RP Terms Which Confuse You. - Garry's Mod

This is a little bit of an off-run to several other RP esque forums... Whats this one regarding though? RP Terms/Rules which make no fucking sense or have any form of logical output. I'll start off! [b] RDM [/b] The term RDM is without doubt the most annoying/frustrating term I've ever had to hear in my time of actually roleplaying. Why? Because it makes no damn sense! So let me get this straight... If were RP'ing, and a guy kills us in the form of mass murder, genocide, just whatever floats the boat of the RP, we have too stop roleplaying, and go,"RDM RDM RDM" Why? Why can't players just actually roleplay out the situation, and let the authority(i.e. MP's, CP's, NCR) take control of the situation without disturbing the roleplay. Yeah in the long-run that can go hand in hand with people just being complete idiots by slaughtering off the whole server, but I believe to get better RP you need to drop the term of RDM all together, and actually roleplay out the situation, and later down the road where the player is arrested you could form a punishment involving ragdoll hanging or something. Alright shoot with your complaints, and make comments on others.

RP Seriously I don't think anybody gets that one

RDM is there for a reason. And I have been on RP servers (actual ones, not DarkDM) where they have RPed out murders, but when one player just gets a gun and runs around shooting everyone without RPing it out himself then it's RDM, because that's not RP, that's just slaughtering everyone on the server for fun. If he were to actually RP it out, he would use /me commands and such. No RP terms doesn't make any sense to me, they all exist for a reason. Are you actually referring to RP, or DarkDM?

NLR Every server has a different take on it, but no server has a clue what it is. If I get robbed and killed by a thief, I should be able to report it to the police without getting banned for "breaking NLR". The idea of NLR is to keep players away from the situations that killed them, not to ensure a clean getaway by the criminal[s]. People forget that these terms and customs derived from MMOs, not FPSs, so you need to stop being lazy and develop your own set of rules and meaning. Guess not.

[QUOTE=Layley;27988217]RP Seriously I don't think anybody gets that one[/QUOTE] Sad but true

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27987793]This is a little bit of an off-run to several other RP esque forums... Whats this one regarding though? RP Terms/Rules which make no fucking sense or have any form of logical output. I'll start off! [b] RDM [/b] The term RDM is without doubt the most annoying/frustrating term I've ever had to hear in my time of actually roleplaying. Why? Because it makes no damn sense! So let me get this straight... If were RP'ing, and a guy kills us in the form of mass murder, genocide, just whatever floats the boat of the RP, we have too stop roleplaying, and go,"RDM RDM RDM" Why? Why can't players just actually roleplay out the situation, and let the authority(i.e. MP's, CP's, NCR) take control of the situation without disturbing the roleplay. Yeah in the long-run that can go hand in hand with people just being complete idiots by slaughtering off the whole server, but I believe to get better RP you need to drop the term of RDM all together, and actually roleplay out the situation, and later down the road where the player is arrested you could form a punishment involving ragdoll hanging or something. Alright shoot with your complaints, and make comments on others.[/QUOTE] Gold words. Man, I was like that, but you just opened my eyes. You are right. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Deprehensio;27988911]NLR Every server has a different take on it, but no server has a clue what it is. If I get robbed and killed by a thief, I should be able to report it to the police without getting banned for "breaking NLR". The idea of NLR is to keep players away from the situations that killed them, not to ensure a clean getaway by the criminal[s]. People forget that these terms and customs derived from MMOs, not FPSs, so you need to stop being lazy and develop your own set of rules and meaning. Guess not.[/QUOTE] If you were killed and robbed, how the hell are you supposed to report that? You are dead. NLR is a necesary rule to prevent revenge. In real life you can't report a man for killing you, can you? If it is serious RP, NLR is necesary. As for my contribution, I would say [b]Applicaitons[/b] I know it all bring organization, but it also brings burocracy. Applications, a lot of paper work, it all takes al ot of time. Then an admin can easily decline any application (you can "constructively" make any text look like shit) if he dislikes a person. People should be prove themselves as good RP'ers in-game. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] Fuck yes automerge

[QUOTE=Deprehensio;27988911]NLR Every server has a different take on it, but no server has a clue what it is. If I get robbed and killed by a thief, I should be able to report it to the police without getting banned for "breaking NLR". The idea of NLR is to keep players away from the situations that killed them, not to ensure a clean getaway by the criminal[s].[/QUOTE] *Player A and Player B are in a dark alley with no one near by to witness the events.* *Player A points a gun at Player B* "Put your hands up and give me your money!" *Player B laughs* "Whatever noob, I'll just respawn and report you to the police." Yeah, that's some quality RP right there.

I agree. Dead people don't catch criminals. People that stood alive catch them. And did they stay alive or not depends on their skills.

There needs to be an airtight RP mode for any of these things to work. Little things which would balance the situation out like: -Having an animation and a delay for when someone is reaching for a gun. This gives the victim a time to get away or fight back. -Only having someone's name displayed after they introduce themselves. That way you could be attacked and only able to give a vague description of the attacker. -Police are notified when someone is killed, and where, but not who killed them.

I guess I should rephrase that. I'm talking out of RP. Like, if a cop robs me outside of RP, I should be able to do something about it, regardless of if he kills me or not; this is because NLR only applies to what happens in RP context, not outside of it, and yet even outside of it, you can still be banned.

[QUOTE=Deprehensio;27997792]I guess I should rephrase that. I'm talking out of RP. Like, if a cop robs me outside of RP, I should be able to do something about it, regardless of if he kills me or not; this is because NLR only applies to what happens in RP context, not outside of it, and yet even outside of it, you can still be banned.[/QUOTE] The only problem with that is people use that for heavy trolling reasons. For example, back in PERP I would get in contact with groups which would advertise owning weed,and I would arrest them only to get banned for arresting those whom advertised it.

Who advertises Weed? Should you do it like discrete like placing a note in a back alley or near trash so people can find it rather than go *ADVERTISEMENT!* GUYS COME THE RED HOUSE FOR DRUGS ALL THEM ARE CHEAP AS WELL GUNS!

[b]OP[/b] Dumb.

The phrase RDM bugs me because by definition DM [b]IS[/b] random, that's what makes it DM. I second the New Life Rule shit. Servers seem unable to realize that putting such a rule in place only encourages people to kill each other to escape retribution instead of actually roleplaying. I stopped trying to RP on Gmod because 12 year olds can't, most of the major server owners are assholes with huge egos, and I am tired of STALKER, HL2, and Fallout "RP" which seem to be the only three scenarios people can put together.

[QUOTE=Mr.Macintosh;28001663][b]OP[/b] Dumb.[/QUOTE] It's ironic due the fact this thread is about what terms confuse you by the meaning of RDM or how people bend the meaning of it. Please Macintosh never post on FP ever again you remind me too much of Blumer or Doug

[QUOTE=RG4;28001712] Please Macintosh never post on FP ever again[/QUOTE] Only because you said please :unsmith:

Well, NLR doesn't work if hte situation is outside of RP. Seriously, if you got Pew pew DM'ed absolutely randomly with some abusage (if it was a cop) then you go to forums or to admins. If you have no way to report RDM on the server - troll the server and find a better one.

One rule i dont understand that i see on some servers is not to kill the admins... They go around killing players but when we kill them, We get banned.

Alright I got something else to add to the list. [b] S2K/S2M [/b] I've played quiet a few HL2 RP servers, but this is seemingly [i] that [/i] rule which continues to pop up. Shoot 2 Kill/Shoot 2 Miss. Yeah I know I shouldn't argue that these rules aren't needed in HL2 RP script based servers, but the usage of them is just frustrating. For example, I arm up a group of guys, and we set up, and ambush in the Canals for a Rebel Convoy that we've known about for like a week. We're pumped. We WANT too kill them. Blood pumped we wait for them to get into the area, and once we spot them we begin unloading on their posistions, and we manage too kill a few, and others retreat. You wanna know what happens? We get yelled at for S2K'ing in a s2m-zone. Sad part of this whole story? It's an S2K zone only a few yards from our posistion. This rule is a big piss off for people who are aiming to stop their enemies. Why am I get pissed about this? Becauser people complain that, "IT SUCKS WHEN YOU LOSE EVERYTHING IN 1 SHOT TO THE FACE" well... Welcome to life I guess? I believe a system should be added to make it so if players are dragged back to a point of safety, and then are patched up they can be pulled away from the field, and are allowed to survive. On the other hand though... If you die on the field you just die. Simply said, and simply done.

[QUOTE=Best4bond;28023025]One rule i dont understand that i see on some servers is not to kill the admins... They go around killing players but when we kill them, We get banned.[/QUOTE] They're just the terrible ones that 12 year olds own [editline]13th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Euphe;28022790]Well, NLR doesn't work if hte situation is outside of RP. Seriously, if you got Pew pew DM'ed absolutely randomly with some abusage (if it was a cop) then you go to forums or to admins. If you have no way to report RDM on the server - troll the server and find a better one.[/QUOTE] NLR only counts for in Character deaths, if somebody just walks up and shoots you for no reason then you'd be allowed to continue [editline]13th February 2011[/editline] And not really a term but something that annoys the shit out of me Donkey voters with /demote You're working undercover with a mafia group, they plan to assassinate a cop as a warning to the city for screwing with them You plan to kill the assassin in secret to stop the assassination Sneak up on him and shoot him He calls RDM and starts a demote without even asking you what happening Everyone else on the server votes yes without listening and the whole thing goes to shit

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28023339][b] S2K/S2M [/b][/QUOTE]This is by far the stupidest. RP is meant to portray reality through the eyes of the character. Why the hell would anyone try to miss when shooting their enemies in a fight? There are warning shots, there are flares and smoke bombs, but when it comes to exchanging fire, always shoot to kill. I'm going to go look for servers with this rule and troll them with it. Excuse me, gentlemen.

RDM arrest Random deathmatch arrest makes no fucking sense at all and I don't know why people are saying it

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;28024224]RDM arrest Random deathmatch arrest makes no fucking sense at all and I don't know why people are saying it[/QUOTE] You have no idea how many times I've seen people do this... People get arrested and shout "RDM" I got, "Wait... What?" and I ask whats a Random Deathmatch arrest?" They all flip shit after that point.

[QUOTE=Jocken300;27988900]RDM is there for a reason. And I have been on RP servers (actual ones, not DarkDM) where they have RPed out murders, but when one player just gets a gun and runs around shooting everyone without RPing it out himself then it's RDM, because that's not RP, that's just slaughtering everyone on the server for fun. If he were to actually RP it out, he would use /me commands and such. No RP terms doesn't make any sense to me, they all exist for a reason. Are you actually referring to RP, or DarkDM?[/QUOTE] I find the /me command pretty useless nowadays, we have GRAPHICS, if I wanted to pick up something I just pick it and the other person will see me picking it up and so on.

[QUOTE=Loures;28025316]I find the /me command pretty useless nowadays, we have GRAPHICS, if I wanted to pick up something I just pick it and the other person will see me picking it up and so on.[/QUOTE] [i]The ninja lay in wait for his target. Hanging upside down by the support beams, he sees something move in the corner of his eye.[/i] It's probably easier to do text. Some people don't want to admit it but you should probably enjoy reading and writing to RP properly. This term I hate only applies to DarkRP: [b]Jobs.[/b] Some DarkDM servers think that when you're playing you absolutely [i]must[/i] play by the rules of the job your character is in. If you're a thief, you have to steal stuff. You can't do anything creative like, say, going Robin Hood on them and giving the stuff to Hobos. If you're a cop, you must arrest the lolbadguys. No vigilante, no good cop gone bad, nothing. And if you're a citizen, you're supposed to do absolutely nothing. Can these guys just stop RPing by the script and actually use their brains?

[QUOTE=Deprehensio;27988911]NLR Every server has a different take on it, but no server has a clue what it is. If I get robbed and killed by a thief, I should be able to report it to the police without getting banned for "breaking NLR". The idea of NLR is to keep players away from the situations that killed them, not to ensure a clean getaway by the criminal[s]. People forget that these terms and customs derived from MMOs, not FPSs, so you need to stop being lazy and develop your own set of rules and meaning. Guess not.[/QUOTE] I have been kicked from one server because a thief killed me in my shop, I went back because its my shop and the admin kicked me for breaking nlr.

Is anyone else up for re-writing terms/rules for RP servers?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28028533]Is anyone else up for re-writing terms/rules for RP servers?[/QUOTE]The point is for servers to create their own terms and rules, instead of recycling others.

Very true. Still though... Someone needs to hammer into a server host's skull the meaning of NLR.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;28024224]RDM arrest Random deathmatch arrest makes no fucking sense at all and I don't know why people are saying it[/QUOTE] Whenever someone says that my immediate response is "So you got arrested because you were RDMing? Good, you deserve it." On the topic of S2M, I think the only time anyone should S2M when exchanging fire is when the two players/groups have agreed OOC to do so.