Rust crashing my 6850. NOT OVERHEATING, read please
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So here it is: I am running a Sapphire HD6850 which runs many many games just fine at max settings and 60 fps. I can also run Rust at 60 fps on the max settings, but after about 20-30 minutes both of my monitors will go black: here's the kicker, I can hear my skype and the rest of my computer functions just fine which leads one to think that my video card drivers go to shit.
Most people would say it's overheating at this point--but it's not. My temps on my card at this point are around ~65 deg C. I ran FurMark many times (a benchmark test that loads your GPU) and the card gets to 75 deg C just fine.
I have played other games as well with these same drivers and they run just fine (BF3, Deadspace, GTA etc).
What's the dealio? What can I do to fix this?
I have tried grass.on = FALSE just in case. Doesn't seem to help at all.
I'd really like to play this game, but at this point I just want my money back...I can't play for 10-15 minutes before it shits out on me and I have to restart.
This has to be a driver or card specific issue for Rust...I just don't know what to do.
Bump? I've seen some other people having this issue...but still not resolution. What can I do to get this fixed?
This is happening to me as well on my R9 290. VERY ANNOYING!
Same exact thing happening and it can vary from time to time, sometimes I can play 2+ hours with nothing, sometimes 5 minutes. Very strange indeed. Any help/tips would be greatly appreciated!
Yeah, definitely in the same situation. I'm not exactly sure if it's relevant, but every now and then my console is spammed with some errors specific to Unity3D I think. I tried the whole grass.on false thing, to no avail.
Yeah I always turn grass off. Just to see sleepers easier :P
are you sure it isn't overheating?
i'm asking because benchmark tests doesn't always give the right picture..
for example - my fan on my default 6950 cooler stopped working few days back, and since then i'm messing about.. i put 3 fans on that cooler (but main central one is smaller and slower than original one), and i have one old zalman gpu cooler.. so last 2 days i was trying everything to keep temps below 80c and be able to play..
thing is when i was testing with unigine valley bencmark (or something like that, i0m bad with names :) even though he put gpu at 100%, every scene he changes, while he loads next one, there is time when gpu usage drops and gpu manage to cool just a little bit..
while in rust is different, and game is pretty much always at full usage and constant rendering ans such..
finally i undervolt and underclocked my graphic card, but still it goes to 80c when in full load, and some temps in gpu-z says over 100..
so today i was trying to reduce gpu load ingame, and had some success..
i basically followed some advices from this thread:
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1341428[/url]
and disable that rendering stuff, and trees.. grass is off and that replacement and all others..
result is usage is little lower, when in static place it goes down to 80ish%.. but when i'm let's say on top of my house, looking huge part of map, then usage goes near 100 and temps go up..
even though.. while playing it goes up to some 73c..
i just closed game to try and cap fps to 60 and see if there is difference..
i forget to say - game looks like shit now :) but till new cooler come it's enough :=
so, run msi afterburner or some other realtime temp monitoring and see what is happening..
although, yeah.. doesn't seem like overheating problem, but just in case..
It's not overheating the R9 temps are safe at 95 and I'm nowhere near that :/
Guess I'll try capping my fps and see what happens.
I use Sapphire Trixxx to monitor my temps on a second monitor while rust is running. Temps are around 55-65 C just before both monitors turn black.
[editline]2nd January 2014[/editline]
I tried capping my fps as well to no avail.
Weird forcing vsync not working for me :/
Doesn't seem to do anything anyways.
Would love to hear from more people on this!
I mentioned I tried capping my fps, but apparently my catalyst control center isn't actually capping it. My fps is running around 110 in game--are there any other programs that I can use to force the cap?
Tried the same with CCC, put vsync to always on but still running at 110-120 in game. 350 in main menu. Not sure about 3rd party programs for fps capping.
Okay. I am using a program called RadeonPro to force vsync. Will try it out and report back.
EDIT: It is forcing 60fps. Will report back to let you guys know if this helps out in crashing or not.
[QUOTE=Aphit;43396476]Okay. I am using a program called RadeonPro to force vsync. Will try it out and report back.
EDIT: It is forcing 60fps. Will report back to let you guys know if this helps out in crashing or not.[/QUOTE]
Let me know man! Waiting on that reply
vsync and limiting fps isn't the same thing..
not every game can vsync, and rust apparently cannot..
but you can limit with msi afterburner very easy (with rivatuner part of the program)..
i limited before to try and reduce load and it work well..
So far it's working well for me with capping at 60 and all of the settings from that post Kudaaa gave.
Have you tried kicking your computer really hard?
Tried limiting my fps, still crashed after about 60 minutes. Card was not running hot at all. This stinks :( Wanna play rust!
You haven't done any debugging yet.
This can be caused by many diffrent issues. Get [URL="http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html"]HWMonitor[/URL] to monitor your entire computer's temps, voltages and fan speeds. Post back the result after playing for a little while.
Post your entire computer specs aswell as power supply wattage. This can be because your GPU isn't getting enough power from the power supply. If you've overclocked any hardware in your PC, try downclock it to standard clock and have another go at the game.
[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;43398817]You haven't done any debugging yet.
This can be caused by many diffrent issues. Get [URL="http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html"]HWMonitor[/URL] to monitor your entire computer's temps, voltages and fan speeds. Post back the result after playing for a little while.
Post your entire computer specs aswell as power supply wattage. This can be because your GPU isn't getting enough power from the power supply. If you've overclocked any hardware in your PC, try downclock it to standard clock and have another go at the game.[/QUOTE]
Will post the results tomorrow but I doubt it's my PSU, why would this be the only game affecting me in this way? I'm running games way more demanding then this one fine.
I5 2500k OC'd 4.2ghz
ATI R9 290 sapphire stock
8 gigs ram
PSU 700 watt
Windows 64 bit
Sabertooth P67 MB
I ended up running the game last night for about 4.5 hours without any issues. Something helped out--I'll let you guys know if I run into any other issues as well or if it works still.
[QUOTE=Prexxus;43399027]Will post the results tomorrow but I doubt it's my PSU, why would this be the only game affecting me in this way? I'm running games way more demanding then this one fine.
I5 2500k OC'd 4.2ghz
ATI R9 290 sapphire stock
8 gigs ram
[B][U]PSU 700 watt[/U][/B]
Windows 64 bit
Sabertooth P67 MB[/QUOTE]
This means nothing. What brand and model is it?
The way PSUs work, the wattage on the label is negligible when it comes to most brands.
Effective (read real) wattage on a PSU is what matters, and that has to be discovered through benching. Voltage stability, active protection, ripple, Cap quality, overall component quality, amperage per rail (very important), and efficience are what you should be looking at when picking a power supply.
Either way, a full PSU stress test using OCCT should clear those issues out (make sure your power supply is worth a damn before testing, or it might go boom).
I'd advise a full system level video driver sweep, it's most likely the culprit.
I have to admit I don't know nearly enough about PSU's as I should and the one I own now was actually "inherited" after my OCZ gave out on me.
Currently using a [url]http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-accessories/RF-700WPS2.html[/url]
Rocketfish 700wPS2
Honestly if this is the problem I'd be more then willing to replace it with a better one. It just served me well until now so I thought it was fine.
Is it right for my build? How can I tell?
As for the clean driver sweep I have actually just recently done that a week ago.
Thanks for the help guys, I really do appreciate.
[QUOTE=Prexxus;43409327]I have to admit I don't know nearly enough about PSU's as I should and the one I own now was actually "inherited" after my OCZ gave out on me.
Currently using a [url]http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-accessories/RF-700WPS2.html[/url]
Rocketfish 700wPS2
Honestly if this is the problem I'd be more then willing to replace it with a better one. It just served me well until now so I thought it was fine.
Is it right for my build? How can I tell?
As for the clean driver sweep I have actually just recently done that a week ago.
Thanks for the help guys, I really do appreciate.[/QUOTE]
Not enough information on that page unfortunately, only thing you can do is test as mentioned earlier but if we can see amps per rail would be helpful. Test it with a multi-meter or some software is best advise but me personally I am lazy and have spend wastefully so I just go buy a new one, never kept the same PSU for more than a couple years cause they always crap out and degrade.
[QUOTE=Prexxus;43409327]I have to admit I don't know nearly enough about PSU's as I should and the one I own now was actually "inherited" after my OCZ gave out on me.
Currently using a [url]http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-accessories/RF-700WPS2.html[/url]
Rocketfish 700wPS2
Honestly if this is the problem I'd be more then willing to replace it with a better one. It just served me well until now so I thought it was fine.
Is it right for my build? How can I tell?
As for the clean driver sweep I have actually just recently done that a week ago.
Thanks for the help guys, I really do appreciate.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guided myself with [URL="http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rocketfish-700-W-Power-Supply-Review/556/1"]this[/URL] review.
You can jump right to the conclusion if you want to (and skip all the technical jargon), but to summarize it, the power supply isn't bad. It isn't great (considering it's price range), but it seems to definitely output the labeled wattage of 700, which is good. It also seems to have stable voltage and decent protection.
If the power supply isn't old (more than 4 years old), I'm almost sure it isn't the problem.
Also (a tip for the future) don't rely on software readings for power supplies, they seldom work. Try to get the readings from the BIOS if you have to, or use your motherboards proprietary software if it has one (these have a greater chance of working properly).
I'd rule out the PSU as a problem for now.
Your problems are most likely drivers, or possibly memory. But i'm more inclined to think it's a driver issue. It's strange since you actually wiped the drivers (at least the OP did). Try to use an older version of Catalyst, 3 or 4 versions behind.
What you are experiencing looks like a video driver crash. This can happen for software and hardware reasons though. Is your card overclocked by any chance? Or does it come OCed form factory? Does it have a factory overvoltage like some ASUS ones? Does the cooler that comes with the card cover the VRAM chips?
Have you tried a testing program like OCCT for example? That one tends to catch onto instabilities rather quick in my experience.
I just took your advice and ran a 30 minute test on OCCT on the PSU tab, everything went fine. I could post some of the screenshots here with the details if you'd like.
The PSU is getting a little old, think it's about to hit 3 years now.
I did do the clean sweep yeah, just last week and got the latest beta drivers.
The only thing that is OC'd is my CPU. My R9 290 Sapphire is stock and does not seem to be factory OC'd either.
Really strange it only happens with this game as well. I can run Metro last light full blast for hours without a hint of trouble. But Rust is a whole other story, I tried playing earlier and did not last 30 minutes.
Going back in driver versions would kind of suck for my card :/ They just changed them to get the fan speed working properly.
I would say to check you're monitor cables are secure. I know it may sound ridiculous but the mini display port can come loose really easy and sometimes just stop working. (happened to me on multiple cards now)
Can people please confirm what I think I already know those with the issue of the screen going blank (aka gfx turning off) are all running ATI cards? if so could you all post what version of the catalyst your running ?as there is a good chance there is a certain family of drivers that might be having issues with the way rust is performing shaders and various other features within the unity3D engine that is crashing the cards.
@Aphit although it will look crappy and text will be un-readable can you launch rust with -force-opengl and see how long it lasts. or using -force-feature-9-3.
[QUOTE=KuroSaru;43412836]Can people please confirm what I think I already know those with the issue of the screen going blank (aka gfx turning off) are all running ATI cards? if so could you all post what version of the catalyst your running ?as there is a good chance there is a certain family of drivers that might be having issues with the way rust is performing shaders and various other features within the unity3D engine that is crashing the cards.
@Aphit although it will look crappy and text will be un-readable can you launch rust with -force-opengl and see how long it lasts. or using -force-feature-9-3.[/QUOTE]
Every single person ive seen with this problem has been running AMD graphics cards. R9290 with catalyst 13.11 here
AMD uses higher thermal power designs. Basically, your GPU is trying to suck more power from your PSU and failing to do so. Causes a choke and most of the time, a freeze/crash. Stick to Nvidia. Not saying that as a fanboy, saying that because I've used ATI/AMD many many times and I never have good results with them. Fans die, GPU's blow out... gets a little old rather fast.
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