[quote=GreenMarine, Valve Employee] Funny you should ask. We just decided today that speaking about how we address this problem publicly might help word get around.
We nuke scammers from orbit. We deactivate their accounts. This means they lose access to all steam products.
We are investigating less harsh methods of punishment. As of today we may begin nuking the violator's inventory completely on the first offense and then closing their account on a successive offense. We are also investigating the possibility of simply disabling trade for violators or other methods of escalating punishment.
We are pretty good at determining whether actual fraud took place and also some types of not-really-fraud (like complaining about a bad trade) are ignored.
This doesn't really address the guys who scam from an account bought just for scamming, but it should discourage casual scamming.
Victims have their items restored if real fraud is determined.[/quote]
so stop trying to hock your shitty renamed "Community Backburners" mmkay?
Wow that's dumb its not my problem that the guy with the hat pressed the box and the big TRADE button wtf?
I have feeling people are going to start reporting people once they find out they got ripped off in a hat trade.
I think Valve should let scammers be, If you fucking put your hat up to trade for someone to 'paint' or 'rename'. You're a moron.
[QUOTE=Minigun;25263423]Wow that's dumb its not my problem that the guy with the hat pressed the box and the big TRADE button wtf?[/QUOTE]
They'll probably check the chats before nuking you off steam
Oh yeah btw no one wanted their hat back so far.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;25263425]Your a moron.[/QUOTE]
My a moron!
[QUOTE=Minigun;25263423]Wow that's dumb its not my problem that the guy with the hat pressed the box and the big TRADE button wtf?[/QUOTE]
It is if you intentionally misled him for the purpose of scamming him.
I don't like to scam, but if the guy were stupid enough to trade it, Valve don't need to take such a stupid move.
[QUOTE=Minigun;25263423]Wow that's dumb its not my problem that the guy with the hat pressed the box and the big TRADE button wtf?[/QUOTE]
You make me sick.
As much as it is bad that people are getting scammed, the game provides them an incredibly easy way to see what they're getting and if they're not making use of it, tough luck.
What I think is a better idea, is in the trading screen, do the pop-up help thing pointing to what different elements are, [b]and then,[/b] offer a few brief pointers on what you should look out for.
[QUOTE=Rong;25263451]You make me sick.[/QUOTE]
I think that applies to you too(scout)
[QUOTE=Garbor 0.1;25263450]I don't like to scam, but if the guy were stupid enough to trade it, Valve don't need to take such a stupid move.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, You have to go through two confirms for your trade.
Wow, that's a bit drastic for something happening in a game.
"You scammed someone for a free, virtual hat? You lose a +$1000 account!"
[QUOTE=Rong;25263451]You make me sick.[/QUOTE]
Okay, Scout-Stalker.
[QUOTE=Minigun;25263423]Wow that's dumb its not my problem that the guy with the hat pressed the box and the big TRADE button wtf?[/QUOTE]
Taking advantage of someone can still be your fault.
It might be considered just a bad trade though, something they won't address.
It seems to me that the trades Valve will consider scams, are the trades where people got less than what they agreed to.
[QUOTE=Tools;25263463]Wow, that's a bit drastic for something happening in a game.
"You scammed someone for a free, virtual hat? You lose a +$1000 account!"[/QUOTE]
More like
"You scammed someone, for a free virtual hat, who had to go through two trade confirms, because you promised to paint his hat? You loose ALL your games!"
There's a difference between someone taking your hat to paint and not giving it back and someone taking your hat and giving you a scrap metal for it.
The former is obvious scamming and should be punished.
The latter is ignorance, and shouldn't be punished- you need to know what you're doing before you start trading.
[QUOTE=Simski;25263469]Taking advantage of someone can still be your fault.
It might be considered just a bad trade though, something they won't address.
It seems to me that the trades Valve will consider scams, are the trades where people got less than what they agreed to.[/QUOTE]
They better, I traded a bills hat for 4 hats, I don't want to be getting banned for someones stupidity.
[QUOTE=Simski;25263469]Taking advantage of someone can still be your fault.
It might be considered just a bad trade though, something they won't address.
It seems to me that the trades Valve will consider scams, are the trades where people got less than what they agreed to.[/QUOTE]
Valve could just give the weapon/hat/whatever back to the guy instead of taking such a stupid move like deleting item and blocking the account.
I don't see a problem with this.
don't be an asshole.
[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;25263477]There's a difference between someone taking your hat to paint and not giving it back and someone taking your hat and giving you a scrap metal for it.
The former is obvious scamming and should be punished.[/QUOTE]
It's a fault on both part, For the scammer being a dick, and the person being stupid enough to believe someone is going to randomly take your hat and paint it.
yeah this is great. the only problem is that that it could end up like xbox live where you can get all your buddies to report a guy at once and he gets his account instantly disabled.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;25263490]It's a fault on both part, For the scammer being a dick, and the person being stupid enough to believe someone is going to randomly take your hat and paint it.[/QUOTE]
Even because there is a little thing called "common sense"...
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;25263490]It's a fault on both part, For the scammer being a dick, and the person being stupid enough to believe someone is going to randomly take your hat and paint it.[/QUOTE]
No it's not a young person's fault for their perspective of the world not being the same of grown up people that nobody can be trusted
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;25263499]yeah this is great. the only problem is that that it could end up like xbox live where you can get all your buddies to report a guy at once and he gets his account instantly disabled.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can see this heavily abused. Really, Disabling your steam account? That's bullshit.
Stop Selling Fez for 6 Hats,you will Be ok!
Seriously Guys New Hats Worth 6+ Hats!are You kidding Me?
I never take advantage of someone's stupidity for my own benefit. You should too.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;25263483]They better, I traded a bills hat for 4 hats, I don't want to be getting banned for someones stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and obviously whether getting Bill's hat for 4 hats is a bad trade is only a matter of opinion.
I made a guy very happy by trading my Bill's hat with him, and I don't think he much regrets getting that hat.
Your trading partners obviously liked the Bill's hat enough that he considered it worth sacrificing 4 hats to get, and that is not a scam.
At worst it is a bad trade, but you never offered him more than what you gave him.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;25263490]It's a fault on both part, For the scammer being a dick, and the person being stupid enough to believe someone is going to randomly take your hat and paint it.[/QUOTE]
True, true.
But, well, I could care less what Valve does to scammers. I'm not dumb enough to entrust anything more than a scrap metal with a person, and I'm not so desperate for hats I'd scam someone, so Valve really can do as they please.
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;25263499]yeah this is great. the only problem is that that it could end up like xbox live where you can get all your buddies to report a guy at once and he gets his account instantly disabled.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed this bit;
[quote]We are pretty good at determining whether actual fraud took place and also some types of not-really-fraud (like complaining about a bad trade) are ignored.[/quote]
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