Please Garry, we implore you, lower the crafting times on GP. You're game has become a time sync to create gunpowder to make bullets and C4 therefore completely crushing our game experience. People want to raid, not stand around queing up gunpowder for hours just to make 2 C4. Maybe add a rare ingredient to C4 or explosives so that it's not as readily made so as to not flood the servers with C4.
Add a workbench, increase gp craft cost but add more yield IE make it so you don't have to do 250 X 10 seconds per to make enough gp for 1 c4.
Make it cost a lot more, but yield more in fewer crafts, such as , 50 crafts per c4 instead of 250, but it costs more per craft.
Just lower gunpowder to 5 seconds like low grade fuel is currently. It really shouldn't be any more complicated, it's just gunpowder.
dude if u dont want to waste ur time crafting items just go play some hosts with instacraft and x2-x10 gather
it is one or the other if you speed up gun powder then that time should be added to c4 time to make
so take your pick quick gun powder or long long crafting of c4. Just my 2 scents
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Pls Balance GP i hate this much !!!
"Please Gary, make it quicker to craft C4!"
It's basically what you're saying.
It's plenty quick enough. I knocked out 4 C4 in an evening, on my own. With two people that would have been 8... Three, and we'd have 12.... Four and we'd have 16......
That's rather quick IMO.
I'm sorry but high tier items like C4 should take a while to make and more investment. Personally I'd go as far as to say there aren't enough materials needed to make C4, I don't think the balance in what's required to take versus what you can get from its usage is quite there.
Maybe a powder mill placeable item?
[QUOTE=punchfodder;47480048]Maybe a powder mill placeable item?[/QUOTE]
THIS. I like the fact it's slow because it means people aren't able to raid you real-time with your own stuff like it used to be in legacy. That said, 45 min to make 1 c4 is just way too much. IMHO it should be 10x faster or so.
Just today, I queued up 800 orders of gp and went for dinner leaving the game running so I could craft the stuff and use it tonight. Came back and i'm dead, not too sure how or why, prolly hunger, but I lost everything. Took me days to gather that stuff.
Either reduce by 10 the time it takes to craft GP or make it an offline tool.. This way I can start a batch and go do something else while it's in progress and not risk loosing a ton of stuff while in the wild.
[QUOTE='Deicide[RS];47480218']Just today, I queued up 800 orders of gp and went for dinner leaving the game running so I could craft the stuff and use it tonight. Came back and i'm dead, not too sure how or why, prolly hunger, but I lost everything. Took me days to gather that stuff.[/QUOTE]
Play better. Seriously, you can't organize your in-game time enough, so you have to leave yourself logged in while you go to dinner, then complain that your character died?
C4 is plenty fast enough, you can knock out x4 in one evening as [B]RedJenny[/B] said. [B]You aren't supposed to be able to craft C4 faster than anyone around you can build[/B], otherwise there would be no buildings left to explode!
I play on a server with crews of 7-8 people, who all have stockpiles of more than 50x C4 within a few days, because it's so easy to build, especially with multiple players crafting.
Seriously, play better. When you return to your base to drop of resources and reload furnaces, queue up 50x gunpowder, then drop it off before you leave the base again. When the night falls, spend 15 mins crafting gunpowder before you head back out at dawn again. Plan ahead. Don't complain because you can't manage your in-game time properly.
I'm sorry but if you want to craft c4 in 4.5 minutes and want to eliminate the risk of losing everything .... you maybe should consider to stop playing survival games where it's a core mechanism to be able to lose everything if you die ...
4.5 minutes .. thats a joke .. guys who are able to create 4 c4 in one evening would be able to create 40 !!!!!!! in the same time .. think about the flood of c4 that'd await us in that case.. the balance between raiders and defenders would be destroyed.
[QUOTE=deputydawg;47378554]I'm sorry but high tier items like C4 should take a while to make and more investment. Personally I'd go as far as to say there aren't enough materials needed to make C4, I don't think the balance in what's required to take versus what you can get from its usage is quite there.[/QUOTE]
you cant balance an item on what you CAN get, the CAN is a big variable and can amount to next to nothing if you happen to choose the wrong target.
The time taken is ludicrous to be honest and does need to be addressed
just to add..
That means for 1 Timed Explosive it is 2,750 clicks of your mouse. I am not sure how much that equates to in time and I am sure each person is different. But just think about that for a moment.
If you wanted to take on one single armored panel, you will need to have clicked your mouse over 20,000 times just making the powder alone.
Granted we are talking about doing this solo. If a group is dedicated enough, of course it would be much faster.
I, on the other hand craft ALL my C4 and it takes forever...but it should
If it's only the clicks of your mouse you're worried about, then there could be simply a shift+leftclick Option that opens a menu which lets you enter the amount of stacks you wanne Queue.
[QUOTE=lordrushx1;47480988]That means for 1 Timed Explosive it is 2,750 clicks of your mouse.[/QUOTE]
Where do you get 2,750 clicks from? I work it out to be about a 10th of that...
1 Timed Explosive - [B]1 click[/B]
25 Explosive charges - [B]25 clicks[/B]
1250 gunpowder (50 x 25 charges) - [B]250 clicks[/B]
Total: 276 clicks.
Gp is fine.
Just learn to craft it all the times you're in your house, without rushing.
then, if you really want to rush the crafting of C4, it's just around 45 minutes per C4, so if you have buddies, this time become smaller and smaller and smaller until you find yourself with 30 C4.
All i'm saying is make gathering the mats the time sink and risk like legacy instead of having me stand in base turning my thumbs 20 hours a week waiting for c4 to be done
[QUOTE=neil.hillman;47481404]Where do you get 2,750 clicks from? I work it out to be about a 10th of that...
1 Timed Explosive - [B]1 click[/B]
25 Explosive charges - [B]25 clicks[/B]
1250 gunpowder (50 x 25 charges) - [B]250 clicks[/B]
Total: 276 clicks.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see what you did there and I almost had to go redo my math.
You did not calculate the Sulfur/Charcoal clicks to make the gunpowder (which btw is a reminder of the OP) thus making it the number I had.
As well, your calculations are based on 1 single C4. IF, you are able to gather enough for one panel (generally 8-10 C4) that is still over 2000 clicks to take one panel down (and I am using this based on the crafting method you posted which did not include sulfur/charcoal clicks)
I'm a huge proponent of adding a bench like the furnace to craft gp. Something along the lines of a 'gun powder mill' that grinds down charcoal/sulfur and wood to make gun powder.
I'm against the idea of making it quicker to obtain c4 and ammo. I think a crafting bench would make it so more players would be out in the world instead of bunkered down in their base , or afking while stuff crafts.
Due to the convenience I would even suggest increasing the times when using the gp mill vs hand crafting materials. The bench would also need repairs as time goes on. And maybe two ways to power it. The wheel need to spin so either man power (hire some one) or battery power.
[QUOTE=lordrushx1;47486473]Ah, I see what you did there and I almost had to go redo my math.
You did not calculate the Sulfur/Charcoal clicks to make the gunpowder (which btw is a reminder of the OP) thus making it the number I had.
As well, your calculations are based on 1 single C4. IF, you are able to gather enough for one panel (generally 8-10 C4) that is still over 2000 clicks to take one panel down (and I am using this based on the crafting method you posted which did not include sulfur/charcoal clicks)[/QUOTE]
How high are you. the 250 clicks he included for gunpower is exactly to calculate the click to craft gunpowder enough for 1 charge. To make a C4 you need 1250 gunpowder, which require 250 clicks. then its 25 clicks for explosives, and 1 click for the timed charge. 276 total. if you want to blow a armored wall, it takes 3 timed charges, so 276*3 = 828 clicks.
[QUOTE=lordrushx1;47480988]
That means for [B]1 Timed Explosive[/B] it is 2,750 clicks of your mouse. (...snip)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lordrushx1;47486473]Ah, I see what you did there ... your calculations are based on 1 single C4. IF, you are able to gather enough for one panel (generally 8-10 C4) that is still over 2000 clicks (...snip)[/QUOTE]
Yes, 1 single C4, exactly like you stated in your first post.
[QUOTE=louisclub;47487435]How high are you.[/QUOTE]
Thanks [B]louisclub[/B], I'm glad it's not only me...
[QUOTE=lordrushx1;47486473]Ah, I see what you did there and I almost had to go redo my math.
You did not calculate the Sulfur/Charcoal clicks to make the gunpowder (which btw is a reminder of the OP) thus making it the number I had.
As well, your calculations are based on 1 single C4. IF, you are able to gather enough for one panel (generally 8-10 C4) that is still over 2000 clicks to take one panel down (and I am using this based on the crafting method you posted which did not include sulfur/charcoal clicks)[/QUOTE]
Are the sulfur/charcoal clicks you're referring to not accounted for in the gunpowder clicks?
C4 is balanced enough... it is good it takes time, it should be a precious item to craft. It is by far the most destructive item in the game... next to me of course.
I make my GP while I go for a run or watch a movie... plan your game play a bit better and you will see how easy it is to achieve what you want... oh and patience is a good thing to hone, it will keep you from being that annoying person behind me in line at StarFucks who keeps looking at his watch and sighing heavily. :rolleyes:
Timed Explosive Charges should also require a battery and codelock as crafting material.
[QUOTE=louisclub;47487435]How high are you. the 250 clicks he included for gunpower is exactly to calculate the click to craft gunpowder enough for 1 charge.[/QUOTE]
But... but.. what about clicking the rocks to gather the sulfur? And the clicks to drag the sulfur ore into the furnace? And the clicks to put wood into the furnace?
Let's also not forget clicking the server you want to join, and clicking the Rust icon to launch the game!
It's millions, I tell you! Millions of clicks to make C4!
[QUOTE=TreborS;47489299]But... but.. what about clicking the rocks to gather the sulfur? And the clicks to drag the sulfur ore into the furnace? And the clicks to put wood into the furnace?
Let's also not forget clicking the server you want to join, and clicking the Rust icon to launch the game!
It's millions, I tell you! Millions of clicks to make C4![/QUOTE]
This game is just a series of clicks and button presses. Ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Ferro;47489351]This game is just a series of clicks and button presses. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that's almost any game on a computer... :tinfoil:
Still maintain that in a survival situation military grade weapons, including timed explosive c4 charges, would be next to impossible to craft without a lot of time. In this regard the game's mechanic kind of makes sense.
I don't like the idea of scoring a huge payoff in terms of a loot run or farming run then having to afk in my base for 45 minutes crafting. To tell me to "play better" at that point is just ignoring the elephant in the room. I should be actively playing the game while I am playing the game, not tabbing out to watch youtube while I craft my gunpowder. That's bad game design.
Either there needs to be more components to the charges, with one of those components being relatively hard to find, or the top tier explosive charges shouldn't be craftable, we can only get them in airdrops or in rad towns, and we would have to raid with less effective tools like grenades or some lower tier explosive less effective than c4, but more effective than nades.
[QUOTE=lenyzeny;47489492]Pretty sure that's almost any game on a computer... :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, check out the context ;)
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