Courtesy of Reddit for pointing me to [url=http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1838760]this SPUF post[/url], GreenMarine comments on the -25% damage change to a lot of the melee weapons and some other things. Bolded parts for emphasis.
[quote="-GreenMarine-"][b]The -25% damage changes to the Demoman and Engineer weapons have been backed out.[/b] If you restart your client and your servers you will receive the changes. [b]The Powerjack is retaining its adjustment for now[/b], but we will play with it again on beta.
A new beta update will be pushed next week that will [b]introduce several new weapons for the soldier and sniper[/b]. [b]Other new weapons and weapon balance changes[/b] will follow on beta [b]in successive weeks[/b].
We're thinking about ways to encourage use of beta, such as [b]time spent on beta resulting in item drops you can use in the normal game[/b] so that you don't feel like your time is wasted. If you have ideas about this, post them in the beta forum or email us.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Street_Wolf;29227108]Courtesy of Reddit for pointing me to [url=http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1838760]this SPUF post[/url], GreenMarine comments on the -25% damage change to a lot of the melee weapons and some other things. Bolded parts for emphasis.[/QUOTE]
If you see it on Reddit, The odds are Facepunch has known about it for 2 days...
I don't know, reddit is pretty quick sometimes
[QUOTE=EBS-Gamer;29227274]I don't know, reddit is pretty quick sometimes[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought too. Oh well. :geno:
Pretty sure its already gone.
It was removed yesterday dude.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;29227431]It was removed yesterday dude.[/QUOTE]
K, thanks dude.
Gunslinger/Demo weapons still don't get random crits. I reckon the gunslinger should though.
Also that useless 3 hit combo is gone.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;29228112]Also that useless 3 hit combo is gone.[/QUOTE]
Gunslinger strategy changed forever.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;29228484]Gunslinger strategy changed forever.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the combo, even though it didn't work half the time, was good for taking down heavies.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;29228112]Also that useless 3 hit combo is gone.[/QUOTE]
It's not...? I remember using it after they removed the Random Crits.
[editline]17th April 2011[/editline]
The 3-hit combo still works.
[QUOTE=DatWut?;29228849]It's not...? I remember using it after they removed the Random Crits.
[editline]17th April 2011[/editline]
The 3-hit combo still works.[/QUOTE]
Weird, doesn't say it on the description.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;29230112]Weird, doesn't say it on the description.[/QUOTE]
Never did i guess
I swear it did, unless I'm retarded.
It didn't, and because you called it useless, the latter may be true too.
I've only ever seen it happen twice. Once for me and once on some random server.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;29230930]I've only ever seen it happen twice. Once for me and once on some random server.[/QUOTE]
Random server = Randomizer server. It was a Scout with the Milkman set equipped, but randomly got Darwin's Danger Shield, Dolokoh's bar, and the Gunslinger. 250 Health Scout with full crit combos. Scary shit.
[QUOTE=Humblerbee;29231023]Random server = Randomizer server. It was a Scout with the Milkman set equipped, but randomly got Darwin's Danger Shield, Dolokoh's bar, and the Gunslinger. 250 Health Scout with full crit combos. Scary shit.[/QUOTE]
Wait...Two secondaries? And how would you use the chocolate bar?
[QUOTE=CharlesMan;29231588]Wait...Two secondaries? And how would you use the chocolate bar?[/QUOTE]
You eat it. v:v:v
Non heavy classes can't use lunchboxes that belong to heavy. Same with Bonk! Atomic Punch and it's brother. I CALL BULLSHIT, SIR.
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;29231961]Non heavy classes can't use lunchboxes that belong to heavy. Same with Bonk! Atomic Punch and it's brother. I CALL BULLSHIT, SIR.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the Scout was a Spy in disguise. As a Heavy. So he could use the lunchbox items. :c00lbert:
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;29231961]Non heavy classes can't use lunchboxes that belong to heavy. Same with Bonk! Atomic Punch and it's brother. I CALL BULLSHIT, SIR.[/QUOTE]
THAT'S what happens when I get an unusable secondary!
Confusion averted!
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;29231961]Non heavy classes can't use lunchboxes that belong to heavy. Same with Bonk! Atomic Punch and it's brother. I CALL BULLSHIT, SIR.[/QUOTE]
Actually in some versions of Randomizer you can. It just switches into third person for the duration of the consume taunt and then pops back into first when the effect hits.
Huh. If that's true, they must've made some big changes since I last played.
Well at least this doesn't affect combat Engineers in any way.
Though I'd prefer 3-hit-combo plus higher normal damage, rather than having random crits and -25% dmg
but it's totally fine either way.
We're all forgetting something important.
The Powerjack doesn't have its damage bonus back yet.
[QUOTE=Don Cleche;29240727]We're all forgetting something important.
The Powerjack doesn't have its damage bonus back yet.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, because the -25% damage actually meant they just removed it's damage bonus, I've been ok with that change. Before, aside from having no random crits, the Powerjack was a straight upgrade of the default Axe. Now there's a little more balance between because they do the same damage, one just has the ability to alter your health more.
[QUOTE=Street_Wolf;29240941]Honestly, because the -25% damage actually meant they just removed it's damage bonus, I've been ok with that change. Before, aside from having no random crits, the Powerjack was a straight upgrade of the default Axe. Now there's a little more balance between because they do the same damage, one just has the ability to alter your health more.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the problem is that the Pyro's melee slot isn't balanced around his Fire Axe anymore, so if this is balanced with his default Axe, that means it's sub par compared to everything else.
[QUOTE=Street_Wolf;29240941]Honestly, because the -25% damage actually meant they just removed it's damage bonus, I've been ok with that change. Before, aside from having no random crits, the Powerjack was a straight upgrade of the default Axe. Now there's a little more balance between because they do the same damage, one just has the ability to alter your health more.[/QUOTE]
Truth
People are whining because Powerjack used to have +25% dmg over the original axe, PLUS it heals on kill. Needless to say, it was powerful, and only weapon that would compete against it is the Homewrecker, but that's situational too.
Non-skilled pyros comes to mind, unfortunately
And on a side-note, I don't care what buffs/nerfs pyros get, I don't even play the class.
the powerjack would have been ridiculously overpowered in the hands of any class that wasn't the pyro, but because they had to give up the axtinguisher for it it's basically balanced for them.
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