Save Legacy! - Rust - Facepunch Forum

Last year when Rust was at its peak, nobody would have thought it would take the direction that it did. The version of Rust from back then is now known as Legacy, or Old Rust. If you ask some of the most hardcore Rust players, who put the most hours into it, they will tell you that Legacy was more fun and much more fluid than the "new" version of Rust. Even though the building is more complex and honestly better in the new Rust, that isn't what the players want. As a developer you have the right to make whatever you choose as you are spending your time, efforts, and ultimately money to make a title. But wouldn't you want to make more money / please the people that gave you money in the Alpha stage of your game? On behalf of myself, and every single player that still joins Legacy servers only to get rekt by hackers with one game and DDoSers, PLEASE UPDATE RUST LEGACY! (Or at least open source it to those who will.) Also, here is a link to the petition involving the legacy branch of Rust. If you are apprehensive about entering any personal information, feel free to enter random info. It's simply the vote that counts; we want the developers to notice this! [url]https://www.change.org/p/facepunch-studios-rust-game-devs-start-updating-rust-legacy-old-rust-again[/url] Thank you.

Legacy players have been consistently towards new rust for a couple months now. You people need to let that PoS die already new rust is far superior. The only person who really wants everything back to legacy just want the game to be finished as quickly as possible even if that means releasing a half finished pile of garbage. For proof, just look at how the most "hardcore" fans of rust; the ones who say legacy is so much better, all seem to have facepunch accounts with <10 posts made. They clearly don't pay attention to the development process, or care enough to contribute to it.

legacy needs to go away, the new rust is far superior

Darn, it won't let me click disagree, dumb, and late. I can only vote for one : (

[QUOTE=whiskeyy;47403012]Last year when Rust was at its peak, nobody would have thought it would take the direction that it did. The version of Rust from back then is now known as Legacy, or Old Rust. If you ask some of the most hardcore Rust players, who put the most hours into it, they will tell you that Legacy was more fun and much more fluid than the "new" version of Rust. Even though the building is more complex and honestly better in the new Rust, that isn't what the players want. As a developer you have the right to make whatever you choose as you are spending your time, efforts, and ultimately money to make a title. But wouldn't you want to make more money / please the people that gave you money in the Alpha stage of your game? On behalf of myself, and every single player that still joins Legacy servers only to get rekt by hackers with one game and DDoSers, PLEASE UPDATE RUST LEGACY! (Or at least open source it to those who will.) Also, here is a link to the petition involving the legacy branch of Rust. If you are apprehensive about entering any personal information, feel free to enter random info. It's simply the vote that counts; we want the developers to notice this! [url]https://www.change.org/p/facepunch-studios-rust-game-devs-start-updating-rust-legacy-old-rust-again[/url] Thank you.[/QUOTE] What exactly is it about legacy that Rust currently lacks that is so much better?

a couple of doubles, a few fake names, and more of this "nobody likes new rust anyway" unfounded crap... good luck with the petition, but honestly it's up to the devs, no one else. i see no reason for them to split their power by working on both, and even less reason to work on a broken, glitch infested working example, even if people liked it. legacy had so many limitations, and so many holes in the code; which alongside the lack of updates is exactly why it is so hack infested. it's a bit like taking a sketch on a napkin, and trying to make it into an oil painting; sometimes you need to use the original image as inspiration for a better one, even if it doesn't look like you imagined it.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;47403057]Legacy players have been consistently towards new rust for a couple months now. You people need to let that PoS die already new rust is far superior. The only person who really wants everything back to legacy just want the game to be finished as quickly as possible even if that means releasing a half finished pile of garbage. For proof, just look at how the most "hardcore" fans of rust; the ones who say legacy is so much better, all seem to have facepunch accounts with <10 posts made. They clearly don't pay attention to the development process, or care enough to contribute to it.[/QUOTE] Look, when I say "hardcore" Rust players, I mean people who have dedicated an immense amount of time toward improving the old game's community and towards improving their overall skill. You cannot simply categorize them as slackers because they have never contributed to a Facepunch forum that they may have not known about. Also, in regards to Rust Legacy being a "PoS", many of us Legacy players hate seeing the game die so quickly, because we are absolutely enamored with it. The game draws a profound sense of nostalgia as well, especially for me. Those memories of when you and your pals, or even simply by yourself, spent hours gathering resources, building multi-story fortresses, and engaging in intense battles with other dominant groups of the server. The game is also much more fluid and simplistic, which many, many players prefer. However, now servers are constantly flooded by DDoS attacks or riddled with hackers. Legacy is already dead, and a handful of people including me are trying to revive it. There are numerous options to help develop legacy as well which require very little of the developers involvement, meaning that they could keep working on the New Rust. Even if the developers just open-sourced it and continued working strictly on new rust, I would be ecstatic. Whatever it takes, just please don't shoot me down immediately. I'm trying to help the legacy community, not be an annoyance. [editline]26th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Redeamed;47403414]What exactly is it about legacy that Rust currently lacks that is so much better?[/QUOTE] For me and a countless amount of other players, legacy is a more fun game on account of its PvP aspect and the simplicity of it. I'm not saying that I would not be willing to change and play the new rust and wait for the minor things like fighting mechanics to catch up. I'm simply saying that, like many others, I would prefer to play the old game. If the developers do not care about my opinion or thousands of others' opinions who favor legacy because they think the legacy code base is too basic, so be it. But at least open source the code so others can work on it, or make one simple update tweaking the old glitches.

Yeah, I don't think garry's going to open-source his first draft of Rust so it can compete with the second draft. It doesn't benefit the devs one bit to go through the trouble of prepping the files for open sourcing -- if this even can be done and still provide a version of legacy that will compile (there are bound to be components that don't belong to FP and therefore aren't theirs to release as open-source - so you'd be on the hook for digging up the rest of that yourself). All meaningful development stopped on legacy over a year ago. Nothing in legacy can be fixed by "one simple update". The [B]entire reason[/B] legacy was left for dead in a ditch on the side of the road last [B]February[/B] is because the codebase was such a mess under the hood [B]no change at all[/B] was simple. garry was unsatisfied with how slow progress was because it was such a mess, and changing one thing would break the code in four other places. One of the coders responsible for legacy is no longer employed at the studio, and the new Rust was a new start at the code to get away from legacy's badly-structured crap. And before anyone asks why legacy's so shit under the hood, it's simple: garry didn't expect Rust to become so popular the way it has, and legacy was originally set up more as a rough prototype and proof of concept for different ideas than it was a software package intended for public consumption. As a result, less care was given to making sure that everything ran smoothly and scaled well to hundreds of players, and instead the focus was just on bashing together a feature to see how it worked. garry has also implied in the past that legacy's shitty code was the fault of the ex-employee (who was let go for basically this reason), and experimental was crafted without this person touching the project files. However, garry was shortsighted, and letting legacy be as sloppy as it was bit him in the ass when Reddit found out about Rust, people looked at screenshots and assumed Rust was DayZ+Minecraft and was also much further along in a beta state than it was, and the hype train took the game viral and blew its popularity through the roof, far beyond what it actually deserved. As the game was still in closed alpha at this point and garry was not handing out keys publicly, but was making them available to Gold Members, this led to a tightly-constrained supply of keys (garry only added more keys when he had server capacity to handle more players) and an incredibly high demand, and the forum was flooded with new accounts. I'm convinced that this is why Rust was put on Steam when it was, and not, say, a year later, purely out of player demand and not because that was garry's plan from the start. Basically, legacy's popularity was a fluke of misunderstanding hitting a playerbase hungry for more zombie survival games (the decision to remove zombies had already been made, but the devs were slow to replace them with another AI threat--and remember that legacy was a pain to update). It was a mere 10% of what the devs want for Rust. I understand that there are fans of legacy, but legacy is dead and eventually you'll need to leave it behind and move on. The devs have no reason to spend a single minute giving it meaningful updates, because that's a minute of development time wasted on something other than the version that's actually going to be finished. It'd be cool if garry released the project files for the community to take over, sure, but I really don't see that happening.

[QUOTE=Redeamed;47403414]What exactly is it about legacy that Rust currently lacks that is so much better?[/QUOTE] You don't really want to ask this question, do you? For examples: better progression system, better PvP combat, much, much, much better maps (not prettier, but better for gameplay), better overall raiding/progression system, ... I love how in legacy the movement is quick - run speed is faster - and you can easily move over the rocky parts - the game lets you quickly move over rocky hills even if they are not flat. Plus, Legacy runs SO much better in terms of performance, especially if you have a low through average gaming system. At this point many Rust players can [B]only[/B] play Legacy - performance is too bad on the new Rust while legacy runs well for them. Not to mention Linux and Mac users have some issues that just not there in Legacy. New Rust will get better, I am sure, but right now performance is much, much worse - so some of us want to play Legacy for now. I think new Rust will be a better game, and is better already in some ways. But honestly there are so many things that work better in Rust legacy right now. It might be that both have things that are better - so you could say 50% of things are better in Experimental, and 50% of things are better in Legacy. But to say everything is better in the new Rust is not true for a lot of us. The map, combat, and performance are major areas where Legacy is better at this point. I don't agree with the OP about developing legacy - but I hope they keep it alive, and maybe at some far distant time they might fix a few things. It is still a great game. And I have no complaints: I think FP is doing an amazing job and love how experimental is getting better and better. But I am playing Legacy right now until performance gets better.

The actual Rust can't compare with Legacy in term of gameplay for people who like the pvp action. Actual Rust is only better for "builder" type people that like more the PVE aspect of the game. In my opinion Legacy was a more complete and finish game than the actual RUST is right now, if it was not from the infestation of hacker I will still play on Legacy and honestly, for me the game was ok like it was, I like it like that and I will buy it like that if it was sold as a finish product. I don't really care about how beautiful is the three, rock, etc. What really get me hook on Rust is the PVP part of it, fight is far more better, the rush of adrenaline when putting a good fight is something I never feel in another PVP game, even looting your victim was so much stress full... I really miss this part in the new Rust... but sometime they will put the pvp gameplay fun back in... I wish ...

The only reason I like legacy atm is because the mountains in legacy were far more "mysterious" because of those stones. It could take 10 minutes to find your base back in the mountain. You really had to use the landscape of the mountain to find your base again. In the new rust you can easily find your base again, because you can't put your house close to the rocks, and besides there aren't even big rocks in mountains now

What a lot of people seem to either not realize or forget is that at this point in time, the new Rust is basically an empty container. They're laying down the framework for what will become a game. There is no game in Rust currently. Sure, you can build, get loot, BPs, PVP, raid, etc. But there no game to be found in Rust atm. I hate to beat this dead horse once more, but Rust is in ALPHA. This is just the phase where they're laying down the foundation for the game that Rust WILL become. Give it time and it will surpass Legacy in its features and gameplay.

If I just bought Rust and played both versions I would choose the current version. I'm not sure why people say PVP is better in Legacy. I'm constantly fighting off other people, making allies & enemies, going after people, getting into awesome bow and arrow battles, blasting people with shotguns, sniping people from my mountain base, blowing shit up with C4, etc.

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47406569]If I just bought Rust and played both versions I would choose the current version. I'm not sure why people say PVP is better in Legacy. I'm constantly fighting off other people, making allies & enemies, going after people, getting into awesome bow and arrow battles, blasting people with shotguns, sniping people from my mountain base, blowing shit up with C4, etc.[/QUOTE] It is too bad that you are so outspoken for the game but don't have the ability or experience to compare PvP in both versions. It is not about the ability to kill or have a gun. It is the movement, responsiveness, lack of lag, and general gameplay when fighting another player, that is different in both versions. Rust 2.0 might get there at some point (hopefully it will), but combat is not as good currently as it is in Legacy.

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47406569]If I just bought Rust and played both versions I would choose the current version. I'm not sure why people say PVP is better in Legacy. I'm constantly fighting off other people, making allies & enemies, going after people, getting into awesome bow and arrow battles, blasting people with shotguns, sniping people from my mountain base, blowing shit up with C4, etc.[/QUOTE] Like many other people, I just find the PVP and combat mechanics to be much more fluid and enjoyable. For example, there's little to no sway with the most of the guns in legacy, unless you are using a bolt action. The recoil control also seems easier to get the hang of. And like cinderstar said above^, running in the game is much smoother. Many people also aren't able to play new rust due to its poor performance. Not everyone has amazing computers.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47406848]but don't have the ability or experience to compare PvP in both versions.[/QUOTE] Why do you think that? Regardless, I have no problems playing the game on a 3-4 year old rig. The actual combat with other players has improved greatly in the current version, and I find it just as satisfying as Legacy. I agree the game is still a little buggy on occasion, but I rarely die from some glitchy combat mechanics - if at all. Combat was good in Legacy, but I actually find it much more satisfying and balanced in the current version. Some of the weapons still need tweaking, and scopes will be a welcome addition, but I sure don't miss the ridiculous headshot kills from the P-250. Ultimately though, I don't really care if you like the game or not. I just love debating on here and having gamer pissing contests :words:

One of my clan mates plays Rust on my old 7 year old i7 920 CPU rig I gave him last year when I upgraded. He has a mid-range (ie - cheap) NVidia card in there he bought for it when I gave it to him. He runs it just fine. You don't need a top end machine to run the new Rust.

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47406950]Why do you think that?[/QUOTE] Because your last reply completely missed any of the reasons people are saying it is better. Reread what you wrote. No one cares if you, or I, prefer one version over the other. There are many concrete differences in the gameplay/combat in both versions. That is the reason many people have posted combat is better in legacy. The devs would also probably agree, and are working to improve combat in new Rust. There is no need to dismiss other people's legitimate concerns and requests for improvement.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47407082]Because your last reply completely missed any of the reasons people are saying it is better. Reread what you wrote. No one cares if you, or I, prefer one version over the other. There are many concrete differences in the gameplay/combat in both versions. That is the reason many people have posted combat is better in legacy. The devs would also probably agree, and are working to improve combat in new Rust. There is no need to dismiss other people's legitimate concerns and requests for improvement.[/QUOTE] I didn't miss anyone's reasons. I just think they're shit.

I enjoy the gunplay more on legacy. It feels laggy and seems to reward spray and pray in new rust. I think that is the sum total of things I liked better in legacy, not including things that are likely to be added that were in legacy like spiked walls and gates.

The new Rust is still really tedious, I can't stay interested more than 10-15 minutes. I play legacy for hours every day.

I hate to be "that' guy, but signing a petition doesn't do anything. It shows that there's interest, but isn't some kind of legal document that forces people to do what you want. The whole world could sign it, and whoever it's directed to can still give you the middle finger lol.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;47407502]I enjoy the gunplay more on legacy. It feels laggy and seems to reward spray and pray in new rust. I think that is the sum total of things I liked better in legacy, not including things that are likely to be added that were in legacy like spiked walls and gates.[/QUOTE] I've actually found the spray and pray very unsuccessful. I did it a few times with the Thompson and got killed by guys with spears, lol. Then I tried just crouching, aiming, and squeezing off a few controlled shots and have been able to drop just about anyone within range. I always take a hit when they're charging, but I don't take my guns out unless I have bandages, food, and clothing/armor. I know some people have been experiencing lag when you fire, but I haven't had it happen yet. Some of the lag issues seem to be based on particular system configurations (video cards, drivers, etc). I would like to see some spikes though.

[url]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/581049059936497664[/url] This pretty much sums it up for me... [QUOTE=@Johnnylolk]Me and my friends have been addicted to Rust, (now legacy) since day one... please carry on with it at some point![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=@garrynewman]What don't you like about the reboot?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=@Johnnylolk]I enjoy the reboot! I personally prefer the original rust for the nostalgic feel of the game and the memories it brings back![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=@garrynewman]Wouldn't you lose the memories and nostalgic feeling if we updated it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=@Johnnylolk]I guess so, I feel that legacy has had such an impact on the survival genre that it should definitely be updated![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=@garrynewman]We did update it, it's the default version now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47407770]I've actually found the spray and pray very unsuccessful. I did it a few times with the Thompson and got killed by guys with spears, lol. Then I tried just crouching, aiming, and squeezing off a few controlled shots and have been able to drop just about anyone within range. I always take a hit when they're charging, but I don't take my guns out unless I have bandages, food, and clothing/armor. I know some people have been experiencing lag when you fire, but I haven't had it happen yet. Some of the lag issues seem to be based on particular system configurations (video cards, drivers, etc). I would like to see some spikes though.[/QUOTE] I'm almost positive that what frustrates legacy players so much is the projectile bullets in new rust. They're the counter-strike players that can't adapt to new physics. But they don't want to admit that so they try to claim new rust just favors spray and pray, because reasons.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;47408750]I'm almost positive that what frustrates legacy players so much is the projectile bullets in new rust. They're the counter-strike players that can't adapt to new physics. But they don't want to admit that so they try to claim new rust just favors spray and pray, because reasons.[/QUOTE] I don't want to rush to judgement and say they're the CS players, but I'm pretty sure you're right. I love the physics in the game right now. The bow is still one of my favorite weapons. I used to play the game Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory (a free download!) all the time. I loved the physics with the rifle grenade, and used to launch that thing through windows 100 yards away.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;47408750]I'm almost positive that what frustrates legacy players so much is the projectile bullets in new rust. [/QUOTE] You would be wrong. You can't even see the combat issues Garry acknowledged and has been trying to improve. But keep telling each other everything is grrreat! and everyone who doesn't think so is a whiner or has something wrong with them.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47409341]You would be wrong. You can't even see the combat issues Garry acknowledged and has been trying to improve. But keep telling each other everything is grrreat! and everyone who doesn't think so is a whiner or has something wrong with them.[/QUOTE] I don't think there's anything wrong with people that like Legacy better than Rust. I just think they/you aren't open minded or flexible enough to move on and accept what Rust has become. I don't mean that in a bad way. I loved Legacy, and now I love Rust. I have no desire to play Legacy because the current version gives me everything I loved about the original and more.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47409341]You would be wrong. You can't even see the combat issues Garry acknowledged and has been trying to improve. But keep telling each other everything is grrreat! and everyone who doesn't think so is a whiner or has something wrong with them.[/QUOTE] Any proof on these totally invisible yet obvious combat issues Garry acknowledged? Obviously there are still issues but aside from performance issues there really isn't a good reason to play legacy over main unless you have a problem with the projectile bullets. And on a side note I'm almost positive that "failure to adapt" does not equal "whiner with something wrong with them."

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;47409441]Any proof on these totally invisible yet obvious combat issues Garry acknowledged? Obviously there are still issues but aside from performance issues there really isn't a good reason to play legacy over main unless you have a problem with the projectile bullets. And on a side note I'm almost positive that "failure to adapt" does not equal "whiner with something wrong with them."[/QUOTE] Uhh, well, I've to agree with cinderstar though. I also like the pvp in Legacy more. It has nothing to do with your "failure to adapt". It's just a matter of taste I guess. Besides that, I think the new Rust is still missing some stuff that were better in Legacy. But I believe these things will be added later to the game. No worries for me yet. :)