WARNING! Admin Abuse on Multiplay::WIPED 1/9 /2X.LOOT/2X.GATHER/MATURE.ADMINS /KITS - Rust

Hello just wanted to share this with all you rust players. So you can avoid the same problem as us. [video=youtube;ULPpf_-ecjQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULPpf_-ecjQ[/video] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULPpf_-ecjQ"]YouTube Video Link[/URL] Me and some friends was playing on this server. Multiplay::WIPED 1/9 /2X.LOOT/2X.GATHER/MATURE.ADMINS /KITS IP: 50.23.129.113:28315 Where admin took all hes good stuff in hes inventory and turned on god mode. This resulted in our raid was prevented by the admin JR Ewing holding on to all hes C4 and so on. Also its worth mentioning that he threten us with ban and so on if we even tryed to raid hes base. Something we did not care about at the time we assumed he was more mature then that. When complaining about this in chat we got BANNED from the server.. Real professional guys......

This server is flooded hackers.

If you want a server with "mature admins" don't play on servers that have 2x loot and 2 x gather.

what i don't get is why the admin is being a little bitch and letting you guys push him around. he should either tp/walk away, or abuse you properly by sending you into the clouds until you ragequit XD to summarize the same point i make every time, server admins can do whatever they want if its their server. if you don't like it, leave. that way, if an admin abuses too many people, they won't have any players left to abuse. either way, you don't have the RIGHT to play there, you are afforded a courtesy. i will say this though, most servers with the words "mature admins" are unlikely to have any.

Lol I play with the server owner. We made a giant metal base and samed it auchwitz and rounded up every naked we could find. If you want to play the game seriously, don't play that server

[QUOTE=Travis10123;45928400]If you want a server with "mature admins" don't play on servers that have 2x loot and 2 x gather.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit! Our server has an great admin team of 4 wich are all 25+ and really serious, we have the resource multiplier in because we want people to be creative and don't have to farm for hours

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;45929594]That's bullshit! Our server has an great admin team of 4 wich are all 25+ and really serious, we have the resource multiplier in because we want people to be creative and don't have to farm for hours[/QUOTE] I totally agree. Increased Gather rate and loot rates don't equal bad admin attitudes. Just trying to make unique servers.

[QUOTE=Travis10123;45928400]If you want a server with "mature admins" don't play on servers that have 2x loot and 2 x gather.[/QUOTE] I really have to agree here. It doesn't mean that every server with 2x loot and 2x gather has bad admins, Bastwiest and skinnyfat, there's always exceptions to rules, but I have really noticed that these easy mode minecraft servers mostly have easy mode minecraft server admins (or they spawned from "we're sick of all the hackers and admin abuse, we'll make our own server"). Especially when it comes to "raiding the admin base", which in itself is a completely retarded concept. Honestly, if an admin has a non-legit base he should have put it somewhere players can not find and if it's a legit base he should not complain about being raided. This kind of inconsequential behaviour is absolutely retarded and when an admin tells me not to raid his base, I'd be fuck this server at that point. If you need to play with the caution not to raid an admin base because he could be pissed at you, it's crap and you need to move servers anyways, abusive admin or not.

I guess we are the exception then, we keep it legit. I'm the admin of the admins so to say. I can't spawn in things I only moderate the server, and check the other admins that can spawn in stuff. So we have a good system of ruling out abuse, but I trust them completely. It's just an extra, I know how it go's when you are an admin. It starts with one pillar you're short and you end up spawning in 20x20x20 metal bases and tp-ing all the time.. About the admins being raided, we encourage players to raid us. We rather have advanced players raiding and shooting us then newbees and raiding 1x1's we try to be as noob friendly as possible. And the admins don't care about loot anymore. Just like to farm and build stuff, we build an awesome arena for instance. (I'm not gonna spam our server here, but if your interested click the link under my profile pic.)

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;45930623]I guess we are the exception then, we keep it legit. I'm the admin of the admins so to say. I can't spawn in things I only moderate the server, and check the other admins that can spawn in stuff. So we have a good system of ruling out abuse, but I trust them completely. It's just an extra, I know how it go's when you are an admin. It starts with one pillar you're short and you end up spawning in 20x20x20 metal bases and tp-ing all the time.. About the admins being raided, we encourage players to raid us. We rather have advanced players raiding and shooting us then newbees and raiding 1x1's we try to be as noob friendly as possible. And the admins don't care about loot anymore. Just like to farm and build stuff, we build an awesome arena for instance. (I'm not gonna spam our server here, but if your interested click the link under my profile pic.)[/QUOTE] i think the difference is the combination. your server allows admins to play, but doesnt allow them to spawn in gear, which means they have to play "properly" to build areas. it also encourages normal play with admins, which is great (can be risky if the admins are dodgy, but the payoff is huge if they are reliable and trustworthy). i would play on your server, and i am confident that the admins would be evenhanded in their management. it looks like a few things going wrong in the above video. the admin is too invested, and somehow ended up cornered by 4 kevs with m4's. they are then trying to "morally" pressure him to remove god mode so they can loot his body. he felt like he couldn't (for whatever reason), drops "all" the loot and uses the excuse of "if i die, you will be able to loot my invis gear, so i can't" and they end up at a stalemate. i'l be honest, i dont know if invis gear is lootable, so i don't know if it is a genuine issue. the reality is though, its the admins discretion what happens in a situation like this. the OP should stop trying to demand certain behaviors from an admin; the only one with the right to do that is the owner, because they are paying for the server and need to protect their investment. maybe he grabbed all his good gear, maybe he didn't. there's no proof above of that either way, and banning is also probably because you guys were telling him what to do.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45930752]i'l be honest, i dont know if invis gear is lootable, so i don't know if it is a genuine issue.[/QUOTE] Absolutely none of the admin gear can be looted by a player. When someone dies with any Uber or Invisibility stuff on them, it will be removed from their inventory. When they log out when they wear Invisibility Armor, they will logout without a sleeper and once they log in, the Invisibility Armor will be gone. There is *no* way for a player to get any Uber or Invisibility items without using inv.giveplayer. Also if you try to drag these items out of your inventory to drop them or to put them in a crate, they will be destroyed. [QUOTE=Bastwiest;45930623]About the admins being raided, we encourage players to raid us. We rather have advanced players raiding and shooting us then newbees and raiding 1x1's we try to be as noob friendly as possible.[/QUOTE] To me, admins should just be normal players. They play, and when they do, they know better what's good or bad for the server than when they'd just idle for problems. They should only be on admin duty when it's required and imho only the hosting admin should have RCON access, the others shouldn't. There's plenty of better solutions than giving people the RCON password. Most people don't understand that admins who actually play on the server is the best thing for a server... It's only a problem if the admin plays like a noob (meaning he can't be bothered to go and find wood for that one missing pillar or cries when their base gets raided) and has to use them admin powers to deal with it. But only a fraction of the admins know this and do it the right way (because, psssh, the others aren't admins, they're players who bought a server!)

Sorry Cachl, I wanted to click agreed instead of disagreed! Yes we use Rusted, only the owner has the Rcon passwords the other admins don't. Works great for us.

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;45930873]Sorry Cachl, I wanted to click agreed instead of disagreed![/QUOTE] it's never too late to change ;)

That's why rust essentials is such a great mod. You can give moderator permissions, and customize what permissions your admins have in the config file. I am the only admin on my server but I have multiple moderators that can't spawn anything and have to play fair like everyone else. They can kick players but banning is up to me after fair review...

It would be nice to see the beginning of the video since we have no backstory. I dont get how he took all of his good stuff if you were already raiding him? [editline]9th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=theplayer;45928323]This server is flooded hackers.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, all servers appear to be flooded with hackers.

[QUOTE=racialmilk;45929044]Lol I play with the server owner. We made a giant metal base and samed it auchwitz and rounded up every naked we could find. If you want to play the game seriously, don't play that server[/QUOTE] ROFL that literally never happened. that was a joke that I said ONE time in teh server and i even appologized for it xD Jeeze, the way people make shit up some times. Not one person was "rounded up", The metal base was 4x1x4, i mean... cmon what kinda bullshit is this? [editline]9th September 2014[/editline] Also, the original people who created this post were banned for all of 4 hours, we talked to them for a long time very maturely, and all came to an agreement to let bygones be bygones. Have a fresh start. They are now happily enjoying our server again, having fun, just like before. We are not unreasonable people here. I Personally dont even hire under the age of 18. I extensively interview my staff and give everyone a very detailed educated breakdown of how i want my server run. I honestly dont know another server owner that caters to the needs of his players as accurately and efficiently as we have managed to do. I will admit though, with 15000 players coming in/out a WEEK.. it proves to be very challenging to please everyone. Running a server is hard guys, try it before you try to tell me what i do is wrong.

lmao "inwisable" armor...... lmao

There's always going to be a conflict of interest whenever an admin is also a player. Even if the admins play as "regular players", with regular bases that are vulnerable like everyone else's, regular farming, regular shootouts and so on, they are still there to do a job, and doing that job means teleporting to people to check them out, teleporting to bases to make sure they're not glitched, and so on. This means they know where your bases are, their layout, what's in them, etc. So one night the admins decide to go on a raid. As a result of being admins they already know where all the bases are, which bases are vulnerable, and which have good loot. It's not possible for them to simply "stop knowing this" before they head out for a raid. A few days ago I started on a new server and built a base two valleys past hacker, and nestled in rocks. Two days ago admins came over to check me out (they thought I had rock glitched into the base, we all had a good laugh when I opened the front door!). This was good admin work and I thanked them for being active. But when I went back into the game the next day, my base had been raided. Who do you think raided it?

[QUOTE=detoxboss;45936515]ROFL that literally never happened. that was a joke that I said ONE time in teh server and i even appologized for it xD Jeeze, the way people make shit up some times. Not one person was "rounded up", The metal base was 4x1x4, i mean... cmon what kinda bullshit is this? [editline]9th September 2014[/editline] Also, the original people who created this post were banned for all of 4 hours, we talked to them for a long time very maturely, and all came to an agreement to let bygones be bygones. Have a fresh start. They are now happily enjoying our server again, having fun, just like before. We are not unreasonable people here. I Personally dont even hire under the age of 18. I extensively interview my staff and give everyone a very detailed educated breakdown of how i want my server run. I honestly dont know another server owner that caters to the needs of his players as accurately and efficiently as we have managed to do. I will admit though, with 15000 players coming in/out a WEEK.. it proves to be very challenging to please everyone. Running a server is hard guys, try it before you try to tell me what i do is wrong.[/QUOTE] I had to make it up for Garry's sake Jason.

[QUOTE=allmhuran;45946830]teleporting to people to check them out, teleporting to bases to make sure they're not glitched, and so on. This means they know where your bases are, their layout, what's in them, etc.[/QUOTE] This is called meta gaming and only bad admins do that. The real deal can handle meta information properly. Don't confuse players who bought a server with admins that play on their server. [QUOTE=allmhuran;45946830]It's not possible for them to simply "stop knowing this" before they head out for a raid.[/QUOTE] Wrong! I suggest playing DnD or some other pen&paper game where you learn this skill. to me, most admins should know how to handle meta information. but to me, most rust servers aren't actually run by admins...

its not possible for an admin to forget metadata they have learnt in their role as admin, but it is possible to avoid using it. for example, if you are raiding a place you know, not being the person leading the party. also, avoiding raiding places that you have a firsthand knowledge of the interior of. as gachl said, its a matter of almost hampering yourself, ie not acting on knowledge you have unless you can gain it in the "player" role. like not blowing the 3 walls to head directly the loot room, but actually using the doors. admittedly some people can't play like this because they are overwhelmed with thoughts of "winning", but if the focus is having fun, people can do this just fine;)

tankton told me another thing just now which I have actually never really thought about. If "you" (figuratively) are an admin and you can spawn everything and know where peoples bases are... why would you want to raid those bases? what's the point? you wouldn't get anything that you couldn't get by typing a command, you wouldn't "find" a base and "find" the loot because you already know. there is absolutely no point in raiding player bases with this kind of meta knowledge and admin power to your hands other than pissing of the players. I don't see the point of using admin power or meta information while playing, "admins" who do this aren't playing the game for fun but to drive away the players on their server. Why would anyone do this when it's not for "teeeheheheh i suck so much at rust i need to abuse all my powers and knowledge to win this game because when i play legit i get killed and raided all the time look at how much i suck". [QUOTE=mrknifey;45949284]not being the person leading the party[/QUOTE] see this? this is what smart people do. they make it so they can not use their meta information. good! thank you!

For what it's worth, I have played on this server regularly over the past couple weeks, and it is one of the best run servers I've played 'post-experimental'. The admins do due diligence with dealing with hackers and have been very fair. It is relatively hacker free which is saying a lot at this point of legacy's lifetime when hackers run rampant over most servers.

This tiresome fallacy of 'ownership = no abuse' gets pushed out at least once or twice in every thread of this type. The fact that you own a server does NOT... invalidate the existence of "admin abuse". Admin abuse is a subjective concept based on the nearly universal implicit expectation among competitive multiplayer server-based online gamers, regarding how admin powers and tools should and should not be used. [B]Unless it's specifically noted otherwise[/B], players expect the server will be run on a relatively level playing field, within the context of the game. Disrupting combat with god mode, scouting bases while invisible, giving out or taking items without a legitimate administrative reason... these are all things that everyone with common sense immediately recognizes as an [I]abuse[/I] of the administrative powers that we [I]expect[/I] to be used to administer the game. Now... if the server owner makes it clear the server rules are something quite different, that expectation is now moot and players can feel free to jog on. On a server named "My world, I'll fucking do whatever I want and ban you for any reason"... players don't experience admin abuse for two reasons: 1) everything is allowed, and 2) [B]there are no players[/B]. The whole point of these threads is to expose abusive admins... to warn people away from the server, to shame the admin into rehabilitation, and possibly to motivate the server owner to take action if not the same as the admin (which seems to be the case here). The fact that somebody pays for the server does NOT mean they shouldn't be held accountable in the community forum, or that people shouldn't expect or demand certain standards from them.... it just means they're under no real obligation to listen. Most people don't pay to host a server so they can lord over an empty map, or prey upon the one or two people who log on. Server owners want players... this helps promote the active policing of admin actions, and transparent discussion about server policies.

"Trust me when I say i'll make this server look bad" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=wesjr;45935329]Unfortunately, all servers appear to be flooded with hackers.[/QUOTE] On the smaller servers I play it is fine. I think official and maybe a few other servers are overrun. Also, as a player who has played a lot, I am happy to be on a higher loot or resource server.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;45949284]for example, if you are raiding a place you know, not being the person leading the party. also, avoiding raiding places that you have a firsthand knowledge of the interior of.[/quote] I agree that if the admin is not leading the party, nor informing the leader of targets, then there's no problem. And it's probable that most of the people posting here play on fairly well populated servers where this is how things work. But on the Australian servers there generally aren't that many people and the admins (at least on the servers I've been on) don't team up with non admins, there's just not really enough of a population for that. Admins are a team (or a player) unto themselves. In such a case, if the admin chooses to also be a regular player, there's just no way around the problem. Just to be clear, I'm not saying the admin is "at fault" or "being abusive". I'm simply saying that if they are doing their job as admin well then there's information that they can't help but have.

I totally agree with Murdo and allmhuran. I agree that admins, even though they are allowed to do whatever they want without anyone to stop them because after all they bought the server with their money, have certain responsibilities and liability towards the community once they open their server and advertise it towards this community. These threads aren't about taking sanctions or slapping abusive admins on the hand for admin abusing, it's about warning the community that it might not be a proper server to play on. What allmhuran says is very true, it's practically impossible to play or especially raid on your own server and admin it at the same time because you'll always have prior knowledge and advantages over the average player that you picked up while administrating the server. Even if this does not happen and somehow you are able to forget this metadata, you'll probably incite a lot of drama on your server if it comes to the victim's knowledge his base was raided by the admin when he's already been in his base to do his admin job. Even if you're 100% not admin abusing somehow, some people will always blame it on that if you win against them. From personal experience as a playing admin, a non playing admin and a usual player I believe the best thing to do is to NOT play on your own server if you want to have a successful population/community with a small amount of drama :P.

[QUOTE=wesjr;45935329] Unfortunately, all servers appear to be flooded with hackers.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1403107"]There are servers that ban every russian IP and everyone that ever had a VAC ban. Seems to work out great :)[/URL]

Hey Tankton you here to man! Wich server do you play?