why are tables bad?

[Lavatory <33]

I read recently people that think tables bad, and CSS like more. Is there a reason why tables should abandoned be? I think tables easier, and CSS more complicated than needed. So, why?

[orsenfelt]

[url]http://phrogz.net/css/WhyTablesAreBadForLayout.html[/url]

[nivek]

Tables are for data.
Divs are for styles and content.
CSS is not over necessary, Every amazing site you see wouldn't be so good looking if it weren't using CSS.

[Highwind]

Tables were made for tabular data, like spreadsheets and not for laying out content.

[wutanggrenad]

Once you figure out how divs work and how to make them work for you, you'll never use tables for layout again

[butre]

No everyone here is retarded.

Divs are meant to put the data where you want it to go. Tables are meant to organize it in an easy to read and presentable matter.

If you can use tables properly, they're just as powerful as divs.

[-[ Fizzadar ]-]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;19597687]
If you can use tables properly, they're just as powerful as divs.[/QUOTE]

Definitely, but not for layout.

[blackdenton]

Tables are a container, you can put whatever you want in them. Sites that use them generally look much shittier than those that don't, but if it's easier for you go ahead.

[a2h]

[QUOTE=blackdenton;19598376][B]Tables are a container[/B], you can put whatever you want in them. Sites that use them generally look much shittier than those that don't, but if it's easier for you go ahead.[/QUOTE]

So are things like <div> :downs:

[compwhiziitothe]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;19597687][b]No everyone here is retarded.[/b]

Divs are meant to put the data where you want it to go. Tables are meant to organize it in an easy to read and presentable matter.

If you can use tables properly, they're just as powerful as divs.[/QUOTE]

[b]No.[/b]

[andersonmat]

[QUOTE=compwhiziitothemax;19599018][b]No.[/b][/QUOTE]

I admit, I am retarded.

Just kidding. :downs:

[wutanggrenad]

Divs are easier to position, like I said once you get the hang of them, its easy.

You'll struggle at first, but wish you had used them sooner in the end

[andersonmat]

[QUOTE=wutanggrenad;19600849]... You'll struggle at first ...[/QUOTE]

Only retarded people would struggle to understand HTML.

[editline]09:22PM[/editline]

I wasn't implying that you lack intelligence.

Or was I? :raise:

[flair]

[QUOTE=andersonmat;19600901]Only retarded people would struggle to understand HTML.[/QUOTE]

what a very immature and ignorant statement. how old are you, 12?

[andersonmat]

[QUOTE=flair;19601674]what a very immature and ignorant statement. how old are you, 12?[/QUOTE]

I'm actually 18. Nice try though. It's a very easy to understand mark up language.

[Deez_Nutz]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;19597687]No everyone here is retarded.[/QUOTE]

I am.. shit. I came in here expecting tables, like the ones you may be sitting at right now.

[img]http://www.mirwaldtenterprises.ca/imgs/sofa_table_L.jpg[/img]

then I saw CSS and thought Counter Strike: Source, so..

[Maccabee]

[QUOTE=Orsenfelt;19583130][url]http://phrogz.net/css/WhyTablesAreBadForLayout.html[/url][/QUOTE]

quoted for the truth.
Also, tables are just outdated. There are some things that you just don't do. Using tables in modern design is one of them.

[wutanggrenad]

I meant struggle how to get the divs where you want, like position's, float, etc.

I didn't mean struggle literally like can't figure it out, too difficult

[nivek]

[QUOTE=Maccabee;19601965]
Also, tables are just outdated. There are some things that you just don't do. Using tables in modern design is one of them.[/QUOTE]

Tables aren't [I]outdated[/I]
They were always meant to display data in a, table.
Using tables in [B]any[/B] design is something you just don't do.
Everyone has to start somewhere, But learning to use div's is very necessary.

[a2h]

[QUOTE=wutanggrenad;19602551]I meant struggle how to get the divs where you want, like position's, float, etc.

I didn't mean struggle literally like can't figure it out, too difficult[/QUOTE]

With an attitude like that you're never going to learn how to use divs then

[wutanggrenad]

-snip-

I know my divs, trust me

[Darkimmortal]

The only time I ever use tables besides for tabular data is to vertically center things. Sure that can be done in CSS, but it requires hacks and/or fixed heights.

I believe it's also possible with display: table-cell etc, but why not just use standard table markup?

[-[ Fizzadar ]-]

[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;19630912]The only time I ever use tables besides for tabular data is to vertically center things. Sure that can be done in CSS, but it requires hacks and/or fixed heights.[/QUOTE]

Or javascript, but that's as shit as tables for layout.

[meefy]

I'd sooner go back to Iframes then use tables.