Phong Issues? - Garry's Mod

Well, this might be from the latest update (which apparently 'broke' GMod, but at least it seemed to work for me), but I still think it might be worth asking for information, since the last issue I had with Half-Life 2 maps was related to a mistake by Valve, not GMod. Basically, this happened: [IMG]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/412/d1eli010037.jpg[/IMG] I suspect it might be related to phong, seeing as it's affecting only materials where phong is applied. Anyone know how to fix it? I was hoping to get some posing done for a comic...

It's very strange. What's that?

[QUOTE=Loucouss;29196828]It's very strange. What's that?[/QUOTE]Basically, it makes phong (or something else I'm not aware of) look like extreme cel shading. Am I the only one getting this?

You're not the only one. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1079108-Yo-Garry-what-s-with-the-funky-L4D2-SI[/url]

[QUOTE=Jakkor;29197117]You're not the only one. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1079108-Yo-Garry-what-s-with-the-funky-L4D2-SI[/url][/QUOTE]Hadn't seen your thread, sorry. :/ It's clearly phong, otherwise it wouldn't just apply to Eli and Kleiner's heads.

Borderlands in Source Engine.

[QUOTE=Loucouss;29198495]Borderlands in Source Engine.[/QUOTE]I'm obviously going to be banned from being ungrateful for a brand new feature of Garry's Mod. Kidding aside, it's a bit bothersome, because I was going to make some poses in a Half-Life 2 comic. If it was more subtle, this "effect" would be great on other comics, but not a serious HL2 one.

I'm not getting that, but the models are a bit too much on the phongy side for my taste.

Try mat_specular 0 into the console. Might wrk though might not. My guess is that the new phong shader is somewhat more demanding than the old one and your card just isn't capable of rendering it correctly.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;29242642]Try mat_specular 0 into the console. Might wrk though might not. My guess is that the new phong shader is somewhat more demanding than the old one and your card just isn't capable of rendering it correctly.[/QUOTE] :what: [editline]17th April 2011[/editline] The GeForce GT 120 may be a piece of crap, but it's not a crappy piece of crappy crap.

Does it happen in CS:S, ep2, hl2 etc?

Same thing happens to me only white instead of black. Just Garry's Mod for me AFAIK.

[QUOTE=garry;29251138]Does it happen in CS:S, ep2, hl2 etc?[/QUOTE] I've seen helmets that are too shiny in DoD:S. The Combine soldiers did not have that bright phongy film on them in HL2. [img_thumb]http://i56.tinypic.com/f36g7k.jpg[/img_thumb]

Most of the models I use in Gmod, whether it is from CSS or DOD, are overly shiny. Too much phong. I'm on a GTX 580. I haven't tried other OB games.

Overly bright phong shading here too, on an Nvidia 570 GTX with fully up to date drivers. [URL]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540639762160932061/312DFAB95E0E74FECB0BF2407A699FCE07BE5A43/[/URL] Also the Ep2 blood effects have been replaced with the TF2 particles. [URL]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540639762123282423/07A9D4D8A36E7E30511189B2CE8F43AA5213FB79/[/URL] I'm also getting a lot of missing sounds like the hunter screams and walking sounds and the jalopy's engine.

[QUOTE=garry;29251138]Does it happen in CS:S, ep2, hl2 etc?[/QUOTE]You know, I'd like to think I'm not stupid enough to forget to check that out, but, alas, I really am that stupid. Sorry, Garry; let me just check it out, and I'll edit this post with the answer. [b]EDIT[/b]: Tried Half-Life 2, it works as perfectly as usual. So it's not an engine issue, it's really just Garry's Mod. And also, to Piett: [QUOTE=Piett;29251612]The Combine soldiers did not have that bright phongy film on them in HL2.[/QUOTE]You're forgetting that the engine was updated. Combine soldiers have phong now.

[QUOTE=Mythos;29266308]You know, I'd like to think I'm not stupid enough to forget to check that out, but, alas, I really am that stupid. Sorry, Garry; let me just check it out, and I'll edit this post with the answer. [B]EDIT[/B]: Tried Half-Life 2, it works as perfectly as usual. So it's not an engine issue, it's really just Garry's Mod. And also, to Piett: You're forgetting that the engine was updated. Combine soldiers have phong now.[/QUOTE] It's safe to say a lot of people have this problem - it's easy to see if you own portal - open any map in gmod (though the map where the phong problems are most visible is _a_testcmbr10 - especially on portal cubes and chell's hair) and spawn a prop with phong materials. The phong materials instantly turn white on the sides if an observation area (the places behind glass with monitors and chairs inside) is close by, and has a distinct red hue if movable panels are nearby (for example the elevators).

Phong has also been messing up for me as well.

i have the same problem

I am having the same issue and it is getting quite annoying. I even deleted and reinstalled my gmod and still no fix. I am so confuzzled.... I am using NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M and Intel HD Graphics. Very good quality stuff for what I need. Able to run all other source games super smoothely at the highest settings possible. Shouldn't be a graphics card issue.

Just helping to confirm that this does happen in DOD too. I hope people are reporting this on the Steam forums too. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue1.jpg[/img] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue2.jpg[/img] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue3.jpg[/img]

I don't see the issue as prominent in that game. We are talking about the fact that some of the ragdolls/npcs are litterally cell shaded or black... However, I do recognize that you too have an issue so hopefully we can all work towards finding a solution.

[QUOTE=oogaboogaman;29288963]Just helping to confirm that this does happen in DOD too. I hope people are reporting this on the Steam forums too.[/QUOTE]It's far from being the exact same issue, though. As Stormexdante pointed out, you're not getting black shadows all over your models. I might have found out the actual cause of this in GMod, though. I theorized it might be phong, but it might actually not be that. I'm going to try and do my best to explain this, but I'm only a moderately-skilled skinner, so I don't really know the lingo. You know how, if you make a custom model with the head of Alyx, Kleiner or Eli, it'll look weird? It's because the VTF file has "Clamp S" and "Clamp T" checked. I think this issue is being caused by the same reason, and not phong. I say this because, a few years ago, I had the same issue with a custom model that I'd reskinned, and I edited the .vtf to remove those two "clamps" and that fixed it. I just tested the same model, and Alyx's face looked okay, unlike regular Alyx.

[QUOTE=Mythos;29266308] [b]EDIT[/b]: Tried Half-Life 2, it works as perfectly as usual. So it's not an engine issue, it's really just Garry's Mod.[/QUOTE] Half Life 2 didn't get updated when TF2 and the like did. As such it won't show the problem.

No change, 2nd update since L4D change, though I thought I mentioned this already in graphics problems. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1080150-graphics-problem?p=29275967#post29275967[/url] regarding the black on the faces, even in GM_Construct the same thing happens. I just don't get how L4D faces are not affected, but HL2 are in the same light. Oh well, just won't be able to play for a while, hope the next update fixes it.

[QUOTE=oogaboogaman;29288963]Just helping to confirm that this does happen in DOD too. I hope people are reporting this on the Steam forums too. [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue1.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue2.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16145629/phongissue3.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Strange, Episode 2 has no problems with Phong.

[QUOTE=npx190;29300092]I thought I mentioned this already in graphics problems: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1080150-graphics-problem?p=29275967#post29275967[/url][/quote]This thread is four days old; your post is one day old. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it first. [quote]regarding the black on the faces, even in GM_Construct the same thing happens. I just don't get how L4D faces are not affected, but HL2 are in the same light.[/QUOTE]Actually, some of us [i]are[/i] getting L4D characters with the same issue, and, in my case, it's not just the faces. You might have a different issue altogether.

Mythos, I am not just getting it on the faces either. It is on all over certain models' bodies. It is l4d and even some of my addons. However, Garry has acknowledged this issue and is looking into it. It may not be just Gmod being affected. It could be a problem with source engine. Check his website [url]http://garrysmod.com/[/url] Look in the 119 Post Mortem Article. --------- I guess we will just have to wait.

Its grateful Garry can acknowledge this, where as I have never seen Valve come say something or assist, I mean not like their going to be reading this site all the time, but it is just considering how lately Freeman's Mind Ross Scott even reported on how Valve had tweaked it so much the last HL2 Civil Protection episode: The Tunnel got delayed, they can not even answer for that. Its bad enough with the changes ever since 2010, for example using WorldTwoTextureBlend on a non-displacement surface (material: nature/blendrockgravel002a). Support for this will go away soon. When you add how many times they stop support multiple stuff that a mod once had, unless people are still around, it is incompatible, as Source will crash when something is running that is no longer supported. It would be nice if we the consumer could object to those changes, especially since the OB update, I had various mods that have gone astray. The 2nd update with L4D content mounted not even a week long after is what I did not understand, as the face issue was still there, others still have had graphical errors, while four days ago included the clothes being black, by the time I got it, the clothes were already okay, but the faces are still bad. I don't get how the body got fixed between those four days, but the faces did not. Maybe it actually didn't, and is just a similar graphical problem and not quite. Its just considering the graphical thing effected others not the same way, it is extra frustrating with the engine thing, especially when the next Mythos Comic is delayed from publishing, after all we all love GM right?

[QUOTE=Stormexdante;29304794] I guess we will just have to wait.[/QUOTE] Since it's a Valve issue, were gonna have to wait on their time. I'm not sure if even Valve has taken notice of this bug.