Karbine's Suspension tutorial (of death)

[Karbine]

yeah. I stopped being lazy and made one. I would have done a video, fraps was working fine, but then 2 min through it slammed my fps into the ground and it was undoable. So, you'll have to deal with pictures and text.
[b]QQ.[/b]

Basic 4 wheel independent suspension & steering:

It's very outdated compared to newer techniques, but it works, it's simple, reliable, and dupe friendly (the methods I use now use lots of adv ballsockets that require it to be pasted facing a certain direction, pain in the ass.)

Here we go (pay attention to the details on the right of the screens that are the Q menu. it is important.)
It'll go like this; picture first and then explanation of what we're doing under it.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20006.jpg[/IMG]

Here's all the props we'll need.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20007.jpg[/IMG]

Start by weighting the "master" and its baseplate. These props will serve in guiding the front spindles (what the wheels and suspension are attached to). Weight them to 150.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20008.jpg[/IMG]

Then we'll weight the frame. Make it 500.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20009.jpg[/IMG]

Don't weight these yet; instead, take your axis tool, and use smartsnap to get the center and click.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20010.jpg[/IMG]

Then attach it to your frame. Repeat this for all 4 spindles.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20011.jpg[/IMG]

It should look like this. Next we're going to stacker the spindles to their correct distance from the frame.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20012.jpg[/IMG]

25 units seems good. Just remember when making a suspension, the spindles are going to get closer to the frame as your suspension expands. Keep this in mind when building a body on a chassis.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20013.jpg[/IMG]

Repeat for all spindles.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20015.jpg[/IMG]

After you've done that, weight all of the spindles to 100.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20017.jpg[/IMG]

Now we're going to make the A arms (wishbones). Find the center of the top of the spindle with smartsnap. Apply a rope (rigid) from this point to:
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20018.jpg[/IMG]

There. Now repeat this for all of the spindles, tops and bottoms of the spindles.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20019.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20020.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20021.jpg[/IMG]

A arms complete. These will guide the suspension.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20022.jpg[/IMG]

Now we're going to align the [b]rear[/b] spindles with the frame with an advanced ballsocket. Set everything to 0 as the screenshot depicts and check both checkboxes.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20023.jpg[/IMG]

Click from the spindle to the frame for [b]only[/b] the [b]rear[/b] spindles.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20024.jpg[/IMG]

Next we're going to place the master's baseplate. This is where the steering elastics and limiting ropes will be attached to. Use easyweld and click the center, and then:
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20025.jpg[/IMG]

the center of the frame.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20026.jpg[/IMG]

Next, axis the top middle of the master to the center of the master's base.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20027.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20028.jpg[/IMG]

Now we're going to set the ropes to limit the steering. Grab it with your physgun and rotate it 45 degrees to the right.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20029.jpg[/IMG]

Apply a rope ([b]NOT RIGID[/b]) from the master's edge to a point on the base, as these pictures show:
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20031.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20032.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20033.jpg[/IMG]
Repeat for the other side.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20035.jpg[/IMG]

Steering elastics time. Apply an elastic of 20,000 constant and 600 for both damping from the edge of the master to the center right edge of the base.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20036.jpg[/IMG]

Repeat on the other side to create a triangle.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20037.jpg[/IMG]

Now repeat on the left side what you did on the right side. apply thrusters for steering the master with 800 thrust on each side as shown above.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20038.jpg[/IMG]

Now, as we aligned the rear spindles to the frame, we're going to do the same to the front, except we're going to sync them to the master. Click a front spindle and then the master. Then do the other front spindle.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20040.jpg[/IMG]

At this point, save your current work, because we will be unfreezing it.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20043.jpg[/IMG]

Drop it all to the ground, shift + E the frame, and raise it up to form the extension limit. After this, freeze the master first and then all of the spindles. this is important.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20046.jpg[/IMG]

Now apply a non rigid rope from the base of the spindle
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20047.jpg[/IMG]

to the top of the frame. This will ensure that the suspension does not overextend and screw it all up. Repeat for all 4 spindles.
[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20052.jpg[/IMG]

Apply wheels. The master's elastic and weight settings are enough to where you can use wheel power and torque steer shouldn't be an issue. (Torque steer is when the power of the front wheels turns the wheels. massively annoying.)

For the final bit, the same way you applied the limiting ropes, apply an elastic to each spindle with the settings of 130,000 constant and 1,500 for both damping. Save, unfreeze, and now you're done!

[IMG]http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac109/XanderKarbine/suspensiontutorial/gm_vehicleconstruct_v20053.jpg[/IMG]

Some tips:
If your vehicle doesn't turn very well and understeers a great deal (meaning the front wheels lose traction durin

[Ferosso]

This is very useful. You should post a video that demonstrates it though.

[Penis Colada]

gj

[yakui]

stiff road suspension plz

[Karbine]

just scale it down and use high shock towers

[Moreto]

Huh, never thought to do that with the steering, I've been generally using Zeos's meathod.

[Karbine]

zeos' method is overcomplicated and less efficient tbh

[2pac2furious]

huge suspension is huge

[snapleaple]

Dude when you showed me this on the server you told me to use elastic for the wishbone. Damn you Karbine! Damn you! :fistshake:

[Karbine]

..no i didn't
that wouldn't make sense

[editline]09:32AM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;16917019]huge suspension is huge[/QUOTE]
i'm sure if people have half a brain they can scale this concept in any way they desire

[Moreto]

[QUOTE=Karbine;16915634]zeos' method is overcomplicated and less efficient tbh[/QUOTE]

I just tried your method here, it turns to the left a bit for me oddly enough but the way you control it is defiantly superior to the way zeos does it, although your suspension is quite a bit more rigid then his.

[Karbine]

[QUOTE=Moreto;16917990]I just tried your method here, it turns to the left a bit for me oddly enough but the way you control it is defiantly superior to the way zeos does it, although your suspension is quite a bit more rigid then his.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I meant by torque steer. The trick is to use half the torque of your rear wheels on your front wheels. I believe my setup had 7,000 for each wheel. Just increase the elastic strength on the steering master and increase thruster power accordingly.

[GunskiMod]

For the steering limiter you can just have one ball socket to the plate that holds the wheels.

[Karbine]

[QUOTE=GunskiMod;16918062]For the steering limiter you can just have one ball socket to the plate that holds the wheels.[/QUOTE]
if you mean adv ballsocket, yes, however that requires it being pasted in a certain direction. All of my newer stuff does that, I have just a simple wheel for the steering master.

[Failure]

Fuck, finally made a working suspension, thanks Karbine.

[Karbine]

[QUOTE=Failure;16918664]Fuck, finally made a working suspension, thanks Karbine.[/QUOTE]
:)

[Gibbo]

[QUOTE=Karbine;16919417]:)[/QUOTE]

<|:3

[Tableman]

how the hell has everyone else made suspensions??

Anyway, this is good. you get a tool, but not for being a tool, but for being useful.
Good tut

[Skinnyboii]

Nice short tutorial. Have a useful.

[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;16917019]huge suspension is huge[/QUOTE]

It can be scaled down easily. I once made a small ATV using this type of suspension.

[2pac2furious]

[QUOTE=Skinnyboi;16922419]Nice short tutorial. Have a useful.
It can be scaled down easily. I once made a small ATV using this type of suspension.[/QUOTE]

who the fuck are you

clocked

[Skinnyboii]

Sorry, I'm new here.

[Moreto]

[QUOTE=Karbine;16918056]Yeah, that's what I meant by torque steer. The trick is to use half the torque of your rear wheels on your front wheels. I believe my setup had 7,000 for each wheel. Just increase the elastic strength on the steering master and increase thruster power accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, going to have to try that, but your steering method defiantly feels better then Zeos. Thanks for the tutorial.

[Satyria]

This is a very good contribution to those less informed about this kinda thing. Friendly'd.

[G-Foxx]

LoL my first suspension was a monster truck with plates slidered to the body with 1 elastic and 1 rope
It steered with weld latches, I still do that when I'm lazy
Oh ya it also had hydraulics later to push off the ground and jump over houses and sheet (idea from batman begins tumbler)
Too bad you didn't do that first, karbine =O
[you should]

[Debmaster]

*snip*

[b]Edit:[/b]

Nevermind. I had my ropes set to -88888888 on add length to make phx bombs explode when you duplicate them. God I feel so :downs: right now.

[woodchuck34]

hahahahahha
i use that trick all the time in random servers hi five

[DevonALT]

[QUOTE=woodchuck34;16935541]hahahahahha
i use that trick all the time in random servers hi five[/QUOTE]

I taught you that fayget

[woodchuck34]

[QUOTE=DevonALT;16937243]I taught you that fayget[/QUOTE]

i know u bitch.

~CrEdS to DeVoNNN~~~!

btw karbine ice tut

[DevonALT]

[QUOTE=woodchuck34;16937822]i know u bitch.

~CrEdS to DeVoNNN~~~!

[/QUOTE]

FUCK YES

sup

[Kai]

Hot damn this is creepy. This is the EXACT same method I've been using for years, except I use hydraulics for steering rather than the thruster & elastic & rope combo.

[editline]05:13AM[/editline]

Nice to know that I've been doing it the right way... :v: