Seriously - Are these not the easiest classes to play?
(considering you are using vanilla loadout)
You do tons of damage really fast by aiming in the general direction of the enemy
You have loads of health and can rocket/sticky jump away to saftey if help permitts
Im not saying they are overpowered. Just that they are really easy to play, and a noob can pick them up and still do decent.
Soldier is easy to pick up, hard to master.
Can't say much for demo as I really never play one.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;20575432]Soldier is easy to pick up, hard to master.
Can't say much for demo as I really never play one.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much same goes for demo, just whole pushed a little bit more to the hard edge.
I was expecting something very late, like the WAR update comics.
All classes are easy to pick up, but hard to master.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20575582]All classes are easy to pick up, but hard to master.[/QUOTE]
I think the spy's the exception to this rule
Isn't the Sniper an easy class?
All you do is point and click, you don't have to do anything.
Isn't the Engie an easy class?
All you do is build crap and wait.
Isn't the Medic an easy class?
Just point and click, wait untill healed.
Isn't the Pyro an easy class?
W+M1?
Isn't the Heavy an easy class?
Just stand and shoot?
Isn't the spy a pro class?
Disguise as the enemy sap buildings stab enemies cap points get the intel win matches shit like that.
All classes are easy when they're played easy.
No, if you think the Demo and Soldier are easy classes you do not know a lot of about them. There are a lot of techniques and things you need to learn that seem like obvious at first. Same thing for others too. Even Heavies take skill.
If you just go around pointing and shooting people than good day to you sir.
Pyro isn't a noob class, flamethrower is a noob weapon. Good Pyro's earn their kills with the flare gun + axtinguisher combo.
Any retard can go demo and spam stickies/ go soldier and spam rockets in a 32 man dustbowl server and do well, in the same way the same idiot couldn't dominate if he had picked scout or sniper (rifle).
BUT, when you actually have good opponents in good (read 5CP and GP) maps, they become much harder to master and pin down.
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20575639]Pyro isn't a noob class, flamethrower is a noob weapon. Good Pyro's earn their kills with the flare gun + axtinguisher combo.[/QUOTE]
So by that logic, if I run in and suicide rush their medic and kill him, I'm a n00b, but if I try to flare him for a minute or two I'm a pro?
Good pyros get kills and live, whether it be with flare, shotty, melee or flamer.
[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;20575664]Any retard can go demo and spam stickies/ go soldier and spam rockets in a 32 man dustbowl server and do well, in the same way the same idiot couldn't dominate if he had picked scout or sniper (rifle).
BUT, when you actually have good opponents in good (read 5CP and GP) maps, they become much harder to master and pin down.
So by that logic, if I run in and suicide rush their medic and kill him, I'm a n00b, but if I try to flare him for a minute or two I'm a pro?
Good pyros get kills and live, whether it be with flare, shotty, melee or flamer.[/QUOTE]
A minute or two? If you set a medic on fire and hit him once with the axtinguisher he'll die.
Not to mention, the flamethrower takes no skill to use, flare gun actually requires precise aim.
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20576024]A minute or two? If you set a medic on fire and hit him once with the axtinguisher he'll die.
Not to mention, the flamethrower takes no skill to use, flare gun actually requires precise aim.[/QUOTE]
What about flare gun sniping pyros? I've been in games where a pyro will just try to sniper with flares. Try getting close for an axe kill on a blue sniper from the red battlements on 2Fort. Besides, if you can flare him and axe him a second later (no sane medic will run up to you whilst on fire) why not just roast the sick German bastard, blast him up and axe him in the FACE?
The flamethrower requires little to no skill (mostly when you meet another pyro, where movement and flame direction count), getting into position and planning does. A kill is a kill, and if I have to die to kill that medic with uber, I'll damn well go in and use my flamer.
[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;20576123]The flamethrower requires little to no skill (mostly when you meet another pyro, where movement and flame direction count), getting into position and planning does. A kill is a kill, and if I have to die to kill that medic with uber, I'll damn well go in and use [b]my flamer.[/b][/QUOTE]
But seriously, kills can be earned very easily with the flare gun... with enough skill. Skilled pyro's don't rely on the flamethrower for kills. A lot of them only use the flamethrower for the airblast.
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20576189]But seriously, kills can be earned very easily with the flare gun... with enough skill. Skilled pyro's don't rely on the flamethrower for kills. A lot of them only use the flamethrower for the airblast.[/QUOTE]
I think our definitons of skill are different.
To me, a skilled pyro will get kills and live, will deflect incoming ubers, will put out teammates and target high priority enemies such as medics and very good snipers by ambusing them. If all hope is lost, they will attempt to cause as much havoc as they can by spraying everyone with fire.
Now, I do all those things as a pyro, and it's not difficult. Most people agree pyro is easy, it's just about knowing what to do and doing it, as opposed to say scout, which, as well as that, requires good aim. Yes, with a flaregun I can set alight targets and generally irk people, but I can also kill and get out with greater efficiency with the flamer. If a pyro can kill with both tools, aren't they both equally useful?
Demomen, based off of playstyle, requires different skill sets. If you're an offensive demoman, you should really focus on predicting your opponents' movements, so that you can 'nade them in the head, direct hits do more damage than blast radius, and picking unseen spots for your stickies really makes them deadly.
If you're defensive, the game changes from out-gunning to out-smarting, a bit like spy, where you need to have your stickies in place [b]before[/b] the enemy arrives, in placements that allow for the greatest spread damage, so you can stop an entire enemy advance.
And if you're sword and board deemo, well... not much to say there, is there?
The only time I utilize the primary fire of the flamethrower is when I'm guarding a sentry against spies. Other than that, I only use the airblast.
Using the flamer doesn't mean your not skilled, however literally always spraying with the flamer and never using any other weapon, does. Just because someone uses an effective weapon doesn't make them a noob. That's like saying scouts who use the scattergun (or FaN for that matter) are noobs. Good pyros use all their weapons effectively and generally help the team.
On topic: I agree that soldiers do seem too easy to pick up and play effectively. I switched from a long run of playing mainly heavy, pyro, scout and demoman to playing soldier and instantly realised how much easier it was to play and play effectively.
I generally set on fire, airblast and shotgun for most enemies, axetinguisher for chargin' targe demomen and heavies, works pretty well, and I use the shotgun over flaregun to battle other pyros, if I'm going to die I just start flaming, so that I'll disrupt the enemy as much as I can before dying.
I wouldn't say the flamer is a noob weapon, if anyone relies exclusively on it however, then that may be stupid, but if they do rack up kills with it then I can't judge their way of playing.
Soldiers and demomen are easy to pick up though, getting really good at it takes time though, as others have said, if you're coming up against loads of good ones, just learn their counters and weaknesses.
A good player amalgamates all the tools in his possession into one working and efficient battle strategy.
For Example, i mix both bunny's and overseers tactics into the following:
A heavy is close but there is no wall around. I would set him on fire and airblast him away into beyond his killing range, i then proceed to rain flare mini-crits on his ass since hes so slow even if he does get away, he is damaged enough for him to either die of burns or to be finished off by my teammates.
I dont care where i end up in the point rankings as long as i help my team. For example, a sniper with 130 points is pointless if his team lost, yes he killed a lot of people, but did he REALLY help his team out by doing just that?
And by the way, using only the flare gun is like only using the butt of a rifle without realizing that the other end shoots bullets and can easily kill people
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20575639]Pyro isn't a noob class, flamethrower is a noob weapon. Good Pyro's earn their kills with the flare gun + axtinguisher combo.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, good pyros know how to ambush instead of fighting head on with their flamer. The flamethrower isn't a noob weapon, it's just the way they use it that counts.
I use flares a lot, but I use my flamethrower a lot for both AB and regular flames. I will use it to distract enemies. For example, I will wave flames around to obscure my head when a Sniper sees me, and when defending an area it will force attackers to retreat even without airblast. Sometimes when I am attacking someone it looks like I'm W+m1ing it but I'm doing it to force them to retreat, then when they run I switch to Shotgun/Flare.
Also I'm more of an ambush Pyro than a head on Pyro. I like to flame and disorient large groups at once. Flare gun just can't do that. But I do love the flare gun, I go into walkway to practice a lot. 3 flares will kill all but the Heavy through burn damage.
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[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20576189]But seriously, kills can be earned very easily with the flare gun... with enough skill. Skilled pyro's don't rely on the flamethrower for kills. A lot of them only use the flamethrower for the airblast.[/QUOTE]
Skilled Pyros don't rely on just the flare gun, either. Using an inferior weapon for a situation because you have "standards" is flawed thinking. By this logic, all Scouts should use their bats to kill people because it takes more skill to kill an enemy with it.
eyelander + stickie launcher = god tier
srsly i got 12 heads in one life in less than 1 minute
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;20587303]eyelander + stickie launcher = god tier
srsly i got 12 heads in one life in less than 1 minute[/QUOTE]
1. Use Targe and Eyelander
2. Get 4 Heads
3. Switch to Sticky Launcher
4. ???
5. PROFIT.
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20575639]Pyro isn't a noob class, flamethrower is a noob weapon. Good Pyro's earn their kills with the flare gun + axtinguisher combo.[/QUOTE]
you are a "pro" if you mix the weapons and utilize airblast
some techniques
If a soldier attacks you as a pyro
Airblast his rockets and try to kill him with flares
if scout
Try to keep him away using the flare gun, quite easy
if heavy
Stand on distance and use flare gun, if he's not revved up flame and axtinguish
Engineer
If he is not by his sentry flame, airblast axtinguish.
If he is by his sentry, dont try because you will get killed.
if pyro
W+M1 hope you survive
if spy
W+M1
if sniper
flaregun at distance, flame, airblast and axtinguish up close
if medic
Personally i think medics are the hardest targets as a pyro becuase they are fast, they can kill you while they heal themself from their burn.
if demoman
If he's using stickies and pipe bombs just airblast and flame, axtinguish is not advised because he will probably shoot bombs at you on close range and kill you both
if he's using targe + sword airblast him when he's charging, flame and axtnguish, on hit will probably kill him.
that's how you play "pro" pyro
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;20587365]you are a "pro" if you mix the weapons and utilize airblast
some techniques
If a soldier attacks you as a pyro
Airblast his rockets and try to kill him with flares
if scout
Try to keep him away using the flare gun, quite easy
if heavy
Stand on distance and use flare gun, if he's not revved up flame and axtinguish
Engineer
If he is not by his sentry flame, airblast axtinguish.
If he is by his sentry, dont try because you will get killed.
if pyro
[highlight]S+M1[/highlight] hope you survive
if spy
W+M1
if sniper
flaregun at distance, flame, airblast and axtinguish up close
if medic
Personally i think medics are the hardest targets as a pyro becuase they are fast, they can kill you while they heal themself from their burn.
if demoman
If he's using stickies and pipe bombs just airblast and flame, axtinguish is not advised because he will probably shoot bombs at you on close range and kill you both
if he's using targe + sword airblast him when he's charging, flame and axtnguish, on hit will probably kill him.
that's how you play "pro" pyro[/QUOTE]
If he chases you and you do this you'll win.
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[QUOTE=XXDarkmatterXX;20575394]Seriously - Are these not the easiest classes to play?
(considering you are using vanilla loadout)
You do tons of damage really fast by aiming in the general direction of the enemy
You have loads of health and can rocket/sticky jump away to saftey if help permitts
Im not saying they are overpowered. Just that they are really easy to play, and a noob can pick them up and still do decent.[/QUOTE]
Nah, Heavy's much easier to use. (Far harder to master :frown:)
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;20587365]
SPY
W+M1
[/QUOTE]
That is, until you get facestabbed.
Anyways, i find the shotgun more of a general use, the flare gun is very niche and does not accent the flamers short range-high damage strategy, and EVERYONE knows Shotty pyro beats Flare pyro one on one.
[QUOTE=cs_bunny;20575540]I was expecting something very late, like the WAR update comics.[/QUOTE]
I was expecting a sequel to Spy & Pyro :(
good pyro-->is credit to team.
bad pyro-->Is cretid to team?eez not possible
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;20592457]That is, until you get facestabbed.[/QUOTE]
Facestabs are when you run backwards.
You can never master being a spy, unless you play 25/7 your whole life.
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;20593569]You can never master being a spy, unless you play 25/7 your whole life.[/QUOTE]
True :golfclap:
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