[Suggestion] Armored Safe Storage Box - Rust

It would be nice to be able to have a storage box that takes 2-3 c4 to break open, this would obviously be able to be codelocked and would have limited spaces, maybe around 8-10 spaces of storage. [img]http://c4depot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Safe.jpg[/img]

Make it very expensive to craft tho

[QUOTE=jackthebull;47613159]Make it very expensive to craft tho[/QUOTE] I'd say a BP would be required and then it could cost around 1500 to 2000 metal.

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47613216]I'd say a BP would be required and then it could cost around 1500 to 2000 metal.[/QUOTE] 1500-2000 metal seems a little too expensive esp considering most people grief when they raid.... so just because u put down a safe, doesn't mean u can get back to it.

I'd be fine with 500 metal and 250 wood.

[QUOTE=Greyfoxzb;47615221]I'd be fine with 500 metal and 250 wood.[/QUOTE] That's cheap. 1500 metal is only a couple stacks of ore. If you want something that takes 2-3 C4 then it should cost close to what an armored room costs. Anything under 1000 metal would be unbalanced.

no problems with an armoured storage box provided it can be broken like everything else, and is not some fancy hidden hole in the ground;) i'd probably say 1-1.5k metal for it when you consider it would probably have a built in codelock.

I like the idea! And I agree with frank and mrknifey about at least 1k-1.5k metal costs.

i would fill them up with explosives so that if they blew the door open it would effect the contents inside and set off a wonderful chain reaction of explosions destroying everything and the raiders too.

Sure, make safes, why would I even build reinforced walls then? I'd rather place my safes in bushes to keep them hidden and just roam around. I'll make them at a safe distance so nobody would destroy them. Have you considered that you need to upgrade a full room just to make it secure, which means 4 walls, 1floor+1foundation/2floors to make it the same equivalent to the safe ? Meaning you will expand 6x reinforced materials to make one room, but instead you would make a metal safe, half the cost or maybe why not 500 metal fragments ? Purrfect. A reason to spam them across the map. 2-3 c4? Have you ever thought that you would rather destroy the floor or the foundation than to destroy the safe? I do understand you need protection, but come on. This is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Denrrim;47616205]Sure, make safes, why would I even build reinforced walls then? I'd rather place my safes in bushes to keep them hidden and just roam around. I'll make them at a safe distance so nobody would destroy them. Have you considered that you need to upgrade a full room just to make it secure, which means 4 walls, 1floor+1foundation/2floors to make it the same equivalent to the safe ? Meaning you will expand 6x reinforced materials to make one room, but instead you would make a metal safe, half the cost or maybe why not 500 metal fragments ? Purrfect. A reason to spam them across the map. 2-3 c4? Have you ever thought that you would rather destroy the floor or the foundation than to destroy the safe? I do understand you need protection, but come on. This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] You are right, buth something strong as scheet metal door is minimal requirement.... 1 c4 or a pack of pick axe... ;)

[QUOTE=Denrrim;47616205]Sure, make safes, why would I even build reinforced walls then? I'd rather place my safes in bushes to keep them hidden and just roam around. I'll make them at a safe distance so nobody would destroy them. Have you considered that you need to upgrade a full room just to make it secure, which means 4 walls, 1floor+1foundation/2floors to make it the same equivalent to the safe ? Meaning you will expand 6x reinforced materials to make one room, but instead you would make a metal safe, half the cost or maybe why not 500 metal fragments ? Purrfect. A reason to spam them across the map. 2-3 c4? Have you ever thought that you would rather destroy the floor or the foundation than to destroy the safe? I do understand you need protection, but come on. This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Have you ever thought about that you are able to place 6!!! big boxes in a 1on1 room ? we are talking about an 8-12 place metalbox... it's hardly comparable... (In case you don't know: you are able to place 6 big boxes in a 1on1 room by using a floor piece on half high) I agree that 3 c4 is too much, but 2 c4 or 3 rockets should be needed to open it ... Your argument that you will just place them all over them map is just a joke .. if raiders make the effort to raid a base where they need 30 pickaxes, 15 c4 and 1 hour raidtime, what will keep them from using the same anount of items and time to look for random saves and crack them open ... --> argument invalid! And what about destroying floors or foundations while using c4 on safes? wtf do you think happens if you use c4 on a armoured 1on1 inside of a stone base???? I come to believe that you are just another raider who wants loot for free...

[QUOTE=ssk-oru;47616272]Have you ever thought about that you are able to place 6!!! big boxes in a 1on1 room ? we are talking about an 8-12 place metalbox... it's hardly comparable...[/QUOTE] Here's the problem. This is just the typical attitude where you don't want to loose your stuff and neither you are comprehending that raiding is part of the game. If people would understand that, that would be great, but they won't ever. Ok, so here's the thing. You don't need to protect absolutely everything. Again I'm saying that you can craft more those with a lower cost than to reinforce your building. Also, think about it. You're going to have 'That loot room' and after that there are going to be safes. It's going to end up as an abuse just as everything else. Try to refrain from exaggerating because you cannot place 6 large wood boxes unless you'll make them go through the wall => no point in destroying the room if I can access them from outside.

[QUOTE=Denrrim;47616291]Try to refrain from exaggerating because you cannot place 6 large wood boxes unless you'll make them go through the wall => no point in destroying the room if I can access them from outside.[/QUOTE] jeah you can place 6 of them without touching a damn wall ... done it plenty of times so please tests it first ..

[QUOTE=ssk-oru;47616296]jeah you can place 6 of them without touching a damn wall ... done it plenty of times so please tests it first ..[/QUOTE] I could never put 6. Please screenshot.

[QUOTE=ssk-oru;47616296]jeah you can place 6 of them without touching a damn wall ... done it plenty of times so please tests it first ..[/QUOTE] Pics or it didn't happen. In a 1x1 room, sealed with walls + a door. -> Large Wood Boxes, without having an intermediate floor. That means already an extra defense and I talked about 6 pieces of reinforced.

I try to find time tonight to take a screenshot (even if there where several of these uploaded before)

[QUOTE=ssk-oru;47616322]I try to find time tonight to take a screenshot (even if there where several of these uploaded before)[/QUOTE] Look, I was being sarcastic. This wasn't the point. You don't need to secure everything, you will secure the esentials. It's enough that for a room you need to break the safes with c4. You need to expand way too many materials.

As you stated earlier, you believe that defenders want a cheap way to secure the base and that you want them to acknowledge that raiding is part of the game ... but on the other hand you as (I'm pretty sure you are) raider want a cheap way to raid and wont acknowledge at all that defending is part of the game too ...so I just wanted to point out, there needs to be a balance and right now the raiders seem to have the advantage so it wouldn't hurt to give defenders a little help, right?

[QUOTE=ssk-oru;47616351]As you stated earlier, you believe that defenders want a cheap way to secure the base and that you want them to acknowledge that raiding is part of the game ... but on the other hand you as (I'm pretty sure you are) raider want a cheap way to raid and wont acknowledge at all that defending is part of the game too ...so I just wanted to point out, there needs to be a balance and right now the raiders seem to have the advantage so it wouldn't hurt to give defenders a little help, right?[/QUOTE] Raiders have advantage. Yes if there are like 4 5 people. Off course is not balance when you are 1 defender. Defenders : Base on rocks, reinforced walls, twig stairs, tool cupboards, code locks on crates (you can get only half of the stuff), height advantage, you can destroy siege tower with one arrow. Raiders: Ability to make c4(after farming barrels, and 45 minutes craft time for one), rocket launcher, ability to make siege towers(now because its a bug with the stability), siege towers that its on my expense(wood) just to get on rocks or on your house. AND the risk to lose c4,guns because of a trap inside a house. Where is raiders advantage?

Where's the balance? Where's the balance in removing your stairs ? Where's the balance in forcing people to raid only at night, because you cannot build a siege tower without tons of resources, unless you are on a modded server. Where's the balance when you literally have tool cupboards all over the place just to protect a Thompson? Where's the balance where you build on rocks so it's way harder to raid? Where's the balance where you need to stay afk for 45 minutes to craft a c4? Sorry mate, but I see no balance. All I want is for less features that can be abused. This clearly looks like a feature that can be abused. And people will do so to protect their loot. There isn't any balance at the moment. And I'm not talking just as a raider, I'm talking as a builder. This will server to small bases. Sure, that's going to help a lot. But I already don't feel like it should be here because I'm smelling another blueprint. Another couple of wasted hours just to get it. I'm looking at it overall. Most of the people will abuse this to a certain point. This is what you're not taking in account. It's because either you're greedy or you are too afraid to loose your things that you probably won't use anyway. Defending is part of the game since I have to deal with it every time, but that doesn't mean it should be harder for raiders as it already is.

I wont go on about this "rock bases" here and "water bases" there discussion AGAIN.. because enough people have already talked this issue dead in many many other threats.. so all I gonna say is: I like the idea of the Threat Owner and if you don't ... then don't ... I don't care

[QUOTE=Denrrim;47616291]Here's the problem. This is just the typical attitude where you don't want to loose your stuff and neither you are comprehending that raiding is part of the game. If people would understand that, that would be great, but they won't ever. Ok, so here's the thing. You don't need to protect absolutely everything. Again I'm saying that you can craft more those with a lower cost than to reinforce your building. Also, think about it. You're going to have 'That loot room' and after that there are going to be safes. It's going to end up as an abuse just as everything else. Try to refrain from exaggerating because you cannot place 6 large wood boxes unless you'll make them go through the wall => no point in destroying the room if I can access them from outside.[/QUOTE] You can place 6, ive seen pics of it, basically you place you foundation and another next to it then you place a block on that foundation, place a floor coming off the block, then you build up you walls and eventually remove the block. once the floor is placed you can place three boxes under the floor and 3 on top all on one foundation

People are just going to break the foundation. On another note,we still need locksmithing in rust.

[QUOTE=Denrrim;47616205]Sure, make safes, why would I even build reinforced walls then? I'd rather place my safes in bushes to keep them hidden and just roam around. I'll make them at a safe distance so nobody would destroy them. Have you considered that you need to upgrade a full room just to make it secure, which means 4 walls, 1floor+1foundation/2floors to make it the same equivalent to the safe ? Meaning you will expand 6x reinforced materials to make one room, but instead you would make a metal safe, half the cost or maybe why not 500 metal fragments ? Purrfect. A reason to spam them across the map. 2-3 c4? Have you ever thought that you would rather destroy the floor or the foundation than to destroy the safe? I do understand you need protection, but come on. This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] it's not about making the box the same as the armored room. it's about options. i could invest my metal into a hidden safe in the woods, or in my stone house. i could invest my metal into making a fully armored room in the middle of my base to store wooden boxes of goodies. i could have an armored room with 2 metal safes inside that takes a decent amount of c4 to break. it's the same as having different tools for gathering. there are benefits and downsides to each, but their similarity is not a reason to dismiss them. as for breaking foundations, i'd like to see things like chests/cupboards/safes fall down rather than just break/float. take damage based on the fall, but potentially just end up on the ground.

I imagined it being an Armored safe,and take the same amount of C4 and any Armored Block.

Looking at the picture I want it on wheels. I want to push other people's safes around the map.

I also agree armored safes would be a great feature. some thoughts on this: 1. 1K to 2K metal fragments sounds fair 2. 10-12 slots (double a wood box) would be good 3. Contents get destroyed if you C4 it - should be 1000/1000 or 1500/1500 like armored 4. can only be placed on a foundation - that keeps folks from dropping them all over like near rad towns without investing in a building - not on twigs!! 5. combo lock not a key lock - maybe both? my gun safe at home requires a master key and 5 digit combo. basically you lock it with a key to keep the tumbler secure.

[QUOTE=txiah;47619768]I also agree armored safes would be a great feature. some thoughts on this: 1. 1K to 2K metal fragments sounds fair 2. 10-12 slots (double a wood box) would be good 3. Contents get destroyed if you C4 it - should be 1000/1000 or 1500/1500 like armored 4. can only be placed on a foundation - that keeps folks from dropping them all over like near rad towns without investing in a building - not on twigs!! 5. combo lock not a key lock - maybe both? my gun safe at home requires a master key and 5 digit combo. basically you lock it with a key to keep the tumbler secure.[/QUOTE] you need to be able to break them with 3 c4 to get what is inside. it should spill on the ground just like breaking a storage box. it's cost should not be so great that it outways what you can put inside of it, if it costs the same as upgrading a wall to armored it would be fair ( 500 metal 300 stone 200 wood ) and it takes the exact amount of c4 needed to get through an armored wall, you either put your c4 on a wall or on a safe its balanced. no need to get crazy with the costs.

[QUOTE=Greyfoxzb;47620188]you need to be able to break them with 3 c4 to get what is inside. it should spill on the ground just like breaking a storage box. it's cost should not be so great that it outways what you can put inside of it, if it costs the same as upgrading a wall to armored it would be fair ( 500 metal 300 stone 200 wood ) and it takes the exact amount of c4 needed to get through an armored wall, you either put your c4 on a wall or on a safe its balanced. no need to get crazy with the costs.[/QUOTE] so maybe you can upgrade a storage box with a lock on it to an armored safe like you do walls.