I'm a guy and my avatar is now a woman...we should at the VERY least be able to change our gender.
Oh boy, here we go again...
BTW, only server admins are women right now. :v:
But, no, you won't have any choice in the matter and you never did. Unless you want to mod your server, as I'm sure there will be plugins for this soon enough.
what does it matter? you'll be covered head to toe in gear, no one will be able to tell what gender you are.
The woman's chest looks like it was duct taped flat since birth, when shes wearing men's clothes and head gear, you cannot tell its a woman. You should be glad Auntie Flow doesn't visit you once a month.
To all the "What does it matter?" and "You dont have a choice, face it." people: It would take FP literally less than an hour to add a "Male/Female" button. I really dont understand why it is so hard to do that.
[QUOTE=tankton;48227828]To all the "What does it matter?" and "You dont have a choice, face it." people: It would take FP literally less than an hour to add a "Male/Female" button. I really dont understand why it is so hard to do that.[/QUOTE]
It would take even less effort to just accept that what your ingame avatar looks like doesn't matter and get on with your life. It's supposed to be fun to see some unique people in the game, try not to take it too seriously.
[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;48227966]It would take even less effort to just accept that what your ingame avatar looks like doesn't matter and get on with your life. It's supposed to be fun to see some unique people in the game, try not to take it too seriously.[/QUOTE]
If it totally does not matter, why did they even add female models?
[QUOTE=tankton;48227828]To all the "What does it matter?" and "You dont have a choice, face it." people: It would take FP literally less than an hour to add a "Male/Female" button. I really dont understand why it is so hard to do that.[/QUOTE]
Explain [I]why[/I] it has to be added, other than "I want it".
Explain what choosing your character traits actually does to enhance the game that being given a might-as-well-be-random selection of traits doesn't.
I'm a woman too and I dont have a problem with it, however I do have a problem with the woman looking like a 12 year old girl...
[url]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436071903973981330/88C064C1698755815FCB18F1A2A145FA71C60BE3/[/url]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48228131]Explain [I]why[/I] it has to be added, other than "I want it".
Explain what choosing your character traits actually does to enhance the game that being given a might-as-well-be-random selection of traits doesn't.[/QUOTE]
1. Because it takes so little effort. It would be a wasted opportunity not to please a considerate amount of players with that option.
2. Adding an option to play as man or woman adds a bit more immersion than playing as a given character. I personally dislike playing as a female character. I can also imagine some women finally wanting to play a female character, and be given a male character.
3. Having the option to actually make a complete character would also add various options for clans/groups to play. For instance, making a group of black males would be more distinct than a mix of races/genders and make it easier to recognize eachother from distance.
Also, this had nothing to do with racism or sexism. Its just a basic request for a character customisation screen. It adds some role play elements that rust lacks at this moment.
Then wait for a modded server to give you that. The "so little effort" argument is pointless, because it'd take garry 3 minutes to revert everything and put everyone back to being naked bald white clones. If it's worth doing, it doesn't matter how long it takes.
2. "Because I want it"
3. That's what clothing's for. Are you really going to see much of your character's body once you're clothed and covered in armor?
The devblogs specifically explain why there is no character customization screen. If you want that, go play ARK and harvest dinosaur shit. (No, really, that's a legitimate gameplay activity, I'm not even making fun of the game.)
[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48228140]I'm a woman too and I dont have a problem with it, however I do have a problem with the woman looking like a 12 year old girl...
[url]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436071903973981330/88C064C1698755815FCB18F1A2A145FA71C60BE3/[/url][/QUOTE]
this reminds me of Alien, it's Ripley!
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48228343]Then wait for a modded server to give you that. The "so little effort" argument is pointless, because it'd take garry 3 minutes to revert everything and put everyone back to being naked bald white clones. If it's worth doing, it doesn't matter how long it takes.
2. "Because I want it"
3. That's what clothing's for. Are you really going to see much of your character's body once you're clothed and covered in armor?
The devblogs specifically explain why there is no character customization screen. If you want that, go play ARK and harvest dinosaur shit. (No, really, that's a legitimate gameplay activity, I'm not even making fun of the game.)[/QUOTE]
1. [QUOTE] If it's worth doing, it doesn't matter how long it takes.[/QUOTE] I cant say I agree with that. The consideration if something is worth it or not, is for a large factor determined by the time required to implement it.
2. [QUOTE]Because I want it" [/QUOTE] Thats totally not what I said. There have been women asking for female characters for ages. I remember this being a hot topic 1.5 years ago. Now we have female characters finally implemented, and FP decides that women cannot make the choice for female characters. Doesn't that sound retarded?
3. [QUOTE]Are you really going to see much of your character's body once you're clothed and covered in armor?[/QUOTE] Not sure. I assume they will adjust all the clothing so it fits female character models better. In that case, yeah. I would see so much of the body.
The shit farming is just offtopic and unnessesary. I tried Ark, didnt like it ;)
[QUOTE=tankton;48228184]Also, this had nothing to do with racism or sexism. Its just a basic request for a character customisation screen. It adds some role play elements that rust lacks at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Rust isn't about Role Play either. The game is about survival and how to get to the next day. You survive with what you get.
Gender, just like race and dong size, has no effect upon gameplay.
[QUOTE=tankton;48228184]1. Because it takes so little effort. It would be a wasted opportunity not to please a considerate amount of players with that option.[/QUOTE]
Garry has already expressed it isn't a development time thing preventing them from adding character customization. It is a gameplay choice.
They want to make the game about the game, not your character. They want variety, so you can distinguish each player, without making it a huge process.
[QUOTE=tankton;48228184]2. Adding an option to play as man or woman adds a bit more immersion than playing as a given character. I personally dislike playing as a female character. I can also imagine some women finally wanting to play a female character, and be given a male character. [/QUOTE]
Why?
What has changed now that you play a women? Can you still fire a gun? Can you still raid? Can you still play exactly the way you played before you were a women?.
What, specifically, do you now like about being a woman because it doesn't DO anything,
It is a state of mind and it is sickening.
[QUOTE=tankton;48228184]3. Having the option to actually make a complete character would also add various options for clans/groups to play. For instance, making a group of black males would be more distinct than a mix of races/genders and make it easier to recognize eachother from distance.[/QUOTE]
That is [U]exactly[/U] the thing they are trying to prevent though.
[QUOTE=tankton;48228184]Also, this had nothing to do with racism or sexism. Its just a basic request for a character customisation screen. It adds some role play elements that rust lacks at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit.
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Why?
What has changed now that you play a women? Can you still fire a gun? Can you still raid? Can you still play exactly the way you played before you were a women?.
What, specifically, do you now like about being a woman because it doesn't DO anything,
It is a state of mind and it is sickening.
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Yes, I can fire a gun. Yes I can still raid. That's not the issue. I would like the choice for the same reason people like to customise their characters on virtually all other games. You can still play, but might not like the looks of you character. How is this wrong, let alone sickening?
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Bullshit.[/QUOTE]
It's not. It's not racism, I dont hurt anyone with playing a preferred race or appearance. What if I just really wanted to play as a black female? Racism? Riiiight..
If you make a character in an other game, take World of Warcraft for example. Do you just click "random" and start playing? I sure as hell don't do that.
Just deal with it. One of things that makes Rust unique is that you get assigned a race, gender and bone structure. You don't choose. You only choose how you survive. Big deal or not, this option is not coming. If you feel so sad about this, you deserve to get the sex/race you don't want.
I like this feature as it results in a lot of random encounters and funny situations.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48228343]Then wait for a modded server to give you that. The "so little effort" argument is pointless, because it'd take garry 3 minutes to revert everything and put everyone back to being naked bald white clones. If it's worth doing, it doesn't matter how long it takes.
2. "Because I want it"
3. That's what clothing's for. Are you really going to see much of your character's body once you're clothed and covered in armor?
The devblogs specifically explain why there is no character customization screen. If you want that, go play ARK and harvest dinosaur shit. (No, really, that's a legitimate gameplay activity, I'm not even making fun of the game.)[/QUOTE]
We all know that the reason for doing this is to basically russle some feathers and/or troll people. It's ironic them saying they want to make it not about the character, because that's exactly what it is doing. Also what was that ridiculous comment saying "some people spend longer making a character than playing the game". That's just straight up hyperbole.
And nothing wrong with harvesting dino shit. I have four dodos named Shit Machine, Poop Machine, Mr Shits and Mrs Plops who live on my narcoberry farm keeping it fertilised.
[QUOTE=Warm;48228847]Gender, just like race and dong size, has no effect upon gameplay.[/QUOTE]
lolololololol I think we will see that this is not the case. Oh what a wonderful world it would be if it was, but it just isn't. The character design won't be as a big a deal as what voice you have on the mic though.
Side note: I've KoSed a few women after mistaking them for "squeekers" lol.
edit: I haven't seen what gender my character is since Rust hasn't worked for me on Linux for a fortnight or so. Guess I'll boot windows now and check :/
further edit: Bad news, looks like I still have a penis.
Implement bleach and strap-on dildos.
[QUOTE] I think we will see that this is not the case[/QUOTE]
It will be the case. You shouldn't care if a persons character is black or white, male or female. You either kill them or you don't.
[QUOTE=withnail;48229466]We all know that the reason for doing this is to basically russle some feathers and/or troll people. It's ironic them saying they want to make it not about the character, because that's exactly what it is doing. Also what was that ridiculous comment saying "some people spend longer making a character than playing the game". That's just straight up hyperbole.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/rust-penises-patch/[/url]
It is a bit of a misquote. Garry said the character designer had more work put into it than the game itself.
[QUOTE=garry]In some cases people were spending a couple of hours designing their character. The character design part of the game had more work put into it than the game itself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=tankton;48229044]Yes, I can fire a gun. Yes I can still raid. That's not the issue. I would like the choice for the same reason people like to customise their characters on virtually all other games. You can still play, but might not like the looks of you character. How is this wrong, let alone sickening?[/QUOTE]
Same article as from above:
[QUOTE=garry]Assigning based on steamid means that everything we add gets evenly spread across the playerbase. We don't end up with 90 percent male white guys. We end up with a full spectrum. Players have to live with and accept who they are. They are recognizable, so more gameplay mechanics emerge. The long term goal in the back of our heads is to hide player names and have them only recognisable by familiarity. I think we are approaching that.[/QUOTE]
Just because other games do it, doesn't mean Rust must conform. There is a logical reason for what they are doing. Maybe Rust just isn't the right fit for you?
It is sickening because it IS misogynistic. You don't like playing a female purely because it is a female. Your hatred for women is apparent.
Only the Rust community could refuse to enjoy a game because they can't pick what gender they are. :rolleyes:
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It is sickening because it IS misogynistic. You don't like playing a female purely because it is a female. Your hatred for women is apparent.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Thats why I have been living together with my girl for the last 4.5 years.
Obviously I am the only one who likes a choice and is not a fucking troll so ill leave it here.
This used to be about player freedom, and character randomization doesn't really support that.
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One of our main aims with Rust is to [B]not control how people behave directly[/B]. For example some people want us to implement something to discourage people killing each other. Some kind of rating. Or turn killers red to warm you they can’t be trusted.
I hate that. [B]It’s not giving the players freedom. The players should decide how they play the game.[/B] You should be fearful of others. That is the whole point. [B]This is a game where the player makes their own story..[/B] and emotion plays into it a lot. If you see another guy in game.. – you’re going to be scared of him at first. But then you sniff around each other and decide to go on an adventure together. You begin to trust each other. That means so much more if you both had the ability to kill the other at any time and didn’t. And you weren’t just doing it for a green +1.
So what’s to stop you from going around killing anyone you want and taking their shit and becoming more powerful? Nothing. What’s stopping it from becoming a PVP killfest? You. Our job should be to give the players the tools they need. If you’re sick of getting killed – start a town. Build town walls. Give all the town members red clothes. Put warning signs up outside the town. Set up trip wires and alarms. Watch each others back.
[B]Our job is to give you the tools to allow you to protect yourself.[/B]
What’s stopping someone from dressing up in red, sneaking into your town and stealing form you? Nothing. That’s emergent gameplay. Find a solution. A secret handshake. Traps that the town-people know not to trigger.
What’s to stop one town invading and killing everyone in another town? Nothing. Build stronger defences. Don’t let them get powerful enough to take you down.
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This whole time, it's been talking about player freedom, not character freedom. I'm supposed to make my own story, and yet I can't make my own character. This doesn't cohere. If I have no investment in the character I play, I have no incentive to create a story with that character. On the other side of that same coin, if certain aspects of character models provide strategic advantages in the game, we are not being given the tools to defend ourselves if we aren't given the option to choose those advantages.
Please explain how your race/gender effects how you behave, directly?
The word "directly" is key.
[QUOTE=utilitron;48231698]Please explain how your race/gender effects how you behave, directly?
The word "directly" is key.[/QUOTE]
You mean how to not control how players behave directly? Put another way, how to not directly control how players behave?
I'd say not locking randomized hitboxes to our steamID's would be a way to not directly control how we play. That's a start. Add the same idea to skin tone, gender, and any other of the available randomized options.
I didn't read it all but you didn't get to choose shit when it came to being born...I look at this the same way. I am what I am and it's out of my control.
[QUOTE=almosttactful;48232413]I didn't read it all but you didn't get to choose shit when it came to being born...I look at this the same way. I am what I am and it's out of my control.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this. It removes any linearity there could have been to remove player determined race/sex. (In the good way.)
[QUOTE=almosttactful;48232413]I didn't read it all but you didn't get to choose shit when it came to being born...I look at this the same way. I am what I am and it's out of my control.[/QUOTE]
There's also two sides to argue this.
First: you also weren't born on a radioactive, anarchic island populated by ruthless survivors. We play this game because it's not reality.
Second: What you look like is almost completely customizable in the real world. You may not have gotten to choose how you looked when you were born, but if you don't think people can change thier gender or how they look, you need to pick up a newspaper.
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