.[/QUOTE] As for your question regarding the actual Mother board, i would need to go find the bill of sale, that has all specs on it. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] MSI Z170A GAMING PRO (MS-7984) version 1.0 is my mother board.

Stop compare games guys. The thing is Rust needs at least 12gb if you try to use anything above simple graphic. I had same problem here, drive stopped from work. Have to downgrade graphic choice to simple. I5+r9 285 here +8gb ram.

[QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49046391]Okay how about this for comparison, i can play The Forest 100% maxed no issues at all. Which also is on the Unity Engine as far as i can recall. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] As for your question regarding the actual Mother board, i would need to go find the bill of sale, that has all specs on it. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] MSI Z170A GAMING PRO (MS-7984) version 1.0 is my mother board.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so its just related to the perfeormance/optimization of Rust then. Not your drivers.

[QUOTE=rodrigoxm49;49046799]Stop compare games guys. The thing is Rust needs at least 12gb if you try to use anything above simple graphic. I had same problem here, drive stopped from work. Have to downgrade graphic choice to simple. I5+r9 285 here +8gb ram.[/QUOTE] Which is funny, because before the update that added the sentries i could play Rust at 100% maxed settings without an issue with 8Gb system ram 4Gb's vid card Ram, and since my processor is a Quacdcore i7, with roughly 16 Virtual cores at 3.4 Ghz, a strong Cpu can make up for the lack of Ram btw. you should know this using a Core i5 that doesn't have the benefit of Hyper threading, when core i7's do, so you saying i have to lower my graphics back to shite makes no sense, because it was working fine without issues at all maxed out before the sentry gun update. So please explain that to me.

Having a strong CPU will not make up for running out of RAM, and Rust has been using alot more RAM since the update, frequently exceeding 6GB on it's own with my settings (mid rangeish). The only thing that can really help mitigate the effects of running short of RAM is a fast storage device (SSD) to swap to. More RAM is still better. Hyperthreading sure as hell will not save you here. But the crash you describe doesn't seem like an out of memory error to me, it's as you said a display driver crash. In my experience this is usually caused by bad drivers, power to the GPU problems, or GPU cooling problems, in that order. It's quite possible that Rust is causing your GPU to draw more current than any other game you play, causing low voltage and a crash. I would suggest trying to run some kind of burn in benchmark like FurMark on the GPU for a while and see if it crashes again, if there's a weakness somewhere a program like FurMark should be able to expose it.

[QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49039626]That's an uninformed comment. He can load up the game and keep tabs of what it is using. It only uses a few gig. OP have you checked your temps while you play on the GPU? Not overclocked it or anything right?[/QUOTE] With the memory leak this game has now it will max out my 8GB after a 1-2 hours of playing. Then crash. I now monitor my mem usage while playing and when it gets really bad I log out and back in.

[QUOTE=Amish;49048123]With the memory leak this game has now it will max out my 8GB after a 1-2 hours of playing. Then crash. I now monitor my mem usage while playing and when it gets really bad I log out and back in.[/QUOTE] Mine sits at around 2-3gb and I leave it on for hours crafting gunpowder while I do other things. Strange how it hits everyone different.

[QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49047650]Which is funny, because before the update that added the sentries i could play Rust at 100% maxed settings without an issue with 8Gb system ram 4Gb's vid card Ram, and since my processor is a Quacdcore i7, with roughly 16 Virtual cores at 3.4 Ghz, a strong Cpu can make up for the lack of Ram btw. you should know this using a Core i5 that doesn't have the benefit of Hyper threading, when core i7's do, so you saying i have to lower my graphics back to shite makes no sense, because it was working fine without issues at all maxed out before the sentry gun update. So please explain that to me.[/QUOTE] No difference between i7 or i5 in this game, my i5 have only 50% usage and my GPU 100%. So that's no CPU botleneck. Even a i3 can handle with Rust very easily. HT makes no difference at all here btw. Like people say above, if don't have more than 8GB, forget to play it on max for now. Doesn't matter if you could play maxed out before, now it's impossible with only 8GB RAM. Doesn't matter even if you have 8GB VRAM. You need at least 12GB RAM to play several hours without crash. There's a know memory leak, it's not new but now it's worst than never.

[QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49047650]my processor is a Quacdcore i7, with roughly 16 Virtual cores at 3.4 Ghz.[/QUOTE] by memory rust doesn't actually support multithreading anyway, so this is kind of irrelevant. what else has changed on your computer?

[QUOTE=mrknifey;49052506]by memory rust doesn't actually support multithreading anyway, so this is kind of irrelevant. what else has changed on your computer?[/QUOTE] Nothing different other than updated drivers, and an anti virus i installed but this was happening before i made any of those changes, like i said it was only starting too happen once the Sentry update came full swing to the Experimental Branch. [editline]5th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49048499]Mine sits at around 2-3gb and I leave it on for hours crafting gunpowder while I do other things. Strange how it hits everyone different.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile my friend has been running it on an outdated Gpu and it doesn't do this too him and he run the game maxed, has exactly same amount of Ram i have, except his gpu was a AMD Radeon 7900 HD Series, Now he has a R9 380X Sapphire Radeon. still doesn't do it too him. [editline]5th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Amish;49048123]With the memory leak this game has now it will max out my 8GB after a 1-2 hours of playing. Then crash. I now monitor my mem usage while playing and when it gets really bad I log out and back in.[/QUOTE] Which is odd, because i'm monitoring my usage and i'm not even using above 30% of my total Cpu i still have another 70% Cpu to back me up, Card Tempts Never Exceed 75 Degrees Celsius, so my Card is on the Cold side of GPU Tempts, even my Old Crappy Gpu on my old computer never exceeded 80 degrees and it was a Radeon HD 6700, but no need to talk about that old hunk of trash when i got this new Computer, i know temperature on my computer isn't an issue when from the front all along the top and back of the casing is nothing but a giant Air Vent with 3 fans, 2 in front, one in the back and 2 fans on my Graphic Card itself, GPU fans are spinning at approximately 1945 Rpm. I guess it's possible that my Drivers may be incompatible, seeing as the R9 300 series are the newest cards out atm for Radeon so there is a good chance maybe my Driver software is not 100% compatible. but like everyone seems to be saying theres a rather large Memory leak going on, so i'll probably head down too the shop in a week or so and get another 4GB or even an 8GB Ram Chip, and install it.

What kind of RAM are you packing (from the bill of sale?)

[QUOTE=Levy_;49053219]What kind of RAM are you packing (from the bill of sale?)[/QUOTE] 8Gb's System Ram, 4Gb's from my Graphic Card, 1563402Mb's of Virtual Memory, 25,000 MB's Allocated Maximum Size allowed, 100,000 MB's. Don't think the Virtual Memory really applies here, but thats what i have.

kuro, no offence intended.. but reading your comments i know 100% sure that you know absolutely NOTHING about hardware/software.. your comments are what a grandpa would say man.. where did all that virtual memory come from? did you just went to the system settings and put that yourself? do yourself a favor and REMOVE IT COMPLETELY.. set virtual to 0. Go buy 8 more gigs or ram.. make sure you have 2x 8GB sticks of memory, the higher frequency you can find.. 1866 and up. Rust eats up a lot of ram as it's not very well coded.. it contains all kinds of memory leaks.. from unity itself and also from bad coding from garry's part. Your video card is new, but nothing strange.. those video drivers shouldn't impact on the game. are you completely sure you are not overheating on the Motherboard, cpu or any other components? have you tried a decent TEMP software like HWiNFO? for the looks of it, you may have overlooked something when building your RIG.. or whoever built it.. never trust anyone building your computer.. also get a stress tester like prime95, let it run for around an hour.. see if your computer does anything strange.. if it does, then its hardware related for sure.. could be temp or just faulty hardware.. send it back to whoever you bought it for replacement..

You searched the latest drivers and tried to reinstall them, but it might be a combination of driver version and your particular card manufacturer/model. Try installing some beta drivers, or older drivers. If it's a problem with that particular driver it should be solved with one of those 2. Try installing the beta driver from here: [url]http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows+10+-+64[/url]

[QUOTE=Tuks;49053646]where did all that virtual memory come from? did you just went to the system settings and put that yourself? do yourself a favor and REMOVE IT COMPLETELY.. set virtual to 0.[/QUOTE] Setting it to 0 is not a wise idea, because as soon as system RAM is full programs will crash due to lack of memory allocation available. Setting it to the Windows defaults would be more preferable.

[QUOTE=Tuks;49053646]kuro, no offence intended.. but reading your comments i know 100% sure that you know absolutely NOTHING about hardware/software.. your comments are what a grandpa would say man.. where did all that virtual memory come from? did you just went to the system settings and put that yourself? do yourself a favor and REMOVE IT COMPLETELY.. set virtual to 0. Go buy 8 more gigs or ram.. make sure you have 2x 8GB sticks of memory, the higher frequency you can find.. 1866 and up. Rust eats up a lot of ram as it's not very well coded.. it contains all kinds of memory leaks.. from unity itself and also from bad coding from garry's part. Your video card is new, but nothing strange.. those video drivers shouldn't impact on the game. are you completely sure you are not overheating on the Motherboard, cpu or any other components? have you tried a decent TEMP software like HWiNFO? for the looks of it, you may have overlooked something when building your RIG.. or whoever built it.. never trust anyone building your computer.. also get a stress tester like prime95, let it run for around an hour.. see if your computer does anything strange.. if it does, then its hardware related for sure.. could be temp or just faulty hardware.. send it back to whoever you bought it for replacement..[/QUOTE] If you actually read my posts instead of bashing me and insulting me, looking like a massive ignorant Buffoon you would have seen my Temps do not ever exceed 75 degrees that is on the Cold side of temps for Cpus and Gpus, and if you had half a brain, look at what i said my casing is Corsair Carbide Series 540 entire front and top of the casing is noting but one giant air vent 3 fans running at almost 2000 rpm, so before you bash me, how about you actually READ the comments correctly, instead of bashing me like a twat, that half asses his comments, thank you and have a nice day. not going to be polite with you seeing as you want to start a fight by insulting me. [editline]5th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bilgacosmin;49053737]You searched the latest drivers and tried to reinstall them, but it might be a combination of driver version and your particular card manufacturer/model. Try installing some beta drivers, or older drivers. If it's a problem with that particular driver it should be solved with one of those 2. Try installing the beta driver from here: [url]http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows+10+-+64[/url][/QUOTE] Don't need any sites to download drivers off of, that is all handled by AMD Catalyst Control Center. But i appreciate it nonetheless. [editline]5th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49055140]Setting it to 0 is not a wise idea, because as soon as system RAM is full programs will crash due to lack of memory allocation available. Setting it to the Windows defaults would be more preferable.[/QUOTE] Which is funny, because those numbers were like that the first time i went into my Virtual memory settings, so those are the default Values. [editline]5th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bilgacosmin;49053737]You searched the latest drivers and tried to reinstall them, but it might be a combination of driver version and your particular card manufacturer/model. Try installing some beta drivers, or older drivers. If it's a problem with that particular driver it should be solved with one of those 2. Try installing the beta driver from here: [url]http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows+10+-+64[/url][/QUOTE] My Driver is already on the most up to date Beta Driver Driver Packaging Version 15.201.1151.1005-151012a-295347E-ATI Catalyst Version 15.10 Beta Provider Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 2D Driver Version 8.01.01.1500 2D Driver File Path /REGISTRY/MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet001/Control/Class/{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}/0000 Direct3D Version 9.14.10.01128 OpenGL Version 6.14.10.13399 Mantle Driver Version 9.1.10.0095 Mantle API Version 98309 AMD Catalyst Control Center Version 2015.1012.1345.22892 AMD Audio Driver Version 10.0.0.01 Like i said, i appreciate the offer / help via the link, but i installed that stuff the first day i got my computer lol.

[QUOTE=Tuks;49053646]kuro, no offence intended.. but reading your comments i know 100% sure that you know absolutely NOTHING about hardware/software.. your comments are what a grandpa would say man.. where did all that virtual memory come from? did you just went to the system settings and put that yourself? do yourself a favor and REMOVE IT COMPLETELY.. set virtual to 0. Go buy 8 more gigs or ram.. make sure you have 2x 8GB sticks of memory, the higher frequency you can find.. 1866 and up. Rust eats up a lot of ram as it's not very well coded.. it contains all kinds of memory leaks.. from unity itself and also from bad coding from garry's part. Your video card is new, but nothing strange.. those video drivers shouldn't impact on the game. are you completely sure you are not overheating on the Motherboard, cpu or any other components? have you tried a decent TEMP software like HWiNFO? for the looks of it, you may have overlooked something when building your RIG.. or whoever built it.. never trust anyone building your computer.. also get a stress tester like prime95, let it run for around an hour.. see if your computer does anything strange.. if it does, then its hardware related for sure.. could be temp or just faulty hardware.. send it back to whoever you bought it for replacement..[/QUOTE] As if i'm going to take any advice from you after you blatantly insulted and bashed me for absolutely no reason at all, far as i'm concerned, you don't exist in this forum so please go take your ranting somewhere someone actually cares.

[QUOTE=Kuro The Brav;49060465]As if i'm going to take any advice from you after you blatantly insulted and bashed me for absolutely no reason at all, far as i'm concerned, you don't exist in this forum so please go take your ranting somewhere someone actually cares.[/QUOTE] Did you ever get it fixed? If not I can't see you getting any more help around here

[QUOTE=halfhand2012;49064279]Did you ever get it fixed? If not I can't see you getting any more help around here[/QUOTE] Nope even after the recent update saying the memory leak was fixed, issue still happening, at this point i honestly think Garry needs to quit while he is ahead, and sell him game to a developer that is actually going to do things correctly, yes i understand developing a game is no easy task by any means, but you would think with the amount of people in Face Punch, you would think things would be better off, i mean if you look at the forest, first month of development a 4 man team had better coding than rust ever saw, and still continues that trend. So really at this point ive uninstalled Rust, and i'm no longer supporting the game, until either Garry gives the game to a developer that will do it right, (As if that will ever happen) Or until Garry actually improves his methods. Because at this point it's like garry says, heres my idea make it happen, i give you zero direction what to do, but make it happen. it is as if garry has no physical role in the games development. So the issue has totally ruined the game for me, not to mention this new Horrendously Ugly building system that was just added, pillars in the center of foundations, and no pillars allowed on triangle foundations? Game is officially broken because of that.