Currently, sv_pure defaults to 1 with a standard whitelist that blocks everything except models, player skins, and sprays.
This is completely useless and serves only to turn legitimate custom content into scratchy messes and wireframes.
First, we need to consider the role of sv_pure. Primarily, it's meant to prevent material hacks. That's all well and good, but there's a problem:
[B]The default sv_pure 1 whitelist does not prevent wallhacking.[/B]
If I had a skin that allowed me to see playermodels through walls, sv_pure 1's default whitelist would not block it. The only 'hack' I've ever seen anybody express concern over that would actually be blocked is louder Spy decloaks. However, I feel that this is an unwarranted concern; VALVe's already made the decloak noise fairly loud, and if somebody [I]really[/I] needs to cheat to hear it they probably suck and won't be a threat even with the 'cheat.'
Now, okay, I admit that you could also conclude that sv_pure 2 should be the default, since that [I]would[/I] stop wallhacking; however, I would lean towards being more open with custom content, especially considering the recent contribution page.
In summary:
-The default sv_pure behavior is stupid and dumb.
-sv_pure 0 is cool and should be the default.
--sv_pure 2 would also be reasonable, but it's less cool than sv_pure 0.
I agree, because I hate going on my favorite servers and not having any models.
it's 0 by default, i don't see what your problem is with it unless you're playing with useless skins in which case just go find a 0 server...
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702381]it's 0 by default, i don't see what your problem is with it unless you're playing with useless skins in which case just go find a 0 server...[/QUOTE]
Maybe I want to use my useless skins?
well then find a server with it to 0, it's 0 by default, not 1 so they really aren't hard to find
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702381]it's 0 by default, i don't see what your problem is with it unless you're playing with useless skins in which case just go find a 0 server...[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that it's only 0 for listen servers.
The problem with "just go find a 0 server" is that sv_pure 0 servers are extremely difficult to find. There's no tag for them in the server browser, most servers don't bother telling you what their setting is unless you join and type sv_pure in console, and if you join one that isn't 0 you have to close the game or start a local server and use mat_reloadallmaterials so stuff doesn't fuck up.
The problem with sv_pure 1 is that the default whitelist is absolute shit.
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702397]well then find a server with it to 0, it's 0 by default, not 1 so they really aren't hard to find[/QUOTE]
Have you ever actually [i]tried[/i] to find a 0 server? It's a lot harder than you seem to think.
I have one good 0 server.
24/7 toyfort elite.
How is that good?
I have FP, and UKSC Arena. One for regular gameplay, one for well, arena. It's pretty sweet.
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Unless I play at 3am, then I'm screwed.
Oh forgot about facepunch servers.
I lost the ip to some of them tho, can you give me the ips?
Actually I lost it too :v:
I'll let you know when I know though, one of my friends goes on there a lot and I tend to just right click, join game.
[QUOTE=NotPigeon;19702421]I'm pretty sure that it's only 0 for listen servers.[/QUOTE]
it's 0 by default, even on servers
Jimbomcb are you Jimbomcb on youtube?
If so I fucking love your videos.
Kiss me!
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702497]it's 0 by default, even on servers[/QUOTE]
Many server hosting companies (such as gameservers.com) will set it to sv_pure 1 by default for you, so that's most likely what's happening here...
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702497]it's 0 by default, even on servers[/QUOTE]
That's weird. 90% of the servers I visit have sv_pure 1 and the shitty whitelist.
[QUOTE=NotPigeon;19702520]That's weird. 90% of the servers I visit have sv_pure 1 and the shitty whitelist.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if a server has sv_pure 1 on they have bad admins, who are way too lazy to fucking permaban people abusing sv_pure 0.
[QUOTE=Inacio;19702537]Amen to this thread, sir.[/QUOTE]
Goddamnit son, this ain't church.
:downs:
[QUOTE=Suttles;19702534]I agree, if a server has sv_pure 1 on they have bad admins, who are way too lazy to fucking permaban people abusing sv_pure 0.[/QUOTE]
I don't even mind sv_pure 1 servers if they've got a proper whitelist, but most use the default.
If you're using the standard VALVe whitelist, you might as well just have sv_pure 0 for all the good it does.
[QUOTE=Suttles;19702481]Oh forgot about facepunch servers.
I lost the ip to some of them tho, can you give me the ips?[/QUOTE]
FP TF2 UK
217.146.86.129:27017
FP CS:S ZE UK
217.146.86.127:27017
FP CS:S Jailbreak
213.114.125.146:27015
FP CS:S Minigame
213.114.125.146:27016
Agreed.
Actually, sv_pure 2 still doesn't work. It still breaks custom models just like sv_pure 1.
Honestly I think the proper solution for this would be for Valve to actually fix sv_pure's behavior to work properly. If the whitelist is set to block a model, then the model should revert back to its original model instead of becoming a wireframe/invisible. That really is my only beef with sv_pure. I wouldn't mind having my skins revert back to normal if they at least did that...
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19702381]in which case just go find a 0 server...[/QUOTE]
Finding an active sv_pure 0 server is actually very difficult, and even though I keep all sv_pure 0 servers I find on my favorites list, there are rarely many of them active. It's frustrating.
i went on a server and i checked the whitelist. there was one entry, it was the faggot halo.
I laughed then went off to find a better server.
But to be fair most servers that have admins with triple digit IQs disable sv_pure
sv_pure is the cancer that is killing TF2.
If Valve will stupidly keep sv_pure, at least let custom dingalings bypass it.
[QUOTE=Suttles;19702509]Jimbomcb are you Jimbomcb on youtube?
If so I fucking love your videos.
Kiss me![/QUOTE]
of course i am...
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19709292]of course i am...[/QUOTE]
I keep reading your name as JimcoJib for some reason.
Regardless of that, the default whitelist should be fixed and regularly updated with valve approved skins.
Stuff like the four slot grenade launcher and Scout/Engie uber fix.
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;19709292]of course i am...[/QUOTE]
You are so dreamy.
I hate it because I have custom hit decals, and when sv_pure 1 or 2 hits, it messes up and uses the blood decals, causing the person to look like he suffered a first degree burn on every part of his body.
[QUOTE=Suttles;19713487]You are so dreamy.[/QUOTE]
Kiss Him
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