What the hells the point of having oil be so rare in the arctic? - Rust

Are we supposed to have two bases now, one in the desert one in the arctic now? What's the point of having a pump jack with no quarry? I used 100 charges, couldnt find any oil.

It wouldn't be very interesting if you could find everything in a 100m radius. I think the devs are heading towards a "less guns, more player interaction" policy. You want something? Trade. Take risks. Or go out of your way and find what you want yourself.

Snow = metal, desert = oil. If you need oil you either make 2 bases or trade. Rust is a walking simulator, so walk over and steal some oil.

Because if everyone had the perfect amount of resources no matter where they settled, they'd never leave the 1 sq mile radius and would never have to trade or interact with anyone other than when raiding, and that is not cool.

[QUOTE]"less guns, more player interaction"[/QUOTE] Don't give them guns, then they will use bows, don't give them bows, then they will use rocks. Problem not in guns but in people :)

[QUOTE=PVD;48356014]Don't give them guns, then they will use bows, don't give them bows, then they will use rocks. Problem not in guns but in people :)[/QUOTE] That's very deep and all but kinda irrelevant to Rust. The point is to provide power play. It's not that you don't give them guns, it's that if you want guns you need to put in more effort.

[QUOTE=PVD;48356014]Don't give them guns, then they will use bows, don't give them bows, then they will use rocks. Problem not in guns but in people :)[/QUOTE] I said "less guns", not "no guns". In a "survival" game, there should not be dozens of players with guns blazing, shooting every single person they run into 24/7. Guns and ammo should be rare and precious, not something you can get in two minutes. Sadly, people don't understand that.

Oh fuck off with this trading bull shit. No one in their right mind is going to travel 3km with valuable resources to trade HQ for oil and then travel back.

Too bad for them then.

[QUOTE=iTeen;48357599]Oh fuck off with this trading bull shit. No one in their right mind is going to travel 3km with valuable resources to trade HQ for oil and then travel back.[/QUOTE] With vehicles traveling at 5x speed and armored it'll probably be much more of a reality. The real issue is that oil isn't a necessity to efficiently power and run quarries, it's just a luxury. Before oil pumps people were running those just off of animals, hemp and corpses. [U]To really drive home the trade concept several things need to happen:[/U] 1. Metabolism needs a full implementation, people need to depend on food and water more to give farmers a chance to grow and survive, making the central temperate biome viable as a source of food, water and wood. 2. Vehicles/Horses/Carts need to be implemented so that resources can be transported great distances. 3. Oil should be the most powerful method of running electricity. 4. Growing food in the Desert/Tundra biomes should be impossible. 5. Animals in the Desert/Tundra biomes should be sparse. 6. Animals in the Temperate biome should be plentiful. 7. Guns need a manufacturing process. 8. Bullets/Medical Supplies/Explosives need a manufacturing process. 9. Research and bp progression needs to be more fluid and less farmy. (Already in the works)

[QUOTE=Malexion;48357858]With vehicles traveling at 5x speed or so armored and so on it'll probably be much more of a reality.[/QUOTE] Maybe so, but until then this only serves to hinder gameplay.

[QUOTE=Malexion;48357858]With vehicles traveling at 5x speed or so armored and so on it'll probably be much more of a reality.[/QUOTE] I have to agree. Cars in Rust are very much going to be a thing. Long distances won't be a problem anymore.

[QUOTE=iTeen;48357923]Maybe so, but until then this only serves to hinder gameplay.[/QUOTE] just a little question, no-one seems to have thought of.... So you live in the snowy north and have no oil available to make fuel, how are you gonna power vehicles to travel south to trade said oil for your hqm...? Personally I think all resources should be available everywhere just in varying amounts.

[QUOTE=iTeen;48357923]Maybe so, but until then this only serves to hinder gameplay.[/QUOTE] Hinder? It's bringing it closer to their original plan. [editline]2nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48357958]just a little question, no-one seems to have thought of.... So you live in the snowy north and have no oil available to make fuel, how are you gonna power vehicles to travel south to trade said oil for your hqm...? Personally I think all resources should be available everywhere just in varying amounts.[/QUOTE] A) Kill some people for their oil B) Use a god damn horse available everywhere in the Temperate.

[QUOTE=Malexion;48357960]Hinder? It's bringing it closer to their original plan. [editline]2nd August 2015[/editline] A) Kill some people for their oil B) Use a god damn horse available everywhere in the Temperate.[/QUOTE] You're not thinking this out very well are you... Kill who when I'm in the North? I would have to travel South in the hope of finding someone who has oil, kill them and travel all the way back to power a vehicle, urmmmm yeah ok.... You mean those horses that can be shot and killed in 2 shots and are in your words, in temperate zones when I'm in the North... naaa this is full of holes.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48357987]You're not thinking this out very well are you... Kill who when I'm in the North? I would have to travel South in the hope of finding someone who has oil, kill them and travel all the way back to power a vehicle, urmmmm yeah ok.... You mean those horses that can be shot and killed in 2 shots and are in your words, in temperate zones when I'm in the North... naaa this is full of holes.[/QUOTE] You're not a clever man are you? If you're not willing to move around, why are you even playing?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48358150]You're not a clever man are you? If you're not willing to move around, why are you even playing?[/QUOTE] I can see holes in the whole point he was making and rather than a counter argument and pointing out why I may be wrong or a solution, you insult my intelligence, who is really a bit dull here ? - As for moving around, how and why I play the game has nothing to do with you... It takes real intelligence to state 'You're not a clever man are you?' doesn't it with absolutely NO ARGUMENTS about the points I am making.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48358191]As for moving around, [B]how and why I play the game has nothing to do with you[/B]... It takes real intelligence to state 'You're not a clever man are you?' doesn't it with absolutely NO ARGUMENTS about the points I am making.[/QUOTE] It takes real intelligence to refuse to engage someone in the only argument they are making in order to throw your butthurt back at them. Trade or develop more robust gathering tactics. Consider a more nomadic playstyle. Don't immediatly complain and demand something gets changed just so you don't have to change anything about the way you play. During an imbalanced alpha.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48358262]It takes real intelligence to refuse to engage someone in the only argument they are making in order to throw your butthurt back at them. Trade or develop more robust gathering tactics. Consider a more nomadic playstyle. Don't immediatly complain and demand something gets changed just so you don't have to change anything about the way you play. During an imbalanced alpha.[/QUOTE] Refuse to engage, where? Complain and demand something gets changed, Where? I think you have a rather vivid imagination or have an inability to read and digest what I actually said, but please feel free to point out where I am refusing to engage or complaining and demand something gets changed... Please point it out.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48358288]Refuse to engage, where? Complain and demand something gets changed, Where? I think you have a rather vivid imagination or have an inability to read and digest what I actually said, but please feel free to point out where I am refusing to engage or complaining and demand something gets changed... Please point it out.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48358191]I can see holes in the whole point he was making and rather than a counter argument and pointing out why I may be wrong or a solution, (blablabla) [B]As for moving around, how and why I play the game has nothing to do with you...[/B][/QUOTE] That right there, that's you shutting down debate on how to actually address the situation by changing your gameplay. That's shutting down itisjuly's counterargument. You've got two legs in Rust, use 'em, have convoys and work out what routes are safer and what ones pass too close to established bases and high-traffic areas. Rust is a game of making your own solutions to the challenges presented. The game is also not balanced yet, big surprise. On the point of "complain and demand change", I take that back, as I'd misremembered other peoples' posts in this thread as belonging to you. My bad.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48358481]That right there, that's you shutting down debate on how to actually address the situation by changing your gameplay. That's shutting down itisjuly's counterargument. You've got two legs in Rust, use 'em, have convoys and work out what routes are safer and what ones pass too close to established bases and high-traffic areas. Rust is a game of making your own solutions to the challenges presented. The game is also not balanced yet, big surprise. On the point of "complain and demand change", I take that back, as I'd misremembered other peoples' posts in this thread as belonging to you. My bad.[/QUOTE] Urmmmm refusing to speak about my reasons for playing and how I play have nothing to do with the points I made, in fact it was a sidestep to avoid the points I did make, hence my refusal to discuss it (ya know cos it detracts from the point and goes off on a tangent elsewhere that is not relevant) - There was no counter argument to the actual points I raised. Just questions about my gameplay that are not relevant, did I even mention anything about not being willing to travel?, I think you'll find that I never, I am just raising points about what I see as issues with the gameplay and the reply you are referring to was a snide remark with no relevance. Did you read the points or even the question I asked... It seems by your response that you never. Also, everyone is entitled to play a game the way they wish and not to be dictated to as to how they [I]should[/I] play, who are you or anyone else to tell me how I should play a game I paid for?, but I digress, I'm not discussing how or why I play as again it's not relevant to the points I made.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48358542] Also, everyone is entitled to play a game the way they wish and not to be dictated to as to how they [I]should[/I] play, who are you or anyone else to tell me how I should play a game I paid for?[/QUOTE] Is this a joke? You play however you wish, true. But you can't play against the rules the game has. You don't NEED oil to play the game. If you do want oil, you gotta work for it by using your brain and legs and getting some one way or another. It's like saying you bought a chess set and now you are entitled to play however you like. No you're not. You can do it alone but in an online game you are not entitled to shit. There's a gameplay design reason why oil and HQM are in different biomes. It's exactly so that people don't camp up if they wish to get both resources. And you can't go "hur dur I paid so I'm entitled to this and that". If you do not like a product you either don't buy it or refund it, you don't whine about some imagined entitlement. In summary, you are not forced to one playstyle but if you wish to get the stuff you gotta adhere to some rules set by the game.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48358669]Is this a joke? You play however you wish, true. But you can't play against the rules the game has. You don't NEED oil to play the game. If you do want oil, you gotta work for it by using your brain and legs and getting some one way or another. It's like saying you bought a chess set and now you are entitled to play however you like. No you're not. You can do it alone but in an online game you are not entitled to shit. There's a gameplay design reason why oil and HQM are in different biomes. It's exactly so that people don't camp up if they wish to get both resources. And you can't go "hur dur I paid so I'm entitled to this and that". If you do not like a product you either don't buy it or refund it, you don't whine about some imagined entitlement. In summary, you are not forced to one playstyle but if you wish to get the stuff you gotta adhere to some rules set by the game.[/QUOTE] Do you have anything to say to the points I actually made or are you going to continue this futile shit about nothing? - Start by showing me where I said I wasn't prepared to work for oil. I'm guessing by your replies so far, firstly insulting my intelligence, now secondly by continuing to question how I play a game I paid for and is not relevant in any way what-so-ever that you are not and are going to continue to avoid the actual points I made.. Would you please point out where I made any point at all about me not travelling around the map? - Also point out where I'm whining about some imagined entitlement OR stick to the points I made instead of some imagined shit you think I said.

What points did you make? I can't find any in this thread.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48358777]What points did you make? I can't find any in this thread.[/QUOTE] So... You're not going to state where I said I wasn't prepared to travel. You're not going to state where I said I wasn't prepared to work for oil. You're not going to state where I'm whining about some imagined entitlement. MAYBE BECAUSE YOU MADE IT UP! Can't find any points I made, maybe you should try harder! Shit I'm out, going to watch the soprano's before I say something and get banned here.

Evil, yeah they didn't really address what you said. And you made a mistake by letting yourself get trolled by Elix. He jumped in to the thread, started the insults "It takes real intelligence...", and it worked to get a response out of you.

[QUOTE=Evil Flanker;48357987]You're not thinking this out very well are you... Kill who when I'm in the North? I would have to travel South in the hope of finding someone who has oil, kill them and travel all the way back to power a vehicle, urmmmm yeah ok.... You mean those horses that can be shot and killed in 2 shots and are in your words, in temperate zones when I'm in the North... naaa this is full of holes.[/QUOTE] The game isn't balanced right now. Nowhere did Garry and crew mention that they wanted NO oil in the north and NO HQM in the south. It's supposed to be LESS common, and somehow it got fucked up to be almost non existent. Let them sort it out by pointing out that it's not working as intended instead of getting in arguments about it.

[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;48360340]The game isn't balanced right now. Nowhere did Garry and crew mention that they wanted NO oil in the north and NO HQM in the south. It's supposed to be LESS common, and somehow it got fucked up to be almost non existent. Let them sort it out by pointing out that it's not working as intended instead of getting in arguments about it.[/QUOTE] Are you sure that it's not working as intended? Also, what would be wrong with making oil less rare but also make it less dense, so that the jacks output less on average per fuel compared to the desert biome? I don't know why they didn't just do that in the first place. Also, you can still get sulfur ore and stone from quarries in the desert, no? That's not really fair to the people living in the north...

[QUOTE=iTeen;48360460]Are you sure that it's not working as intended? Also, what would be wrong with making oil less rare but also make it less dense, so that the jacks output less on average per fuel compared to the desert biome? I don't know why they didn't just do that in the first place.[/QUOTE] Well I don't have a personal confirmation from Garry or anything but I'm pretty sure yeah. The devblog mentions that they wanted to make the materials less common in their "rare" zones. They never stated anywhere that they wanted to make it nonexistent. Just like how animals are in every zone, even if they're most common in the temperate zone.

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