First of all, We'll pay you. We can discuss the price upon the beginning of the project.
This may not be a typical site that you would create for someone, and you may think it is stupid, but it is for a passion of mine, and a few friends on FP. Basically in a nutshell it is a website for a comic series.
Here's what we want for the website:
- First of all we want a main section with 3 categories, like so. [URL]http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=potentiallayout12.jpg[/URL] only difference being Instinct is now Universal Union.
- in addition to that page we would like a drop down menu with the following areas [URL]http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=dropdownmenuconcept2.jpg[/URL]
- Each comic page would look something like this [URL]http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=personalcomicspacelayout2.jpg[/URL] as on a section on said page for Characters, Locations, etc.
- And each comic panel would be on a page like so. [URL]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Selectinganepisodepage2.jpg[/URL]
If you have any ideas for improvements or changes, let me know. There is bound to be slight/minor changes. We don't know much about websites.
We're not too sure about the colorscheme of the site yet.
So, if you're interested in helping us, We'd very much like to see some of your work.
There will most likely be more that you need to know but ask questions and I/we will do our best to answer them fully.
It's generally a good idea to mention your budget, you're much more likely to attract willing and capable developers within your price range.
I've never dealt with websits or developers before, we are willing to pay the appropriate amount for such a task. But what is an average price range for something like this?
i'll do it for a grand
I can do what you have asked in the post. Please PM me via these forums so we can discuss further more of what you want exactly and price.
I'd happily do it for £40-50; can only start work on it within one month though <:3.
he doesn't seem to be replying to PM's.
i apologize i haven't replied yet, its just there is 3 of us and communication is slow between us
I'm assuming you want something coded in to allow quick and easy uploading of comics?
Yes, exactly CrispexOps
[QUOTE=Kirth;33983440]I'd happily do it for £40-50; can only start work on it within one month though <:3.[/QUOTE]
How many hours do you expect to be working on this?
Now divide 50 pounds by that number. That's how much you'll be working for per hour.
If you factor in the time it will take to design, code, test, make alterations, etc. you'll probably be working for much less money per hour than you'd make at McDonalds.
[QUOTE=swift and shift;34006882]How many hours do you expect to be working on this?
Now divide 50 pounds by that number. That's how much you'll be working for per hour.
If you factor in the time it will take to design, code, test, make alterations, etc. you'll probably be working for much less money per hour than you'd make at McDonalds.[/QUOTE]
He might be working somewhere already and just doing a favor for a few extra bucks. Not everyone is in web development to make serious cash.
Had been fun to try :D
but as I just started webdesign, don't expect much.
Money for the job u say, no way, I'll do it as a part of my learning progress ;)
.. as I said some sentence ago, I am not a professional webdesigner, but I could, if you don't get a prof. to do this, make a small little site. Easy access like joomla or wordpress isn't within my wisdom yet :S
[QUOTE=swift and shift;34006882]How many hours do you expect to be working on this?
Now divide 50 pounds by that number. That's how much you'll be working for per hour.
If you factor in the time it will take to design, code, test, make alterations, etc. you'll probably be working for much less money per hour than you'd make at McDonalds.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming when someone goes to accept a deal like this, they aren't expecting to make much money. I mean, it's someone asking for this from a gaming forum. Someone who's like me, and enjoys coding on his own, would take this on. After all, you now have a reason to make something, and you're getting a few bucks to buy something for yourself as reward.
I can probably do this without flaw. PM me if you're still looking for people.
my offer to do it for a grand is still open
[QUOTE=swift and shift;34254761]my offer to do it for a grand is still open[/QUOTE]
If he's going to be ripped off, I'll rip him off for less.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34268114]If he's going to be ripped off, I'll rip him off for less.[/QUOTE]
If you think $1000 to design and develop a website from scratch is a rip off, you need to experience the real world a little bit more
[QUOTE=swift and shift;34269433]If you think $1000 to design and develop a website from scratch is a rip off, you need to experience the real world a little bit more[/QUOTE]
What he's requesting is relatively simple. If you think in terms of time, yeah it's a reasonable amount, but if the workload was actually difficult I could see.
If you want to talk about "real world" then yes, you will pay that price. Let's face it, web developers are severely overpaid. I personally can say I don't charge a lot to do websites because it comes easy to me. You can go on and on about the amount of work, validation, etc. that needs done, but all it is, is bullshit.
He's asking for a personal site that simply allows adding (presumably uploading), changing, deleting. All basic tasks that even the most novice developer can handle. The design, if you look at the pictures he posted, is easily done.
As for the special effects on the site, such as the hovering effects and whatnot, all easily done through jQuery and jQuery plugins. You can say, "A true developer would code it himself." But the fact is there are so many plugins that exist now, it'd be a waste of time to code your own, unless you do like most developers do and get paid per hour, which would mean you'd want to do whatever you could to bilk people out of more money.
Also, care to post some of your work? You seem to endlessly go on about what way you'd do things and why it's better, I'd just like to see some of your work.
Also, being a developer doesn't mean being anal about optimized code. I notice a lot of web developers consistently going on about web validation and whatnot. They'll be quick to critique a site over some unneeded code, yet if you look at their sites they're complete shit.
What I'd most likely look for to do such a task: $250 - $300.
What an overzealous web developer (normally freelancer) would expect: $1000+.
I'll do it for $4,000
[QUOTE=nivek;34270876]I'll do it for $4,000[/QUOTE]
I'll do it for $14,973.73. Exact change only.
$1,000 bucks isn't that much for web development, you hire someone for less, you can quite often get really half assed work, or just work from someone who either doesn't a fucking clue what the hell he is doing, or he is going to delegate the task to someone for even less money.
If you are going to go on saying: "lets see your work"; I have experience, and I get severly underpaid usually. Mainly because I'm a student and I don't have time to spend getting underpaid.
[I]PS: [URL="https://www.freelancer.com/users/1655945.html"]Experience.[/URL][/I]
I do good, validated work for a fraction of what it should actually cost. And the only reason I don't charge more, is because I couldn't design a pleasing site to save my life, ask me to code it however, I'll do great.
Other things I'd like to note, is that often times I get [B]SHIT[/B] employers who are delegating the task from another job to me (Someone who quite often is situated in India or Brazil), from another employer.
You find a designer, I'll code it for $999... I mean $500 :)
Side Note:
If this were a corporate client, this job would easily cost them $14,973.73. So Swift isn't bullshitting you.
[B]EDIT.[/B]
Ps post a budget.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34269667]What he's requesting is relatively simple. If you think in terms of time, yeah it's a reasonable amount, but if the workload was actually difficult I could see.
If you want to talk about "real world" then yes, you will pay that price. Let's face it, web developers are severely overpaid. I personally can say I don't charge a lot to do websites because it comes easy to me. You can go on and on about the amount of work, validation, etc. that needs done, but all it is, is bullshit.
He's asking for a personal site that simply allows adding (presumably uploading), changing, deleting. All basic tasks that even the most novice developer can handle. The design, if you look at the pictures he posted, is easily done.
As for the special effects on the site, such as the hovering effects and whatnot, all easily done through jQuery and jQuery plugins. You can say, "A true developer would code it himself." But the fact is there are so many plugins that exist now, it'd be a waste of time to code your own, unless you do like most developers do and get paid per hour, which would mean you'd want to do whatever you could to bilk people out of more money.
Also, care to post some of your work? You seem to endlessly go on about what way you'd do things and why it's better, I'd just like to see some of your work.
Also, being a developer doesn't mean being anal about optimized code. I notice a lot of web developers consistently going on about web validation and whatnot. They'll be quick to critique a site over some unneeded code, yet if you look at their sites they're complete shit.
What I'd most likely look for to do such a task: $250 - $300.
What an overzealous web developer (normally freelancer) would expect: $1000+.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have absolutely no idea what amount of work goes in to properly designing and developing a website. PS: Design means a lot more work than just doing comps in photoshop.
When you say overzealous, the word you should be using is professional.
You have a blatant lack of knowledge about the industry and how business works. Don't talk like you know your stuff unless you actually do, all that does is spread misinformation. I don't intend to sound harsh, and don't take this as a personal attack, but you're an amateur, plain and simple. There's nothing wrong with being a high school bedroom developer because it's a hobby but don't trick yourself in to thinking that experience applies to the industry as a whole at all. No one operating on a professional level and living in a western country would do anything of this scale for less than a grand.
[editline]18th January 2012[/editline]
I can almost guarantee you I spend more time on a project before I even open photoshop than you do by the time you're half way through developing it.
You don't know what I've done or haven't done, so don't call someone an amateur unless you have a decent amount of knowledge on the person. It's easy to assume I "spend my time making comps in Photoshop", but again you've got no clue. Second blatantly stupid assumption: Assuming someone is in high school. While most of this community is still in high school, I can say I am not.
"Of this scale" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's essentially a simple CMS. I could see if he requested graphics or some sort of advanced layout, but come on, it's a simple layout. I could see asking a bit more for higher end PHP (such as a user registration / management system), but generally this is pretty simple. You can disagree all you want, and elaborate on how "amateur" I may seem, but the fact is if you expect $1000 for something like this, you're out of your mind. Obviously the payment expectancy on this kind of work is majorly over-inflated.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34284069]You don't know what I've done or haven't done, so don't call someone an amateur unless you have a decent amount of knowledge on the person. It's easy to assume I "spend my time making comps in Photoshop", but again you've got no clue. Second blatantly stupid assumption: Assuming someone is in high school. While most of this community is still in high school, I can say I am not.
"Of this scale" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's essentially a simple CMS. I could see if he requested graphics or some sort of advanced layout, but come on, it's a simple layout. I could see asking a bit more for higher end PHP (such as a user registration / management system), but generally this is pretty simple. You can disagree all you want, and elaborate on how "amateur" I may seem, but the fact is if you expect $1000 for something like this, you're out of your mind. Obviously the payment expectancy on this kind of work is majorly over-inflated.[/QUOTE]
Not out of his mind. Probably cause I'm sure he himself has charged this amount of money or more for a site, for something similar.
Side note: I'm pretty sure that they would want user registration and a comment system.
[QUOTE=Topgamer7;34284767]
Side note: I'm pretty sure that they would want user registration and a comment system.[/QUOTE]
All of which can be accomplished with disqus or other free plugins.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34284069]You don't know what I've done or haven't done, so don't call someone an amateur unless you have a decent amount of knowledge on the person. It's easy to assume I "spend my time making comps in Photoshop", but again you've got no clue. Second blatantly stupid assumption: Assuming someone is in high school. While most of this community is still in high school, I can say I am not.
"Of this scale" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's essentially a simple CMS. I could see if he requested graphics or some sort of advanced layout, but come on, it's a simple layout. I could see asking a bit more for higher end PHP (such as a user registration / management system), but generally this is pretty simple. You can disagree all you want, and elaborate on how "amateur" I may seem, but the fact is if you expect $1000 for something like this, you're out of your mind. Obviously the payment expectancy on this kind of work is majorly over-inflated.[/QUOTE]
I say you're an amateur because if you think $1000 is a lot for this project you obviously either don't understand the amount of work that goes in to web design projects when they're done right, or you don't understand the business side of doing this kind of web work, which is a decent portion of the money as well. If you don't understand both of those things then you will never understand why and how things end up pricing out so high, and if you don't understand both of those sides of the coin then you're an amateur.
The high school comment was more a metaphor than anything else because those are the kinds of developers that understand the development side for the most part (although generally don't still follow an ideal development process a lot of the time) but don't understand the business side, and since you seem to understand the development side for the most part I am assuming the business side is where your knowledge hole is.
I still stand by everything I've said. I wouldn't be where I am professionally if I didn't know what I was talking about. Instead of being so adamant that your right it might do you a little good to open your ears a bit and listen to what you're being told. I'd be willing be bet that you're underselling yourself because you don't understand the business end.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;34284069]higher end PHP (such as a user registration / management system)[/QUOTE]
That's not higher-end anything, unless maybe if you're writing your whole application in windows .bat scripts.
Listen to KmartSqrl, if you think 1000$ is a lot of money in this industry, you'll either spend the rest of your life undervaluing yourself and getting severely underpaid, or will be in for a heck of a surprise when you see job specs with a 6/7 digit price tag.
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