Valve: Xbox Live Rules are a "Train Wreck" - Games

[url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103359-Valve-Xbox-Live-Rules-are-a-Train-Wreck]Source[/url] [quote]Gabe Newell of Valve says the studio mistakenly expected it would have more opportunities to update the Xbox 360 version of Team Fortress 2 after it was released because the rules for Xbox Live were "such a train wreck" that they'd have to be changed eventually. How you feel about Team Fortress 2 depends a lot of on your platform of choice. Owners of the PC version, wallowing in the mountainous piles of free stuff Valve has put out over the years, are generally pretty satisfied with their bang for the buck, while 360 players are more likely to feel a little bit hosed over being more or less abandoned. But speaking to PC Gamer, Newell, along with Erik Johnson and Doug Lombardi, said it's not entirely Valve's fault; the company knew Microsoft had strict rules about how games could be updated over Xbox Live but assumed that things would eventually change because it's such an obviously flawed system. "We thought that there would be something that would emerge, because we figured it was sort of untenable," Newell explained. "'Oh yeah, we understand that these are the rules now, but it's such a train wreck that something will have to change'." "The lack of updates on the 360 for TF2 is... a total failure," Johnson said. It's particularly troubling for Valve, he added, "Because it got all the way through to customers. It's like a bug. If you fix a bug before it ever ships, it's pretty cheap. If you ship it and then fix it, it's really expensive. Those ones are really bad." Somewhat ironically, Newell also praised the PlayStation 3, which not too terribly long ago he treated like something stuck to the bottom of his shoe, for picking up the ball Microsoft dropped. "We're really happy with the current situation with the PS3," he said. "We're solving it now in a way that is going to work for our customers, rather than assuming something is going to emerge later that will allow us to fix this." My, how things change, eh?[/quote] [img]http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/galleries/display/61/61334.jpg[/img]

They didn't really say HOW it was a train wreck. 21 Disagrees?! Re-read that and tell me where it says EXACTLY how it was a train-wreck.

Microsoft has customers. Valve has fans. This is why.

Could of sworn I heard about this somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Conro101;24715508]They didn't really say HOW it was a train wreck.[/QUOTE] Probably has to do with MS charging money and limiting the amount of content you can pack with that.

Because M$ is a greedy company and Valve isn't plain and simple

It's a typical marketing strategy; choose one side of the argument and slander off the other. Why do you think they so quickly changed their tune?

So... are they gonna change the rules and give the 360 users piles of free stuff and bugfixes or can i continue to be a smug bastard, playing my weekly-updated, bug-free, hat-filled PC version?

[QUOTE=latin_geek;24715574]So... are they gonna change the rules and give the 360 users piles of free stuff and bugfixes or can i continue to be a smug bastard?[/QUOTE]Microsoft and free won't go together.

[QUOTE=NanoSquid;24715526]Microsoft has customers. Valve has fans. This is why.[/QUOTE] I love the way you put this. Respect.

My...my heart sank a little :(

Why does Valve even bother with consoles. Stick to the Mac and the PC. Anything else is just making them pull the release dates out. If it hadn't been for the console we would have Portal 2 by christmas, maybe sooner.

[QUOTE=GastricTank;24715618]I love the way you put this. Respect.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=235677&dateline=1281282878[/IMG]:respek:[IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=209835&dateline=1283729284[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Yoces;24715769]If it hadn't been for the console we would have Portal 2 by christmas, maybe sooner.[/QUOTE] How do you know that?

[QUOTE=NanoSquid;24715526]Microsoft has customers. Valve has fans. This is why.[/QUOTE] I thought you said Microsoft hates customers at first, which oddly enough also works in this context.

[QUOTE=Yoces;24715769]If it hadn't been for the console we would have Portal 2 by christmas, maybe sooner.[/QUOTE] trust me, console versions are only a tiny fraction of what causes Valve to take forever. the extra money they rake in is worth it.

[QUOTE=Dr Bob;24715860]How do you know that?[/QUOTE] Less coding to do = less time spent working. [editline]11:19PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chilean;24715887]trust me, console versions are only a tiny fraction of what causes Valve to take forever. the extra money they rake in is worth it.[/QUOTE] Well, [i]I suppose[/i]. But time IS time...

[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;24715568]Because M$ is a greedy company and Valve isn't plain and simple[/QUOTE] They make awesome operatin gsystems tho', although a bit expensive (I mean, seriously 100+ dollars for win7) [editline]09:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr Bob;24715860]How do you know that?[/QUOTE] Because the PS3 uses a PowerPC CPU which is different from your standard CPU so they have to reprogram the entire source engine to make it work on the PS3.

I still like Microsoft a lot. They have gone from the big evil company of the 90's to a big benevolent company you can feel good about buying products from.

[QUOTE=Sparkwire;24716550]I still like Microsoft a lot. They have gone from the big evil company of the 90's to a big benevolent company you can feel good about buying products from.[/QUOTE] No, microsoft gets eviler every day.

might i remind all the fancy "M$" people of this fact their biggest product, windows, could be shut down at any time due to illegal serial keys but microsoft refuses to do so, in fact, they even lightened it up after Vista chill out dudes

[QUOTE=thisispain;24716922]their biggest product, windows, could be shut down at any time due to illegal serial keys but microsoft refuses to do so, in fact, they even lightened it up after Vista[/QUOTE] enlighten me

Hearing people call them "Micro$hit" is probably the most childish and annoying thing ever.

[QUOTE=Sparkwire;24716550]I still like Microsoft a lot. They have gone from the big evil company of the 90's to a big benevolent company you can feel good about buying products from.[/QUOTE] Not really.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;24717212]Hearing people call them "Micro$hit" is probably the most childish and annoying thing ever.[/QUOTE] Macinto$h

They need to stop wanting so much money and focus more on how to improve connections with their community AND the developers. They need to let the developers choose how much they want their DLC to be sold for.

Paid DLC are one of the killers of multiplayer gaming, imho

[QUOTE=NeoDement;24717285]Macinto$h[/QUOTE] $ony. oh wait this is a Mac vs. Windows argument isn't it

[QUOTE=devon_wargod;24717794]$ony.[/QUOTE] Nintendo. Can't really say anything bad about them. They have good prices and have a lot of quality games featuring popular franchises.

meanwhile at [del]The legion of doom headquarters[/del] Microsoft. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10565588/meawhileatms.png[/IMG]