Well I was having a chat with my homie-g Wman today. And then he brought up Grand Theft Auto and game violence and then eventually: Kids. Kids playing violent video games. And that set me off. Here's what I said:
1- Parents shouldn't even LET their kids play games they aren't old enough for.
2- Any SMART kid would know that games are fake and they wouldn't get violence from the games. And if the kid isn't smart enough to know that, the parents deprive them and they're potential suicide victims.
3- Most "violence from video games" is actually caused by parents not caring enough about their child and the child building up anger because of the deprivation.
4- Some parents say that video games teach kids stuff they shouldn't know. But kids have a right to know whatever the hell they want. Kids may be young, and not able to take care of themselves as adults yet, but they are still people and deserve to know whatever other people know. And MOST of the parents who say that try to hide that stuff from their kids, which is an equivalent to lying. And for all we know, what they "learn" may be vital in life. And the parents won't tell them, so who will? Another example of deprivation. And it's not like video games have a dog spinning around a rainbow saying "KILL PEOPLE AND SHOOT GUNS AT YOUR MOM AND STAB YOUR SISTER WITH THAT STEAK KNIFE AND FLY PLANES INTO TRADE CENTERS"
And I know, this topic is overrated and abused beyond belief but I just wanted to share what [b]I[/b] think
:3 "Homie-g" :D you hit it right-on. grats
Games have nothing to do with it and it's all just bad parenting. And I don't see what the big deal is about 13 year olds playing M-rated games, they've already been "exposed" to all that and most likely more.
I think all the bullshit with violence from video games is just so the parents have another shit reason for depriving there child of whatever they needed, and driving them to the point where they will do violent things to get there point across. They just want to have something to point the finger at.
Well done for repeating an argument that's been stated a thousand times.
I just remembered that there was a show, it proved how video game violence does not equal real world violence.
They let a 9 year old kid who loved video games fire an assault rifle.
One single shot and he was crying later off camera.
As far as he knew.
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Goddamnit people quit posting so much when my posts don't go through and I need to copy paste.
I remember playing SimCopter when I was 6 and deliberately crashing into cars to set them on fire, then put them out with the bucket of water.
I'm slightly less sadistic now.
You shouldn't become a parent. Ever.
To the people rating me dumb - I'm reffering to the OP. And you can see why. If you can't, you probably shouldn't have kids too.
violence from video-games is not really "parents not caring" it's basically what happens when you're mentally unstable, perhaps even suicidal, as you withdrawl into a fantasy formed from video-games.
[QUOTE=CLP Colossal;17977479]And it's not like video games have a dog spinning around a rainbow saying "KILL PEOPLE AND SHOOT GUNS AT YOUR MOM AND STAB YOUR SISTER WITH THAT STEAK KNIFE AND FLY PLANES INTO TRADE CENTERS"[/QUOTE]
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Completely saw it coming.
Xd !!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=xpod1;17977591]I just remembered that there was a show, it proved how video game violence does not equal real world violence.
They let a 9 year old kid who loved video games fire an assault rifle.
One single shot and he was crying later off camera.
As far as he knew.
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Goddamnit people quit posting so much when my posts don't go through and I need to copy paste.[/QUOTE]
It was Penn & Teller's Bullshit. Awesome show.
Parents shouldn't let children play games they aren't old enough for- yes, [B]BUT[/B], what is "old enough" differs per kid.
some 12-year olds can perfectly handle games like GTA- fine, let them play it.
some 12-year olds just shouldn't play GTA yet, or at all, ever.
OK lets try again, since cock sucking firefox randomly went pack a page for no reason on my first attempt.
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1- Parents shouldn't even LET their kids play games they aren't old enough for.
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Fair enough, parents should look for and understand exactly what ratings mean. However, this is more of a fault of pop culture than it is that of parents. Take television for example. Almost every popular series has violence in it in some form or another. Overall though, parents do need to look for ratings.
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2- Any SMART kid would know that games are fake and they wouldn't get violence from the games. And if the kid isn't smart enough to know that, the parents deprive them and they're potential suicide victims.
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This is completely wrong. Intelligence does not factor into what someone is capable of imagining. I take it you know nothing about child psycological development, but not every childly develops perfectly. I personally have met some very intelligent children (siblings, actually) whose perception of reality had never fully matured. They took a specific medicine or something to make them a bit more lucid, but to them, certain aspects of games were 'real', and they were very happy.
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3- Most "violence from video games" is actually caused by parents not caring enough about their child and the child building up anger because of the deprivation.
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This point makes no sense whatsoever. Let a kid have anything they really enjoy for a while, and then take it away and they will get upset. After a while they become less dependent on it, and they no longer need it as much.
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4- Some parents say that video games teach kids stuff they shouldn't know. But kids have a right to know whatever the hell they want. Kids may be young, and not able to take care of themselves as adults yet, but they are still people and deserve to know whatever other people know. And MOST of the parents who say that try to hide that stuff from their kids, which is an equivalent to lying. And for all we know, what they "learn" may be vital in life.
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Umm... where to begin. Well first I'll ask what exactly you would learn from video games that your parents could not teach you.
Here are my guesses; communication, teamwork, cooperation, perfecting fine motor skills and hand eye coordination, and ummm that's it. Maybe a bit about story construction and critical thinking as well.
Every single one of those skills can be taught even better then a parent or other human being, with the exception of the fine motor skills and coordination. I Mean, what? I pretty much learned how to load and fire a gun from games, but unless I plan on joining the police or the military, or is there is a zombie outbreak this skill isn't very practical outside of being a hobby.
In fact, I think games would degrade some of these skills, mainly communication and cooperation. And no, kids do [I]not[/I] have the right to 'learn whatever the hell they want', because at the point where they are still "kids" their decision making process and impulse control are just beginning to develop.
That is why schools exist; to teach kids about the world they live in through face to face interaction. As they grow older, they build upon this knowledge and are able to make better informed decisions. This is the ideal, anyway.
In my opinion the whole 'Video games cause violence' argument is bullshit. In the cases of school shootings; those guys had far more serious problems than playing video games. Problems that were overlooked or ignored by the people responsible for them.
Now if asked if violent video games desensitize kids/games in general to violence, I would say yes- to an extent. When playing a violent video game that requires a lot of killing, blood guts and gore the player is removed from the actual act, and feels no remorse for what he has done. In this way, violent games desensitize gamers/kids no more then violent movies or TV shows.
It is merely a form of escapist entertainment.
I see a paradox here.
When parents don't control their kids, you baaw.
When government tries to control parents or kids, you baaw.
How do you force parents to control their kids without people baawing?
[QUOTE=johanz;17978853]I see a paradox here.
When parents don't control their kids, you baaw.
When government tries to control parents or kids, you baaw.
How do you force parents to control their kids without people baawing?[/QUOTE]
By having parents baww at their kids?
I don't see how playing a video game where you can shoot someone will make you go out and actually DO IT. No child is that stupid as to run out, take his dads handgun, and shoot the hot dog vendor. Most kids that actually do are already having some sort of trouble at home and if that's the case they sure as hell shouldn't be playing those kinda games to influence them more. I'd let my kid play GTA though as long as he understood it was a video game and just that. It all depends on the type of child your dealing with.
[QUOTE=Alyx Zark;17978941]I don't see how playing a video game where you can shoot someone will make you go out and actually DO IT. No child is that stupid as to run out, take his dads handgun, and shoot the hot dog vendor. Most kids that actually do are already having some sort of trouble at home and if that's the case they sure as hell shouldn't be playing those kinda games to influence them more. I'd let my kid play GTA though as long as he understood it was a video game and just that. It all depends on the type of child your dealing with.[/QUOTE]
Usally, the type of child is how they where raised.
Honestly, I think that unless there's something wrong with the child in the first place, or if their parent is doing it as some kind of sick and cruel entertainment for themselves, children have no trouble deciphering what is real and what isn't, as well as what to do and what not to do. If they can't figure out those two things, then, in my eyes at least, they either aren't right in the head pr have been brought up wrong by their parents, and if they DO genuinely have something wrong with them, then you should recognize it and keep them the hell away from games or get them help, which apparently many parents have trouble doing for one reason or another.
Of course, I know nothing about child psychology, so all of this is based off of the people I knew when I was growing up, what I see today, and what I experience myself.
[QUOTE=Soren;17978964]Usally, the type of child is how they where raised.[/QUOTE]
Well there are certainly more factors at play but yeah, their environment is key. If the kid has a stable home and a decent parent/parents than I say go ahead.
I played Diablo 2 when I was 5, and I think it's turned out pretty well.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile;17977552]Games have nothing to do with it and it's all just bad parenting. And I don't see what the big deal is about 13 year olds playing M-rated games, they've already been "exposed" to all that and most likely more.[/QUOTE]
I remember playing GTA 3 when I was about 12 and having a whale of a time blowing up cars and not really knowing what was going on. After all that I haven't gone shooting up a school or anything.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;17987181]I remember playing GTA 3 when I was about 12 and having a whale of a time blowing up cars and not really knowing what was going on. After all that I haven't gone shooting up a school or anything.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for letting us know, we couldn't guess that without your and thousands of other comments.
I've been playing violent video games since I was about 3, I am yet to murder or assault anyone.
I played Silent Hill with my sister when I was some age before elementary school. I feel satisfaction every time I kill a bug, but that's normal right?
[QUOTE=xpod1;17977591]I just remembered that there was a show, it proved how video game violence does not equal real world violence.
They let a 9 year old kid who loved video games fire an assault rifle.
One single shot and he was crying later off camera.
As far as he knew.
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Goddamnit people quit posting so much when my posts don't go through and I need to copy paste.[/QUOTE]
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Was it this?
Games taught me how to beat people up in real life and that's why I'm hard.
Well, i am nearly a kid (Not so much more.) I am a teenager, im 13 years old.
I have been a gamer since i was 1,5 years old, it started with a lame skiing game on a computer with Win 3.11 or something. But when i was 5-7 years old, i played Hitman, funny game. I developed weird strategies, i pawned that game, then 2 years or so later, i tested my big brothers hard ball arsenal, i found it cool. I knew that it was just small plastic balls flying out of a plastic tube. I played more and more violent games, then suddenly my mom went apeshit and even forbid me playing Jak II. Just because she heard of theese myths. I am not a dangerous killer, even though i know how to load a gun, i wouldnt even kill that sucker over in school who always gave me a hard time. If i ever got to kill, then i would only do it if fucking nazi's marched into my country, or if thoose guys from Alpha Centauri came and rayfucked us.
I play games up to +16 PEGI rating now, because of i find +18 games dumb and buggy or unrealistic, no matter how "cool" they sound. I tryed Alone in the dark 5 or something, it was a shitpile of bugs and crappy gameplay. And so was Postal 2 and all thoose crap games. So, +18 games are mostly buggy shitpiles filled with unrealistic violence (Cutting the head of a dude with a pencil for example).
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