What is point of Propkilling? - Garry's Mod

[B]Thread says all.[/B] İ am getting all these "propminges,propkillers etc." on my server usually and i am trying to talk to them instead of banning them without listening.But mostly they just join and start propkilling so i ban them. Anyways what is the point of propkilling? What is the point of ruining rp for others.?

A large portion of Garry's Mod users are uncreative and can't have fun in-game unless it is actively ruining game for someone else.

It can be really fun if you're good at it. Back in the day there used to be prop kill clans. The two big ones being PoKi and Millefiore. These communities have died out, and most experienced prop killers have left GMod afaik. Proper prop killing goes far beyond dropping a toilet on someone's head [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-mTCs9txYg[/media] (skip the huge intro in this one) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiChwHaghsw[/media] Here's an "official" fight between two experienced prop killers. I just barely lost this one: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIc4_vq1iK4[/media] 'twas a good fight.

But it is not a reason to ruin roleplay experience i think.They are soo bad that if you ban them they ddos your server.Few days ago i banned a propkiller he is ddosing my server for 2 days now. Why dont they play poki again or why no one is hosting poki gamemode again lol.

Because people like to ruin the fun for others, and they get a kick out of it. Either they're a bunch of manchildren, or are children themselves.

[QUOTE=Justtr;44849492]But it is not a reason to ruin roleplay experience i think.They are soo bad that if you ban them they ddos your server.Few days ago i banned a propkiller he is ddosing my server for 2 days now. Why dont they play poki again or why no one is hosting poki gamemode again lol.[/QUOTE] I think the biggest problem with prop killers comes from the ones that spawn toilets above peoples' heads. They don't know what they're doing. They barely manage to kill someone. There are few experienced prop killers as far as I'm aware. There used to be more of them. DDoS'ing is bad regardless of the reason.

Speaking of that, do propkill servers still exist? I enjoyed playing on them regularly.

I honestly don't know.

[QUOTE=FPtje;44849951]I think the biggest problem with prop killers comes from the ones that spawn toilets above peoples' heads. They don't know what they're doing. They barely manage to kill someone. There are few experienced prop killers as far as I'm aware. There used to be more of them. DDoS'ing is bad regardless of the reason.[/QUOTE] They really dont know what they are doing. İ am trying to find solution but Anti-Propkills are bad since i see that you can just exploit it :D

[QUOTE=Bonswazzle;44849648]Because people like to ruin the fun for others, and they get a kick out of it. Either they're a bunch of manchildren, or are children themselves.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Justtr;44849492]But it is not a reason to ruin roleplay experience i think.They are soo bad that if you ban them they ddos your server.Few days ago i banned a propkiller he is ddosing my server for 2 days now. Why dont they play poki again or why no one is hosting poki gamemode again lol.[/QUOTE] "Roleplay experience" heh

because it's funny

I played on a prop kill server last night. They are still around.

[QUOTE=Justtr;44850329]They really dont know what they are doing. İ am trying to find solution but Anti-Propkills are bad since i see that you can just exploit it :D[/QUOTE] Good spectate mods. They're the best tool around. FAdmin has it too. I don't think I know a mod that does it as good as FAdmin does (undetectable, free roaming etc.)

[QUOTE=FPtje;44850073]I honestly don't know.[/QUOTE] There's at least 2 propkill servers in australia, the PK community is still alive and well here we don't seem to see any international propkillers anymore though

[QUOTE=FPtje;44857367]Good spectate mods. They're the best tool around. FAdmin has it too. I don't think I know a mod that does it as good as FAdmin does (undetectable, free roaming etc.)[/QUOTE] Yeah, last time I used it I could see local chat whilst using it - if I remember right. Not sure though, but it's damn good.

Honestly? It's hilarious.

[QUOTE=jamesrupert;44857501]Yeah, last time I used it I could see local chat whilst using it - if I remember right. Not sure though, but it's damn good.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I put quite some effort into it :)

[QUOTE=FPtje;44849951]I think the biggest problem with prop killers comes from the ones that spawn toilets above peoples' heads. They don't know what they're doing. They barely manage to kill someone. There are few experienced prop killers as far as I'm aware. There used to be more of them.[/QUOTE] The biggest problem with prop killers is that they simply do it to ruin for others. I wouldn't care jack shit if all prop killers went on the same server and had a prop killing war. Having a 1v1 prop killing fight is something I would cherish, but not annoying an innocent sandbox builder that simply wants to explore E2.

It's gmod after all, it wouldn't be the same without minges. Just have administrators that don't suck and you'll be fine. And if you don't have those administrators, they will learn from those experiences and make your sever better as a whole. If they don't learn from it, they suck and probably shouldn't be admins in the first place. [video=youtube;RfHd0_Hmp7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHd0_Hmp7I[/video] How was it even possible for me to do this for like 15min without being banned. (I'm not even good at propkilling)

I lik reading FPtje's posts. He's like an old gramps telling us yougins about the undergone history of Gmod that's only documented in the memories of those who were there.

[QUOTE=LennyPenny;44858683]It's gmod after all, it wouldn't be the same without minges. Just have administrators that don't suck and you'll be fine. And if you don't have those administrators, they will learn from those experiences and make your sever better as a whole. If they don't learn from it, they suck and probably shouldn't be admins in the first place. [video=youtube;RfHd0_Hmp7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHd0_Hmp7I[/video] How was it even possible for me to do this for like 15min without being banned. (I'm not even good at propkilling)[/QUOTE] It's a game, not a full time job as an administrator without pay.

[QUOTE=LennyPenny;44858683]It's gmod after all, it wouldn't be the same without minges. Just have administrators that don't suck and you'll be fine. And if you don't have those administrators, they will learn from those experiences and make your sever better as a whole. If they don't learn from it, they suck and probably shouldn't be admins in the first place. [video=youtube;RfHd0_Hmp7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHd0_Hmp7I[/video] How was it even possible for me to do this for like 15min without being banned. (I'm not even good at propkilling)[/QUOTE] Were you aimbotting or just a really good shot?

After the gmod 13 update, scrolling a prop forward invariably sends the prop backwards no matter which way I scroll. I can't propkill anymore without a mousing script and I never was good at aiming anyways.

[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;44858879]It's a game, not a full time job as an administrator without pay.[/QUOTE] What are you even talking about? Nobody questioned gmod being a game. When you choose to be an admin, you have to take responsibility for the server. And yes it's a problem that most admins don't get compensated. [QUOTE=TheFifthWheel;44858913]Were you aimbotting or just a really good shot?[/QUOTE] Why would I aim manually if the server allows me to use an aimbot.

[QUOTE=LennyPenny;44859327]What are you even talking about? Nobody questioned gmod being a game. When you choose to be an admin, you have to take responsibility for the server. And yes it's a problem that most admins don't get compensated.[/QUOTE] You don't understand. What I meant with Garry's Mod being a game is that a game is something you should look forward to come home to after a hectic day at work or school. But as an Admin, the only thing you see when you get home and boot up your PC is 8 unread chat messages from your community saying [I]"there's a prop killer/RDM'er on the server"[/I] and you notice the server's empty. And trust me, it's not easy finding enough admins to cover 24 hours. Being an Admin is not supposed to be what it is today in Garry's Mod. To me, an Admin is someone who hosts different kind of fun events on the server, helps new players understand the gamemode and makes sure the server is operating as it should while still being able to play the game without having to be interrupted every 2 minutes because there's someone ruining it for you.

[QUOTE=MonkeysLP;44858713]I lik reading FPtje's posts. He's like an old gramps telling us yougins about the undergone history of Gmod that's only documented in the memories of those who were there.[/QUOTE] Haha Exactly! :D

[QUOTE=FPtje;44857367]Good spectate mods. They're the best tool around. FAdmin has it too. I don't think I know a mod that does it as good as FAdmin does (undetectable, free roaming etc.)[/QUOTE] The fadmin spectate is by far the best I've ever used, and when we made our own admin mod we kept the fadmin spectate. Very fluid within darkrp and untraceable, you should put together a quick standalone one onto coderhire for $5 for the TTT whores - untraceable spectate etc etc. Prop killing within darkrp is just stupid, performed by kids who love to ruin peoples fun really. It's the same as going straight to gun dealer and shooting everyone you see, i see NO reason to join an RP server to go around killing people as a means of ruining there gameplay. Anyone defending that is just simply wrong. Taking prop kill protection out of FPP was a terrible idea, and you did it because you loved prop killing yourself not because of it's complexity or the ability to frame people. Just because a great prop killer needs skill and practice doesn't mean it's not a dick thing to do in a server where it is not wanted nor appreciated. And before you reply saying you removed it for being easy to frame people you can stop all forms of prop killing with a quick hook. Although I do miss laughing at people who killed themselves while building there base, I kinda found that a tad realism RP based, people die in home repairs all the time :)

[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;44859424]You don't understand. What I meant with Garry's Mod being a game is that a game is something you should look forward to come home to after a hectic day at work or school. But as an Admin, the only thing you see when you get home and boot up your PC is 8 unread chat messages from your community saying [I]"there's a prop killer/RDM'er on the server"[/I] and you notice the server's empty. And trust me, it's not easy finding enough admins to cover 24 hours. Being an Admin is not supposed to be what it is today in Garry's Mod. To me, an Admin is someone who hosts different kind of fun events on the server, helps new players understand the gamemode and makes sure the server is operating as it should while still being able to play the game without having to be interrupted every 2 minutes because there's someone ruining it for you.[/QUOTE] Yes of course, taking responsibility is just a part of it, but being admin is not just funsies. When I was an active admin on darkrp I had loads of time doing cool stuff with the players and taking care of prop killers is just one command and never took any serious effort. If you have your players contacting you about rdm every two minutes then there's definitely something wrong. Today's darkrp servers are doing it wrong anyway, making themselves administrate more than they need to. (Having to advert raids for example) And that's what made me ultimately quit playing it seriously, everything is outruled except playing a printerfarmer or a rambo.

[QUOTE=Pantho;44859805]The fadmin spectate is by far the best I've ever used, and when we made our own admin mod we kept the fadmin spectate. Very fluid within darkrp and untraceable, you should put together a quick standalone one onto coderhire for $5 for the TTT whores - untraceable spectate etc etc. Prop killing within darkrp is just stupid, performed by kids who love to ruin peoples fun really. It's the same as going straight to gun dealer and shooting everyone you see, i see NO reason to join an RP server to go around killing people as a means of ruining there gameplay. Anyone defending that is just simply wrong. Taking prop kill protection out of FPP was a terrible idea, and you did it because you loved prop killing yourself not because of it's complexity or the ability to frame people. Just because a great prop killer needs skill and practice doesn't mean it's not a dick thing to do in a server where it is not wanted nor appreciated. And before you reply saying you removed it for being easy to frame people you can stop all forms of prop killing with a quick hook. Although I do miss laughing at people who killed themselves while building there base, I kinda found that a tad realism RP based, people die in home repairs all the time :)[/QUOTE] By that logic I would never have made the anti prop kill in the first place. After all I was a prop killer before I made that script. I am one of the very first to write such script. It was removed for two reasons: People could circumvent it in several ways It already fucked up genuine gameplay, restricting even more would fuck up gameplay even more. I've learned a lot of things about anti prop kill scripts from that, and I developed a slogan for prop kill prevention scripts: Either it doesn't work or it fucks up genuine gameplay or both, usually both. I've said this many, many times. Luckily at least some people are starting to figure out how annoying these scripts are. FAdmin spectate was designed for finding prop killers. It was designed specifically to be undetectable by people running scripts. It was designed specifically to be able to follow something, see their private chats (which good prop killers often use if they don't use steam). It's nice that it works for other situations too, but I made it specifically for detecting clever minges, especially prop killers. I made it so that even I would be caught minging if the admin used FAdmin spectate. I think I might very well have the best tool against prop killers, good AND bad ones. Prop kill detection scripts are outright malicious, often without its creator even knowing how malicious these scripts are.

[QUOTE=FPtje;44860962]By that logic I would never have made the anti prop kill in the first place. After all I was a prop killer before I made that script. I am one of the very first to write such script. It was removed for two reasons: People could circumvent it in several ways It already fucked up genuine gameplay, restricting even more would fuck up gameplay even more. I've learned a lot of things about anti prop kill scripts from that, and I developed a slogan for prop kill prevention scripts: Either it doesn't work or it fucks up genuine gameplay or both, usually both. I've said this many, many times. Luckily at least some people are starting to figure out how annoying these scripts are. FAdmin spectate was designed for finding prop killers. It was designed specifically to be undetectable by people running scripts. It was designed specifically to be able to follow something, see their private chats (which good prop killers often use if they don't use steam). It's nice that it works for other situations too, but I made it specifically for detecting clever minges, especially prop killers. I made it so that even I would be caught minging if the admin used FAdmin spectate. I think I might very well have the best tool against prop killers, good AND bad ones. Prop kill detection scripts are outright malicious, often without its creator even knowing how malicious these scripts are.[/QUOTE] <snip tl> Yes detection scripts are nearly always moronic, pretty sure we had this discussion a year ago. They always give the minge more fun to have by tricking innocents into being banned. Prevention can be done on a minor scale to stop it on a serious scale tho, and without hurting RP to much extent.