DarkRP/RP in general needs to die, contradicts what Garry's Mod is about. - Garry's Mod

If you disagree, don't just start flaming or you're just reinforcing my point. Feel free to refute any of these points with logic and you might get somewhere. I'll get right to the point, DarkRP is a cancer and needs to die. If you haven't seen it yet, open the server browser and filter by player count: the next 800 servers will probably be DarkRP or some other variation. If you think that this isn't a problem, then think for a minute, read, and use your brain instead of mindlessly spewing whatever shit that you get force-fed or start posting with "HOLY SHIT SHUT UP LET PLAYERS DECIDE WHAT GAMEMODES STAY". "Garry's Mod is a physics sandbox. Unlike regular games there aren't any predefined aims or goals. We give you the tools and leave you to play." This is what appears on the Steam Store page. At its core, it's a sandbox game and you can do whatever and make whatever. Yet DarkRP and anything similar somehow manages to take this and completely warp it. For example, we get the tools and leave to play? Okay, RP gamemodes say fuck that and lets limit everything you can do. Anything you can do in Sandbox with weld and props? Nope, take it away and you need rights in an 'RP' setting. Want to make a robot wars and shoot each other? Nope, fuck welding and duplication and you're banned for "Prop Spam". Want to make bases and play capture the flag? No, you're 'Prop Blocking' and taking away from the everyone's so called 'immersion'. Want originality and cool addons to play with ingame? Nope, if you try use any addons they put in, enjoy getting arrested and using the same 15 addons everywhere with "DIFFERENT/ORIGINAL" in the server title. Want decent players to play with? Sorry, everyone is twelve because they get catered to and everyone can buy admin. All of these great things that Sandbox did, is completely wrecked because people want to RP. Now you're probably saying "Well if you don't like it then don't play and play Sandbox/something else in Garry's Mod". Well that's pretty damn hard when it ends up in a cycle. They take players from a variety of good gamemodes that needs a chance; just take a look to the server list. Find anything decent in the Gamemodes subforum and then watch as they die because there isn't a large enough player base to keep them going, all because they're too busy playing the same shit. Hell, even all so called grief problems in Sandbox that happen can be fixed so easily with lua. If there's prop spam, add a small delay or log prop creation in the console. Or add building rights. There's no excuse for playing a gamemode that actually TAKES AWAY from the base game, it's dumb. There isn't even any novelty to RP either, no originality or anything worthwhile that can be salvaged. Should have probably changed the title to something like DarkRP/RP needs a break

RP in general isn't bad, just the playerbase is.

It's your own choice to join a server or not and players have been given the ability to create and host servers using gamemodes. You're not forced to do anything and the players on DarkRP are there by choice.

Yeah.. Roleplay doesn't contradict Garry's Mod at all... Even if you don't like roleplay, it doesn't contradict GMod.

Have you guys even bothered reading the OP? It doesn't really mean KILL RP IT'S SHIT, it just means that other gamemodes that might be better than darkrp (or RP in general) or not with 0 PLAYERS - 1 SERVER (or more servers) aren't really given a spotlight at all. Plus we know people bitch about darkrp being generally bad (because playerbase or the gamemode itself) but having to see 800, 900, 1000, 1500, 2000 players on one gamemode while the rest are just sitting duck gives me this really depressing feeling that it just wont cut off, even with this new server listing, it just doesn't really help at all. It just worsens it. Plus we all know that having the same "shit" will bore us one day, and if we had one gamemode to choose while the rest are removed (doubting this will happen, but you get the idea), what will people pick? DarkRP? TTT? Who knows...

[QUOTE=Knoxed;38464589]RP in general isn't bad[/QUOTE] darkrp is really poorly made and caters to idiots, how isn't it bad?

Any gamemode will limit what a player can do. You can't spawn props in zombie survival without getting a junk pack.

[QUOTE=skullorz;38464752]Any gamemode will limit what a player can do. You can't spawn props in zombie survival without getting a junk pack.[/QUOTE] However, you can buy the junk pack on the shop, and you can get points to buy that by either saving up like a wise player or just do like every player do, waste everything without logically thinking on WHAT TO DO. edit: and you don't get arrested/banned for trying to use it :smile:

who are you to even say what garry's mod is actually about. dude you may not like it but that's the way it goes. wanna change it? go do shit.

So don't play on RP servers.

I agree that DarkRP needs to be less popular, but there's no way you can get rid of it. Too many people are already playing it. There does need to be more variety in the Garry's Mod community, but it just can't be done unless people start opening their minds a little. However, this is the internet, so no one will open their minds to anything...

[QUOTE=deaded38;38465128]I agree that DarkRP needs to be less popular, but there's no way you can get rid of it. Too many people are already playing it. There does need to be more variety in the Garry's Mod community, but it just can't be done unless people start opening their minds a little. However, this is the internet, so no one will open their minds to anything...[/QUOTE] or more like people don't actually have to think like you do because.. here it comes. [B]you're not always right.[/B] let people play whatever they want for whatever reason they want. your shit isn't less ridiculous than their shit, it's all glorified procrastination.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;38465328]or more like people don't actually have to think like you do because.. here it comes. [B]you're not always right.[/B] let people play whatever they want for whatever reason they want. your shit isn't less ridiculous than their shit, it's all glorified procrastination.[/QUOTE] No shit I'm not always right. I understand people have preferences, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is there is no variety in GMod because of DarkRP. Nobody plays your gamemode you worked hard to create partially because of DarkRP. Does that not upset you whatsoever?

[QUOTE=deaded38;38465981]No shit I'm not always right. I understand people have preferences, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is there is no variety in GMod because of DarkRP. Nobody plays your gamemode you worked hard to create partially because of DarkRP. Does that not upset you whatsoever?[/QUOTE] no. nobody watched the movie you spent years creating. nobody played the game you spent millions creating. nobody rated the video you took so much time creating. dude, life is like that. and if you're actually going to blame the playerbase instead of recognizing that it's not up to them to decide what they like or what they don't, you're gonna live a sad little life. if nobody likes it, but the effort you placed on it is easy to tell, it means you did something wrong, back to the drawing board, and go change the way YOU do things. or, give up.

I'm going to take a gander that the primary reason you see so many RP servers (that aren't started by people that just think that they can run an RP server better than the one they currently play at) is because if I was a server host, I'd be looking to host a gamemode that will ensure my server survives as long as possible. I personally get bored of deathmatch gamemodes after a few hours and never return to it once I'm bored, so if I was to open up a server I wouldn't want to host one of those deathmatch gamemodes as it would be a poor investment. Now your average server host doesn't have the skills to create his own gamemode, so what does he do? He downloads one of the gamemodes that are available for use which at the moment consists of various RP scripts, various Deathmatch scripts, and TTT. Both RP and TTT have that unpredictability and lack of repetition that makes them have a longer shelf life, so you choose one of those. The majority of gamemodes that aren't TTT, RP, or deathmatch related are either private or quite selectively distributed. So unless you can convince the creators of said gamemodes to release them publicly (which most would rather not and I personally think that's for the best), you can expect to continue seeing a flooded gamemode list of RPs and TTT. Like it or not both TTT and RP are successful, making them the optimum choice of gamemodes for server owners who don't have any Lua knowledge.

[QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534]If you disagree, don't just start flaming or you're just reinforcing my point. Feel free to refute any of these points with logic and you might get somewhere. I'll get right to the point, DarkRP is a cancer and needs to die. If you haven't seen it yet, open the server browser and filter by player count: the next 800 servers will probably be DarkRP or some other variation. If you think that this isn't a problem, then think for a minute, read, and use your brain instead of mindlessly spewing whatever shit that you get force-fed or start posting with "HOLY SHIT SHUT UP LET PLAYERS DECIDE WHAT GAMEMODES STAY". "Garry's Mod is a physics sandbox. Unlike regular games there aren't any predefined aims or goals. We give you the tools and leave you to play." This is what appears on the Steam Store page. At its core, it's a sandbox game and you can do whatever and make whatever. Yet DarkRP and anything similar somehow manages to take this and completely warp it. For example, we get the tools and leave to play? Okay, RP gamemodes say fuck that and lets limit everything you can do. Anything you can do in Sandbox with weld and props? Nope, take it away and you need rights in an 'RP' setting. Want to make a robot wars and shoot each other? Nope, fuck welding and duplication and you're banned for "Prop Spam". Want to make bases and play capture the flag? No, you're 'Prop Blocking' and taking away from the everyone's so called 'immersion'. Want originality and cool addons to play with ingame? Nope, if you try use any addons they put in, enjoy getting arrested and using the same 15 addons everywhere with "DIFFERENT/ORIGINAL" in the server title. Want decent players to play with? Sorry, everyone is twelve because they get catered to and everyone can buy admin. All of these great things that Sandbox did, is completely wrecked because people want to RP. Now you're probably saying "Well if you don't like it then don't play and play Sandbox/something else in Garry's Mod". Well that's pretty damn hard when it ends up in a cycle. They take players from a variety of good gamemodes that needs a chance; just take a look to the server list. Find anything decent in the Gamemodes subforum and then watch as they die because there isn't a large enough player base to keep them going, all because they're too busy playing the same shit. Hell, even all so called grief problems in Sandbox that happen can be fixed so easily with lua. If there's prop spam, add a small delay or log prop creation in the console. Or add building rights. There's no excuse for playing a gamemode that actually TAKES AWAY from the base game, it's dumb. There isn't even any novelty to RP either, no originality or anything worthwhile that can be salvaged. Should have probably changed the title to something like DarkRP/RP needs a break[/QUOTE] Garry's Mod is not just a "Physics sandbox". It is whatever gamemode it is running such as rp or sandbox or even ttt

spotlight gamemodes like we spotlight subforums ok

Just be glad most of the twelve year olds/idiots/trolls are confined within the walls of RP.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;38466511]no. nobody watched the movie you spent years creating. nobody played the game you spent millions creating. nobody rated the video you took so much time creating. dude, life is like that. and if you're actually going to blame the playerbase instead of recognizing that it's not up to them to decide what they like or what they don't, you're gonna live a sad little life. if nobody likes it, but the effort you placed on it is easy to tell, it means you did something wrong, back to the drawing board, and go change the way YOU do things. or, give up.[/QUOTE] You seriously don't get it, do you? People can like DarkRP and I have no problem with that. It's the fact that it's a lot of the reason we don't have any unique gamemodes being played. I like DarkRP sometimes, but I also like to play other things with people. Unfortunately, I can't do that because of DarkRP. And to be honest, I know you're upset about people not playing Tiramisu. It's human nature to be upset if something you put a lot of work into is being forgotten. That is, unless you didn't put any work into it.

[QUOTE=deaded38;38467048]You seriously don't get it, do you? People can like DarkRP and I have no problem with that. It's the fact that it's a lot of the reason we don't have any unique gamemodes being played. I like DarkRP sometimes, but I also like to play other things with people. Unfortunately, I can't do that because of DarkRP. And to be honest, I know you're upset about people not playing Tiramisu. It's human nature to be upset if something you put a lot of work into is being forgotten. That is, unless you didn't put any work into it.[/QUOTE] lol wow HE'S ARGUING WITH ME BECAUSE [B]AS FAR AS I KNOW[/B] NO ONE IS PLAYING HIS GAMEMODE and if we dont have any unique gamemodes being played then i guess darkrp is the only gamemode on gmod i think what's really going on is that there's not too many new gamemodes to play

[QUOTE=deaded38;38467048]You seriously don't get it, do you? People can like DarkRP and I have no problem with that. It's the fact that it's a lot of the reason we don't have any unique gamemodes being played. I like DarkRP sometimes, but I also like to play other things with people. Unfortunately, I can't do that because of DarkRP. And to be honest, I know you're upset about people not playing Tiramisu. It's human nature to be upset if something you put a lot of work into is being forgotten. That is, unless you didn't put any work into it.[/QUOTE] what he said has nothing at all to do with tiramisu.. stop pulling shit out your ass to make people angry. darkrp has nothing to do with stopping gamemode variety if anything it'd make people want to make better variants of it, and it has. darkrp is darkrp people play it because they like it. You can call COD bad all you want but it's still a great game because a huge amount of people play it and they damn sure don't play it because it isn't fun. OP, As for saying rp should be removed from gmod... you yourself said it's a sandbox. it has lua capabilities so it can go past just sandbox.. gmod isn't just about building and consturcting on the physical sandbox level but also with lua and the environment provided. people surf on counter strike that doesn't mean it should be removed because that's not what the game is made for. So basically you're being a selfish little bitch and trying to remove things that you don't like only for that reason. if you all are so sick of darkrp then why don't you get your lazy asses together and release a better rp gamemode to phase it out, but mainly so i can rate it dumb.

[QUOTE=LauScript;38467708]what he said has nothing at all to do with tiramisu.. stop pulling shit out your ass to make people angry. darkrp has nothing to do with stopping gamemode variety if anything it'd make people want to make better variants of it, and it has. darkrp is darkrp people play it because they like it. You can call COD bad all you want but it's still a great game because a huge amount of people play it and they damn sure don't play it because it isn't fun. OP, As for saying rp should be removed from gmod... you yourself said it's a sandbox. it has lua capabilities so it can go past just sandbox.. gmod isn't just about building and consturcting on the physical sandbox level but also with lua and the environment provided. people surf on counter strike that doesn't mean it should be removed because that's not what the game is made for. So basically you're being a selfish little bitch and trying to remove things that you don't like only for that reason. if you all are so sick of darkrp then why don't you get your lazy asses together and release a better rp gamemode to phase it out, but mainly so i can rate it dumb.[/QUOTE] You deserve the world's biggest cookie.

Is this even the right section to cry about how you don't like Roleplay?

[QUOTE=deaded38;38467048]You seriously don't get it, do you? People can like DarkRP and I have no problem with that. It's the fact that it's a lot of the reason we don't have any unique gamemodes being played. I like DarkRP sometimes, but I also like to play other things with people. Unfortunately, I can't do that because of DarkRP. And to be honest, I know you're upset about people not playing Tiramisu. It's human nature to be upset if something you put a lot of work into is being forgotten. That is, unless you didn't put any work into it.[/QUOTE] what the fuck has tiramisu to do with anything. but hey since you raised the issue, i'm gonna reply to it, it's actually quite simple. i'm not putting a gun to your head, saying 'enjoy tiramisu'. you either like it, you either play it, or you don't. i didn't actually release it thinking 'OH FUCK I'M GONNA BE SO POPULAR AND MAKE SO MUCH MONEY'. i released it for free, because i like doing what i do, and so do some people, so hey, let them feed their hobby through my hobby. but god fucking damn it's a hobby not a job. you shouldn't get so worked up about it, there's seriously nothing to redeem from it. if the game sucks now, there's nothing you can do since it's the people. if you can't get a crowd, then you're targeting the wrong demographic, the wrong audience, or you (YES YOU) are doing something wrong, not the people. if shit actually worked in the way that people gotta adapt to people's shit instead of shit adapting to people, M Night Shyamalan movie's wouldn't flop one right after the other, Uwe Boll would be the only man getting academy awards nowadays, and the world would be fucking ~magical~ but it isn't. so, rethink on the way you do things, instead of perpetually blaming who doesn't deserve to be blamed. in fact, shut up about the blame and fucking do something. i did, i decided to quit.

[QUOTE=Peach;38468460]Is this even the right section to cry about how you don't like Roleplay?[/QUOTE] Sexualized Peach raises a good point

[QUOTE=twoski;38468815]Sexualized Peach raises a good point[/QUOTE] do we have a whine about rp section.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;38469137]do we have a whine about rp section.[/QUOTE] Well it should stay on gamemodes because we're discussing about DarkRP or RP (gmod) in general or both. Unless said otherwise (ps. not you people).

anyone else notice deaded38 keeps coming into any thread about rp and throwing out biased I HATE RP U SHUD TOO opinions wait what am i saying of course you did

The "tools" also include the ability to create your own game-mode. It's more about the creativity of the server owner (or whoever made the game-mode) than the individual player. Even then, it still "leave(s) you to play" because you have the choice of what server to join. DarkRP, as frustrating as it can be at times, still follows this idea because the creators were given the tools (lua) and were able to create a game-mode you can play.

The point of a sandbox game and Garry's Mod in general is the support of the modding community. Just because you don't have as many players as you'd like in your favorite Sandbox server, you've got no right to force them on there. I've seen plenty of creativity on DarkRP servers and the like. It's a different experience and I'd say regardless of mic wielding prepubescents; it's still pretty fun. So yes, there really is no excuse to shut down DarkRP apart from the fact that you want to.