Hi, Im a hobby web developer and i want to start doing something good with my websites now. I have went through and learnt HTML and CSS (well, i checked out w3 schools and learnt stuff when i was making hobby sites, and just decided that once i knew about ID's, classes, font sizes, styles weights and floats that was probably all that i need to know). Anyway now i've hit a point where i want to start doing something good with my scripting. What should i do from here on? Learn PHP, Javascript or another language?
I'd learn some basic Javascript to start off with. Start learning how to make snazzy visual like mouse over text, changing the stylesheet with the click of a button. Simple functions like that.
Maybe the other guys here will disagree with me.
You could also start learning to program functionality with PHP, such as pulling information typed into a form and spitting it out at an e-mail address.
Javascript, PHP and MySQL, it really depends what sounds more interesting to you.
PHP is the most fun. Go learn it.
[QUOTE=venn178;37163822]PHP is the most fun. Go learn it.[/QUOTE]
Ruby is much more fun and a lot easier to wrap your head around with it's simple syntax, plus you can apply why you learn to a lot more than just web development
PHP is the worst first programming language choice you can make, it really skewed my view and made it harder to get into other languages.
Gonna have to look at a new webspace hosting company :S my current one will only support PHP...
But yeh, i heard PHP is a pretty good language, especially since a lot of major websites are coded in it. But i think i might try ruby cause i feel it might be a newer language and could possible replace PHP soon
[QUOTE=HTMLfreak;37164466]But yeh, i heard PHP is a pretty good language, especially since a lot of major websites are coded in it.[/QUOTE]
Huge amount of people still use Internet Explorer and that doesn't make it a good browser.
Same goes for PHP.
I think you've a long way to go before you can say "Learnt HTML"
[url]http://htmlfreaksplayingground.allalla.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=douche beat;37164269]Ruby is much more fun and a lot easier to wrap your head around with it's simple syntax, plus you can apply why you learn to a lot more than just web development[/QUOTE]
I think a good comparison here would be PHP is Arma 2 and Ruby is Unreal Tournament.
Sure, Ruby is going to get you lots of frags and be a lot of fun, but it's empty fun. With PHP, it might take you an hour to get where you're going, and the payoff might not be as much, but-- oh fuck it I give up. OP Go learn Ruby. PHP is a pain in the ass.
[QUOTE=HTMLfreak;37164466]But i think i might try ruby cause i feel it might be a newer language[/quote]
ruby is older than php :~)
[quote]and could possible replace PHP soon[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't bet on it - PHP will (unfortunately) remain dominant for the foreseeable future
[QUOTE=johnkane46;37165858]I think you've a long way to go before you can say "Learnt HTML"
[url]http://htmlfreaksplayingground.allalla.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Gotta throw this out there: When I load the page, it loads. Then if I highlight the header and unhighlight it, it moves up.
[I]What the fuck?[/I]
[QUOTE=venn178;37166452]Gotta throw this out there: When I load the page, it loads. Then if I highlight the header and unhighlight it, it moves up.
[I]What the fuck?[/I][/QUOTE]
really? thats weird as hell. I don't seem to be getting that problem at all. and the overflow for the banner frame is disabled
[editline]10th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=johnkane46;37165858]I think you've a long way to go before you can say "Learnt HTML[/QUOTE]
Not really, first of all i didn't put much time nor effort into the site, i was just using it as a playing ground. second of all, HTML is just the base of a site. not much more can be done without using CSS. JS etc...
[QUOTE=HTMLfreak;37169536]
Not really, first of all i didn't put much time nor effort into the site, i was just using it as a playing ground. second of all, HTML is just the base of a site. not much more can be done without using CSS. JS etc...[/QUOTE]
For one, you're using framesets in your page which are an utterly deprecated feature and should never be used by anyone. Before you say you actually know HTML you should probably catch up on how people make pages in 2012, not keep making them as they used to be made in 1999.
Not many people actually use this a few days after i opened it, BUT if people do start coming in again, you're welcome to join the web dev chatroom on steam, maybe someone could lend you some helping tips/advice, I've been doing html/css based designs for over 6 years now and i still don't consider myself being fully educated on everything it has to offer, spend a bit more time.
Here's the link to the chat : [URL="steam://friends/joinchat/103582791433404630"]Open Chat[/URL]
Don't go with PHP as first language, I have been a supporter of PHP for newbies because of its very low learning curve, but there is simply to many pitfalls for rookies that could potential cause security issues (SQL Injection, file system access etc.)
Plus i must admit that the alternatives today is more beautiful and tends to have MUCH better ressources than PHP (Ever taken a look at some of that garbage code that the community posts on the documentation pages on PHP.net? Yuck!)
When you know a little more you can learn it pretty quick, and probably catch alot of the bad habbits being spoon fed through the PHP community.
I work with PHP full time professionally, cooperatively with other developers, as long as you make sound guidelines and keep them in the development it can be as decent as any other language, but every PHP developer seems to have invented their own version of the wheel and it tends to get messy pretty quick on larger scale projects.
Learn a programming language - PHP, ASP or similar.
- Database for storing content - MySQL, MSSQL, for example,
- Ajax and jQuery
Good luck with development!
Sincerely
- Vetle
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- fritzel
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